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illegals who use other people's social security number in CA can't get arrested
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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:40 PM Author: slate pit
The Ninth Circuit agrees with other circuits that crimes involving fraud are CIMTs. It also agrees that a crime is inherently fraudulent if it involves a knowingly false representation to gain something of value. However, the Ninth Circuit does not see the act of using a false social security number to gain employment as fraudulent even when it involves deceit. The other circuits see moral turpitude in any criminal conduct that involves dishonesty or deceit regardless of the objectives of the fraud. So even if you’re desperate to find work, consider the consequences before you use another person’s social security number. If you reside within the jurisdiction of the Ninth Circuit, you may take comfort in its favorable ruling but you should also be concerned whether the Ninth Circuit can maintain its minority position amid the growing consensus among other circuits |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:02 PM Author: Startled crackhouse halford ninth circuit is an absolute joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115529) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM Author: emerald kink-friendly wagecucks pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115579) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM Author: cocky dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115693) |
Date: April 19th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: slate pit That follows a ruling last year by the U.S. Supreme Court that a Mexican man who gave a false SSN to get a job at an Illinois steel plant could not be convicted under federal identity theft laws because he did not knowingly use another person's identifying number. The ruling overturned an opinion by a federal appeals court in St. Louis -- and contradicted earlier findings by circuit courts in the Southeast, upper Midwest and the Gulf states.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/courts-using-anothers-ssn-not-crime-f6C10406382 |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:01 PM Author: Alcoholic Market Goal In Life too lazy to read, was it essentially because he gave some fake number but didn't know that number was attributed to another specific person? if so, that's pretty fucked up, as there's a high likelihood that the number would be in use and therefore he should have known he was fucking someone over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115520) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:03 PM Author: slate pit basically an illegal can't be convicted because:
1. courts cannot prove that the illegal KNEW his SSN was fake
2. illegal is using SSN for work, not for an illegal scheme |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:05 PM Author: glittery aquamarine nibblets hunting ground isn't WORKING an ILLEGAL SCHEME?
do the illegal's tax withholdings offset the non-illegal SSN's tax liability? if so this isn't a fraud I'd necessarily complain about. |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM Author: slate pit no. illegals pay the same tax rate non-illegals pay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115584) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM Author: glittery aquamarine nibblets hunting ground so illegal jose gets job under joe american's SSN
the restaurant withholds taxes and remits to IRS under joe american's SSN, files a W-2 with illegal jose's income and tax payments
can't joe american just thank illegal jose for the payments and tell the IRS he doesn't know shit about illegal jose's income? illegal jose now owes the IRS. |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:13 PM Author: slate pit yes basically (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115642) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:17 PM Author: glittery aquamarine nibblets hunting ground then why complain about this arrangement? I'd be thrilled if some illegal was donating to my tax payments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115669) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM Author: slate pit see link below. Most illegals use SSN of children and dead people. Also, they can fuck up your credit (i think) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115688) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM Author: glittery aquamarine nibblets hunting ground like sign up for rent a center and shit? jfc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115694) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM Author: slate pit An ICE official stated that the social security numbers when checked against the system database found that employees were using the numbers of people who were dead, of children or just different individuals. http://www.wilneroreilly.com/News/False-Social-Security-Numbers-Spark-Immigration-Raids.shtml |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:08 PM Author: dun bat-shit-crazy genital piercing famous landscape painting This is literally the logic of a retard. 120 LSAT range reasoning so naturally the whole 9th circuit concurs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115606) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM Author: slate pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115619) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM Author: Umber faggot firefighter ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115667) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:59 PM Author: slate pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115497) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM Author: cocky dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115706) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM Author: Walnut dog poop generalized bond just deport them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115700) |
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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM Author: green sweet tailpipe Trump needs to break up that circuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115705) |