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illegals who use other people's social security number in CA can't get arrested

http://asianjournal.com/immigration/immigration-consequenc...
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
ninth circuit is an absolute joke
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Blue Lettuce
  04/19/17
That follows a ruling last year by the U.S. Supreme Court th...
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
too lazy to read, was it essentially because he gave some fa...
flatulent harsh scourge upon the earth native
  04/19/17
basically an illegal can't be convicted because: 1. court...
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
isn't WORKING an ILLEGAL SCHEME? do the illegal's tax wit...
fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference
  04/19/17
no. illegals pay the same tax rate non-illegals pay
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
so illegal jose gets job under joe american's SSN the res...
fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference
  04/19/17
yes basically
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
then why complain about this arrangement? I'd be thrilled if...
fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference
  04/19/17
see link below. Most illegals use SSN of children and dead p...
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
like sign up for rent a center and shit? jfc.
fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference
  04/19/17
An ICE official stated that the social security numbers when...
Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
  04/19/17
This is literally the logic of a retard. 120 LSAT range reas...
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Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
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ljl
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Irradiated boiling water sanctuary
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OUT OUT OUT!!!
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Blue Lettuce
  04/19/17
just deport them
charcoal greedy wagecucks
  04/19/17
Trump needs to break up that circuit.
Salmon round eye school
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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:40 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

http://asianjournal.com/immigration/immigration-consequences-of-using-a-false-social-security-number/

The Ninth Circuit agrees with other circuits that crimes involving fraud are CIMTs. It also agrees that a crime is inherently fraudulent if it involves a knowingly false representation to gain something of value. However, the Ninth Circuit does not see the act of using a false social security number to gain employment as fraudulent even when it involves deceit. The other circuits see moral turpitude in any criminal conduct that involves dishonesty or deceit regardless of the objectives of the fraud.

So even if you’re desperate to find work, consider the consequences before you use another person’s social security number. If you reside within the jurisdiction of the Ninth Circuit, you may take comfort in its favorable ruling but you should also be concerned whether the Ninth Circuit can maintain its minority position amid the growing consensus among other circuits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115278)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: Razzle generalized bond knife

ninth circuit is an absolute joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115529)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: bearded cuckold personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115579)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: Blue Lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115693)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

That follows a ruling last year by the U.S. Supreme Court that a Mexican man who gave a false SSN to get a job at an Illinois steel plant could not be convicted under federal identity theft laws because he did not knowingly use another person's identifying number. The ruling overturned an opinion by a federal appeals court in St. Louis -- and contradicted earlier findings by circuit courts in the Southeast, upper Midwest and the Gulf states.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/courts-using-anothers-ssn-not-crime-f6C10406382

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115294)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:01 PM
Author: flatulent harsh scourge upon the earth native

too lazy to read, was it essentially because he gave some fake number but didn't know that number was attributed to another specific person? if so, that's pretty fucked up, as there's a high likelihood that the number would be in use and therefore he should have known he was fucking someone over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115520)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

basically an illegal can't be convicted because:

1. courts cannot prove that the illegal KNEW his SSN was fake

2. illegal is using SSN for work, not for an illegal scheme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115548)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference

isn't WORKING an ILLEGAL SCHEME?

do the illegal's tax withholdings offset the non-illegal SSN's tax liability? if so this isn't a fraud I'd necessarily complain about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115566)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

no. illegals pay the same tax rate non-illegals pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115584)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference

so illegal jose gets job under joe american's SSN

the restaurant withholds taxes and remits to IRS under joe american's SSN, files a W-2 with illegal jose's income and tax payments

can't joe american just thank illegal jose for the payments and tell the IRS he doesn't know shit about illegal jose's income? illegal jose now owes the IRS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115626)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:13 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

yes basically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115642)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference

then why complain about this arrangement? I'd be thrilled if some illegal was donating to my tax payments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115669)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

see link below. Most illegals use SSN of children and dead people. Also, they can fuck up your credit (i think)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115688)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: fishy bat-shit-crazy athletic conference

like sign up for rent a center and shit? jfc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115694)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary

An ICE official stated that the social security numbers when checked against the system database found that employees were using the numbers of people who were dead, of children or just different individuals.

http://www.wilneroreilly.com/News/False-Social-Security-Numbers-Spark-Immigration-Raids.shtml

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115665)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:08 PM
Author: Violet legal warrant

This is literally the logic of a retard. 120 LSAT range reasoning so naturally the whole 9th circuit concurs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115606)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115619)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: Onyx Rehab

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115667)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:59 PM
Author: Irradiated boiling water sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115497)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:18 PM
Author: Twisted Fuchsia Plaza Famous Landscape Painting

OUT OUT OUT!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115681)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: Blue Lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115706)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: charcoal greedy wagecucks

just deport them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115700)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: Salmon round eye school

Trump needs to break up that circuit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115705)