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illegals who use other people's social security number in CA can't get arrested

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exciting hot pit generalized bond
  04/19/17
ninth circuit is an absolute joke
Self-centered macaca persian
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wild boyish theater wrinkle
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That follows a ruling last year by the U.S. Supreme Court th...
exciting hot pit generalized bond
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too lazy to read, was it essentially because he gave some fa...
Frozen Cracking Lay
  04/19/17
basically an illegal can't be convicted because: 1. court...
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isn't WORKING an ILLEGAL SCHEME? do the illegal's tax wit...
Racy Menage
  04/19/17
no. illegals pay the same tax rate non-illegals pay
exciting hot pit generalized bond
  04/19/17
so illegal jose gets job under joe american's SSN the res...
Racy Menage
  04/19/17
yes basically
exciting hot pit generalized bond
  04/19/17
then why complain about this arrangement? I'd be thrilled if...
Racy Menage
  04/19/17
see link below. Most illegals use SSN of children and dead p...
exciting hot pit generalized bond
  04/19/17
like sign up for rent a center and shit? jfc.
Racy Menage
  04/19/17
An ICE official stated that the social security numbers when...
exciting hot pit generalized bond
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This is literally the logic of a retard. 120 LSAT range reas...
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ljl
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OUT OUT OUT!!!
Blue slap-happy step-uncle's house
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wild boyish theater wrinkle
  04/19/17
just deport them
big infuriating cruise ship
  04/19/17
Trump needs to break up that circuit.
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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:40 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

http://asianjournal.com/immigration/immigration-consequences-of-using-a-false-social-security-number/

The Ninth Circuit agrees with other circuits that crimes involving fraud are CIMTs. It also agrees that a crime is inherently fraudulent if it involves a knowingly false representation to gain something of value. However, the Ninth Circuit does not see the act of using a false social security number to gain employment as fraudulent even when it involves deceit. The other circuits see moral turpitude in any criminal conduct that involves dishonesty or deceit regardless of the objectives of the fraud.

So even if you’re desperate to find work, consider the consequences before you use another person’s social security number. If you reside within the jurisdiction of the Ninth Circuit, you may take comfort in its favorable ruling but you should also be concerned whether the Ninth Circuit can maintain its minority position amid the growing consensus among other circuits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115278)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: Self-centered macaca persian

ninth circuit is an absolute joke

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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: contagious insane place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115579)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: wild boyish theater wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115693)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

That follows a ruling last year by the U.S. Supreme Court that a Mexican man who gave a false SSN to get a job at an Illinois steel plant could not be convicted under federal identity theft laws because he did not knowingly use another person's identifying number. The ruling overturned an opinion by a federal appeals court in St. Louis -- and contradicted earlier findings by circuit courts in the Southeast, upper Midwest and the Gulf states.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/courts-using-anothers-ssn-not-crime-f6C10406382

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115294)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:01 PM
Author: Frozen Cracking Lay

too lazy to read, was it essentially because he gave some fake number but didn't know that number was attributed to another specific person? if so, that's pretty fucked up, as there's a high likelihood that the number would be in use and therefore he should have known he was fucking someone over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115520)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

basically an illegal can't be convicted because:

1. courts cannot prove that the illegal KNEW his SSN was fake

2. illegal is using SSN for work, not for an illegal scheme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115548)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: Racy Menage

isn't WORKING an ILLEGAL SCHEME?

do the illegal's tax withholdings offset the non-illegal SSN's tax liability? if so this isn't a fraud I'd necessarily complain about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115566)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

no. illegals pay the same tax rate non-illegals pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115584)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: Racy Menage

so illegal jose gets job under joe american's SSN

the restaurant withholds taxes and remits to IRS under joe american's SSN, files a W-2 with illegal jose's income and tax payments

can't joe american just thank illegal jose for the payments and tell the IRS he doesn't know shit about illegal jose's income? illegal jose now owes the IRS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115626)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:13 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

yes basically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115642)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: Racy Menage

then why complain about this arrangement? I'd be thrilled if some illegal was donating to my tax payments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115669)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

see link below. Most illegals use SSN of children and dead people. Also, they can fuck up your credit (i think)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115688)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:19 PM
Author: Racy Menage

like sign up for rent a center and shit? jfc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115694)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond

An ICE official stated that the social security numbers when checked against the system database found that employees were using the numbers of people who were dead, of children or just different individuals.

http://www.wilneroreilly.com/News/False-Social-Security-Numbers-Spark-Immigration-Raids.shtml

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115665)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:08 PM
Author: Laughsome institution degenerate

This is literally the logic of a retard. 120 LSAT range reasoning so naturally the whole 9th circuit concurs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115606)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115619)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: Gold Internet-worthy Chapel

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115667)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 10:59 PM
Author: exciting hot pit generalized bond



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:18 PM
Author: Blue slap-happy step-uncle's house

OUT OUT OUT!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115681)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: wild boyish theater wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115706)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: big infuriating cruise ship

just deport them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115700)



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Date: April 19th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: geriatric athletic conference forum

Trump needs to break up that circuit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3589704&forum_id=2#33115705)