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Definitive BIGLAW hours scale
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:13 AM Author: irradiated base 2500+ = unnecessary, will burn out, you will hate life
2400 = The firm will love you, all else being good you are on track to make partner
2300 = Could go either way, but your high hours indicate people like working with you and you will likely make partner
2200 = if people like you, you are still set
2100 = you are doing fine if you can maintain these hours consistently, might even make of counsel one day... partner if you excel at something like winning cases
2000 = you will get bonus, you are doing respectable hours, and you will maintain your job
1900 = no-one will ever fire you for hours like this, especially if they are consistently above 1900 pure billables
1800 = getting close to crappy hours here... you probably won't get fired unless you suck, but you should get your hours up... you shouldn't be consistently billing this low
1700 = danger zone... this is noticeably low... 2 years of this and you will not last
1600 = epic low territory... this coupled with poor reviews and/or another bad hours year and you will be asked to leave
1500 = very very bad, if this is a one off thing fine, but if this is part of a sub-2000 pattern you will be asked to leave
below 1500 = start looking for a new job |
Date: April 21st, 2017 1:14 AM Author: arousing pit lolling hard at 2300-2400 = you will probably make partner. tyft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124485) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:16 AM Author: irradiated base at most firms this is true. they are going to make a senior associate consistently billing 2400 income partner easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124495) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:17 AM Author: arousing pit ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124497) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:19 AM Author: irradiated base bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124509) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:17 AM Author: abnormal school cafeteria not the case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124498) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:19 AM Author: irradiated base bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124507) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:19 AM Author: arousing pit lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124511) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:20 AM Author: irradiated base (not in BIGLAW) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124519) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:21 AM Author: arousing pit bro first of all, most prestigious biglaw firms don't even have "income partners" and also LOL if u really think 2400 = partner. MAYBE that's a good shot at non-partner track counsel.
I spent 6 years at a prestigious biglaw firm (i.e. one without "income partners"). you sound like a first year. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:27 AM Author: irradiated base Most BIGLAW firms have "income partners"
try again law student. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:29 AM Author: arousing pit (non-v10 and most of the v50 associate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124560) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:29 AM Author: electric magical range love of her life (failed at BIGLAW) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124562) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:30 AM Author: arousing pit succeeded, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124576) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:31 AM Author: electric magical range love of her life then why are you gone? also kind of doubtful that someone who spent so little time in biglaw would know the answers to any of this, you weren't even a senior level associate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124582) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:32 AM Author: arousing pit this boring flame but ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124584) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:33 AM Author: multi-colored box office skinny woman I don't think this topic was about v10 firms specifically, just making partner at generic v100 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124590) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:34 AM Author: arousing pit lol well in that case I take it all back. just bill 2400, you'll maek partner everywhere you apply! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124593) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:35 AM Author: irradiated base fuck you're a piece of shit, no wonder you got the talk after year 5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124598) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:36 AM Author: arousing pit ur right bro, pls don't be mean 2 me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124604) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:17 AM Author: abnormal school cafeteria too hard to generalize. some firms are so shittily organized that some associates can go years barely billing while other places will cut a dude who billed 2400 for years on end for a low half year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124496) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:19 AM Author: irradiated base also bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124516) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:21 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate Brother, there are three ways to make a partner:
1) Inherit a book from a partner on his way toward retirement that takes a shine to you (50% of folks).
2) Build a book of your own (15%)
3) Be incredibly good at a niche area of law that is important to the firm (35%)
4) Hitting "billable" requirements (0%) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:28 AM Author: trip mint selfie rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124554) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:28 AM Author: irradiated base again, bullshit
there are many partners that don't have their own book.
there are many partners who have $20 mil+ books and need other partners to actually do the work. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:32 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate Friend, you aren't a "partner" unless you're equity. You make equity the three ways I laid out above and "billing a lot of hours" isn't a reason anyone has given to make someone partner ever -- it's strictly used as a disqualifier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124585) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:33 AM Author: arousing pit I think we've been taken in by boring flame brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124588) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:35 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate We must persist and ensure the record reflects the reality lest the generous influx of new aspiring law students be led astray. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124599) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:35 AM Author: irradiated base (literally mentally ill person) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124603) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:35 AM Author: irradiated base the flame is between your two alts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124601) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate I have had one account and one name change in the 12 years I've been here friend. I'm personally known to various old timers and have helped a few of them professionally.
You need to relax. This isn't the sort of debate one needs to get emotional about. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:35 AM Author: irradiated base the fuck is this shit flame between you and your pumo alt?
yes, you are a "partner" if you are a "service partner" that is why the title is "partner" which is what this thread is about, making "partner."
given your lack of reading comprehension skills you are obviously not even in law at all. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:40 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate Do you sign the partnership agreement and buy into the partnership when you're made a non-equity partner? This isn't hard friend. You are either a member of the partnership or you aren't. I'm sad you think the title is the determining factor here, because it means you've accepted the boomer fraudlies.
For the record, I was biglaw for a few years. I managed to build a book of business of over 500k a year before I left to run startups. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:44 AM Author: Walnut degenerate No offense but your analysis is kind of dumb and way off, or you are being hypercritical and obtuse for no reason. The post just said that "at X hours you will make partner." It did not say "at X hours you will make equity partner." At most firms you are an associate for some amount of time and then you are up for "partner" - which really means you are up for "non-equity partner." Few people at most firms jump directly from associate to equity partner, except maybe a few very high up there vault firms. So the context made it obvious that this was referring to income partners, the normal course of an associate.
But yes, to make equity partner your hours matter far less than business potential. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:52 AM Author: Flickering vivacious den doctorate Everything short of equity is window dressing. Non-equity as a tier didn't even exist ~15 years ago. It's just a way of extending the runway to be an actual partner. The fact that so few "partners" become equity partners just underscores that fact.
The reasoning in the OP might get you to "partner" but not partnership, precisely because equity partners don't view hours drones as anything other than a profit center. They don't want to split the pie with anyone other than the three categories I laid out above. I don't see the point in sticking it out in law if you aren't going for equity and the advice to bill yourself in the ground doesn't help you move toward that goal.
But yes, I accept that my perspective on the matter doesn't reflect how people view things these days. I left law almost a decade ago when a lot of this stuff was just getting established. It's depressing as fuck that it has been swallowed hook line and sinker by folks though. |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:29 AM Author: curious halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124569) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 1:37 AM Author: Walnut degenerate both correct here --> you can make partner with consistent high hours and good reviews, but to make equity partner you need a book of business (at least $1 million). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3590881&forum_id=2#33124611) |