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I grew up culturally prole-ish with two parents who didn't tiger mom me
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:17 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask and i aced exams and classes and avoided drugs/gangs/vices. i played video games and was generally a good kid. my parents never looked at my report cards and didn't take me to any resume-building activities. they both worked and i saw them only after 6:00 pm throughout elementary and high school. never used a tutor. went to a good public school and HYS law school.
ime the main factor in my development was my personality and intelligence. i was not inclined to do what my peers did and did not care about my social status. so i was fine being a nerd and doing my own thing.
as a result, i'm skeptical of lib emphasis on parenting and income and yada yada re: inequality. does it have some merit? maybe, at extremes. but for the most part i think encouraging introverted personalities and lack of concern with social status is going to be more productive for developing academic success. |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: cyan fanboi hunting ground same. did not attend hys, but professionally and financially, can compete head to head with any.
that being said, emotionally, i find it harder to connect with people and i've been accused of (and know it to be true to a certain extent) that i lack empathy for those who don't do well.
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:50 PM Author: unholy trailer park main people Same... re: empathy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33429003) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 2:07 PM Author: Orchid sticky hall pistol same
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:19 PM Author: out-of-control appetizing hairy legs stain jealous. this sounds like the ideal upbringing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258794) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:20 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask what was yours like? how did you turn out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258797) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:56 PM Author: out-of-control appetizing hairy legs stain i grew up extremely self-aware and well-behaved, but with horribly controlling parents. my father had a vicious temper; there was tons of yelling; definitely borderline personality disorder; had drinking and gambling problems; was mean to kids and my mother. my mother was extremely catholic, instilled a deep sense of shame and guilt, and constantly spied on her kids -- there was no sense of freedom from interference. it's not a great recipe for a psychologically healthy upbringing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259036) |
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Date: September 17th, 2017 8:12 PM Author: Harsh doobsian indian lodge It is 180 brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34231798) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:20 PM Author: Dull Irate Hominid outlier. next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258799) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:22 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask what's outlier-ish about my outcome? i'm not saying you're wrong.
is it that most kids aren't as intelligent or don't have as much self-control? |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:25 PM Author: beady-eyed white school cafeteria factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258834) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:01 PM Author: electric jade theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259077) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: aquamarine dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281192) |
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Date: September 17th, 2017 8:09 PM Author: deep sexy piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34231783) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:21 PM Author: Wild twinkling roommate good job but that's less possible now with UG striving (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258805) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:22 PM Author: Rose state This post makes me question your claims to intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258813) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:27 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask describe? are you saying i'm wrong to generalize? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258848) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:26 PM Author: Startled peach jew heaven everyone who encourages introversion as a way of dealing with modern society can go suck a dick
i'd much rather be a participant in an active organic community that doesn't make shitlib bullshit its central organizing principle, and even if that's not possible i think people promoting this shit don't appreciate the downsides of withdrawing from society |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:46 PM Author: cream dilemma dragon this poast is pretty schizophrenic. how exactly does one snap their fingers and become part of an "organic community" of one sort or another, particularly given geographic realities for ppl from certain parts of the cuntry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258958) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:55 PM Author: Rough-skinned elastic band There's a Mormon temple in most major cities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259024) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:03 PM Author: cream dilemma dragon lul just do convert to mormonism at 30+ and join the LA/SF/NY/DC chapter of the mormon church. sounds organic enuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259089) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 8:57 PM Author: vengeful cuckold rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33260151) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Maniacal Home gas yourself normie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281318) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:39 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33258906) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:50 PM Author: plum spectacular mental disorder double fault same here, except in went to a T14.
edit: and shitty public schools |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 5:56 PM Author: milky zombie-like set I don't know hoss. Seems pretty typical, you had both parents around which is pretty significant. Both worked, so you had a model of hard work and discipline to go off of. Inner city nigs have no such thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259031) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:01 PM Author: cream dilemma dragon there is nothing typical about growing up culturally proleish and ending up at HYS law. theoretically anyone can do it with LSAT and an good GPA from any old shitschool, but in practice people like that are very rare at HYS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259075) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:17 PM Author: milky zombie-like set if you grew up in a single parent household in the inner city ... you'd be the unique fractal snowflake you purport to be. But, it seems like you were a typical latchkey kid who was fortunate enough to have both parents around. A stable home-life can be prole, but it seems like you were and are culturally middle class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259208) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:21 PM Author: cream dilemma dragon im not even OP, just confirming that white proles (i assume this guy is white b/c we generally dont use prole to describe minorities) are extremely rare at HYS law, much rarer than i thought theyd be. that genuine ghetto dwellers would be even rarer is irrelevant. i'm also contradicting OP to the extent that he's acting like this case is at all normal and that if you just slide n let do your kid will prob fall ass backward into HYS or whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259239) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:29 PM Author: milky zombie-like set it really depends on if the parents are legit prole or not, I'd say no based on what you just said about proles being extremely rare at HYS. Growing up with two working parents in it of it self is not prole however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259291) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:55 PM Author: unholy trailer park main people My interpretation of the OP is that it's possible, not normal. You don't get into HYS without hardcore striving at some point in your life. He did what was necessary and it worked out... sort of. The fact that he'll likely be a lawyer for the rest of his life is enough punishment for excelling in life.
I really do like hearing these stories... particularly the ones that aren't AA dependent. |
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Date: September 16th, 2017 2:19 PM Author: histrionic confused deer antler Real proles (like, MC or LMC with uneducated parents) are rare but pretty MC/UMC normal people with educated parents who congratulated them on their grades but didn't tiger mom them are not that rare at least at H law. HUG is a different story because there's so much more soft factor BS in the admission game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34224202) |
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Date: September 17th, 2017 8:10 PM Author: deep sexy piazza not flame, you don't come across as particularly intelligent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34231789) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: Beta Ivory Bawdyhouse Their DNA is the major problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281185) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Sinister french chef 180 My path is exactly the same except I smoked a lot of weed/drank in hs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259266) |
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Date: May 8th, 2017 7:35 PM Author: Arousing sepia ratface My path exactly. Genes determine like 80% of our outcomes imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33259618) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:27 PM Author: Bright mind-boggling lay scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281116) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:28 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate You're aggressively playing down how much of a role your parents had. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281134) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:31 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask describe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281156) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate -You had two parents
-They provided you with housing
-Neither was disabled, mentally ill, etc.
-Neither was addicted to drugs
-You got to see both of them every day |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask ok, what % of kids don't have those things?
also, why is 2 parents better than 1, assuming all else equal? if you're saying all else isn't equal because of the parent # issue, then why cite it as a separate factor? |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate Was in the process of editing/extending my poast before I saw yours.
Anyway, are you fucking retarded? It's pretty self-evident. Having two parents is better because each parent has to do half the amount of work to raise kids while providing them with double the amount of resources. Also, you don't have to worry about strangers coming through the house to fuck mom/dad and being alone because your one parent had to do an extra shift or whatever to keep the heat on.
How the fuck did you get into HYS? |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:48 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask decent gpa and high lsat.
i don't really think my background is rare...nerdy, introverted proles are littered in "elite" schools and professions.
animal-like desire for social status and popularity among peers is what does a lot of teens in. it's a trait that should be snuffed out. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate idk man its all just a bunch of random shit floating around and it bumps into each other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281268) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces "animal-like desire for social status and popularity among peers is what does a lot of teens in."
It's also what motivates a lot of people to achieve status. I'd say that a lot of finance bros are motivated by something similar. It makes them douchebags but it doesn't make them meth addicts or gangbangers. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces I'm guessing that the OP was at least middle class, by income standards if not by cultural standards as well.
Also, some of the most successful and hard working kids I know were first-gen college graduates born to two loving, hard-working blue collar parents who threw all their resources at their smart kid to enable him or her to succeed, even if they didn't expect the kid to do anything but go to the flagship state school. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281296) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask i qualified for reduced fee meals in elementary, but my parents were definitely middle class or upper middle class income-wise by high school. we lived prole-ish, though (coupons, no meals out, no vacations, recycling for $$, etc.). that why i say i'm culturally prole. i never claimed my parents were poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281300) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces "we lived prole-ish, though (coupons, no meals out, no vacations, recycling for $$, etc.)."
That's frugal living and many old money couples live like this. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 3:14 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate >old money couples live like this
wut |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 3:16 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces WASPs are cheap fuckers, old people are cheap fuckers, people who have had their wealth for generations know how to take care of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33282522) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 3:28 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate I can see not eating out and not going on vacation but I seriously doubt the coupon clipping (except for olds) and the recycling for money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33282640) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 3:47 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces Yeah the recycling for money is the only odd duck in that group.
Olds love the shit out of their coupons and young people who have frugal habits just look for deals in different places, like buying designer clothes via sample sales or secondhand through websites like Poshmark, or milk the heck out of credit card signup bonuses like Chase Sapphire to pay for flights with points. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: up-to-no-good blathering station karate yeah thats normal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33283104) |
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Date: September 17th, 2017 8:12 PM Author: deep sexy piazza "why is 2 parents better than 1, assuming all else equal?"
I was fully duped by this flame until I read that sentence. Good job. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: obsidian abusive pit feces So you were gifted with a very unique set of internal circumstances that does not apply to the vast majority of teens, especially those in your situation.
You also seemed to grow up in a two-parent household. Many "proles" pass on hard-work tendencies to their kids. You can learn work ethic and respect for authority from two blue-collar parents who stayed together and stayed employed. You didn't grow up the son of a single pothead mom and her revolving door of johns. Your parents probably didn't encourage you to be popular or place any other sorts of expectations on you - they let you be you.
You also probably had resources at your school to help gifted kids navigate college applications, and it probably wasn't weird for kids to go to college.
I'm guessing you grew up more middle class than legit prole, too. |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: diverse lodge pocket flask how so? what circumstances can't be taught and encouraged in teens? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281197) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: Shimmering Swashbuckling Depressive go back to china (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33428889) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: Beta Ivory Bawdyhouse It's about IQ. You were high IQ. That's like 75% of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281193) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: titillating sooty son of senegal codepig I had a very very similar situation. My parents often did tell me to study though and encouraged me to do ECs but there was no pressure or expectation that I needed to go to anything better than local state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281226) |
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Date: May 11th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Maniacal Home I grew up in poverty with a hard-boozing bipolar tiger mom and now I'm a TTT success story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33281334) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Bright mind-boggling lay scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33428836) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: Shimmering Swashbuckling Depressive "resume building" wasn't actually a thing back then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#33428884) |
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Date: May 30th, 2017 2:01 PM Author: stirring resort legend libs can't accept that personal success in America is 100% a result of personal effort and ambition (unless we're talking about extremes, like you're literally retarded).
Unsuccessful people are/were lazy and deserve their lot in life. |
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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Bright mind-boggling lay scourge upon the earth OP is still correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34223786) |
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Date: September 17th, 2017 8:12 PM Author: vivacious corner brethren Lib emphasis is on income and con emphasis is on parenting. Parenting (more accurately, lack thereof) has a YUGE negative impact on blacks. The vast majority of them are raised by single moms who have no idea what they're doing. This is much worse than your parents, who were basically just laissez faire about things. If you were raised by your mom and she was smoking crack and fucking random dudes every time you came home, you would not have wound up successful Libs discount all of this and claim that poverty is what keeps inner city blacks down. They are incorrect. Culture is very important. |
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Date: October 27th, 2017 6:14 PM Author: Bright mind-boggling lay scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#34544554) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: racy chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#35725379) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: beady-eyed white school cafeteria factory reset button Everyone should read Unequal Childhoods by Annette Lareau. It pretty much lays out exactly how class (both economic and cultural) determines where children end up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#35725422) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Bright mind-boggling lay scourge upon the earth does it account for IQ though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#35725498) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Free-loading Coral Candlestick Maker Life outcomes are majority genetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3608346&forum_id=2#35726146) |