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Bros, what can you expect from lyfe after 35 if you didnt form babby?

I really dont want babby, but I want my lyfe to continue to ...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
I expect it'll be complete leisure but extremely unfulfillin...
Flushed Arousing Gunner
  05/14/17
i dont plan on having kids and i hope i can travel/nature/fi...
bat shit crazy adulterous feces
  05/14/17
retire at 40
impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal
  05/14/17
You think "retiring" is so cool. So what, you're a...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
Travel, video games, outdoor shit
impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal
  05/14/17
Alone or with other 40 year old retirees?
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
My spouse, aka other 40 year old retirees Just find someo...
impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal
  05/14/17
Work is torture. Ending the torture has value.
fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse
  06/18/18
i dont think ill ever retire. maybe take some job i enjoy li...
bat shit crazy adulterous feces
  05/14/17
"maybe take some job i enjoy" Good fucking luck...
fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse
  06/18/18
just have kids when you're 50?
Beta boiling water genital piercing
  05/14/17
But I dont want babby. Not now, not at 50. Never. Babby is a...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
180
Henna Well-lubricated Private Investor
  07/10/17
...
razzmatazz forum prole
  06/17/18
no kids, no rules
Bistre Idiotic Faggotry Twinkling Uncleanness
  05/14/17
just be a miserable striving DINK who sets up your 50s and 6...
Sooty Nursing Home
  05/14/17
I would like to be a writer and be famous. If not, get rich ...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
I hope to fucking retire from Dentistry. Otherwise, it's all...
lilac son of senegal
  05/14/17
*poasting
curious turdskin
  07/10/17
that was covered in "prostitutes"
Henna Well-lubricated Private Investor
  07/10/17
RIP
Bright Exhilarant Tank
  06/17/18
Honestly I can't imagine a life where I don't have a wife or...
Flushed Arousing Gunner
  05/14/17
I am the opposite. I'd kill self if I had a family. I grew u...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
I respect people that know not to pass on toxic epigentic me...
magenta zombie-like stead karate
  05/14/17
...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
Reread this and realized how 180 it was
magenta zombie-like stead karate
  07/10/17
...
magenta zombie-like stead karate
  06/18/18
Is it acceptable to start a PhD in your 40's? What things co...
Startled razzle piazza
  05/14/17
Death
appetizing ceo
  05/14/17
2 chicks at the same time
bull headed gaping
  05/14/17
...
razzmatazz forum prole
  07/10/17
would say Lyle is a pretty good poaster regardless of his ag...
Mauve Halford Corn Cake
  05/14/17
Acceptance on this bort.
Histrionic Foreskin
  05/15/17
pet hoarder/hobbist/traveler/casanova/#brunchlife
Coral striped hyena
  05/15/17
descent into being a pathetic old man
glittery ratface
  05/15/17
let's see... poast and lose all hoap.
Stimulating plaza dopamine
  07/10/17
DINK is the only credited lifestyle by 40-45 I want to be...
house-broken stage ape
  07/10/17
you know what the "D" stands for right
ivory area
  07/10/17
I'm married u ape
house-broken stage ape
  07/10/17
wtf is a crotchfruit
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/18/18
What can you expect from life before 35? It's all the same s...
Godawful international law enforcement agency skinny woman
  07/10/17
im going to object to this partly, and agree in some ways, t...
Buff flatulent chapel organic girlfriend
  06/18/18
is this a twins alt / sub-personality of twins?
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/18/18
lol, no. i am just being serious for once. i have been serio...
Buff flatulent chapel organic girlfriend
  06/18/18
a rollercoaster of fun
Cerise tantric stag film toaster
  06/17/18
Family and coworkers will assume you’re gay or shooting blan...
Insanely creepy turquoise locale doctorate
  06/17/18
I would like to form baby. But I feel hesitant to bring a ki...
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/17/18
all your ancestors punted.
Cerise tantric stag film toaster
  06/17/18
they didn't really punt. Most of them fucked without birth c...
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/17/18
this has to be the pussiest take on the anti-natalist angle ...
Primrose swashbuckling blood rage home
  06/17/18
Filling the void of meaning in one's life seems like a bad r...
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/17/18
do any other non-human life forms have to come up with abstr...
Primrose swashbuckling blood rage home
  06/17/18
Weird poast Why is it an "imperative"? We know...
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/17/18
And I'm not an anti-natalist
Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert
  06/17/18
35 might be fine, 55 would be depressing as fuck
supple khaki elastic band sound barrier
  06/17/18
Meh.
Frozen Cyan Garrison Voyeur
  06/17/18
Work is hell. Children require more work, extending the hell...
fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse
  06/18/18
find 25 yo girl, form babby
Puce indirect expression
  06/18/18


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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

I really dont want babby, but I want my lyfe to continue to be exciting all through my 30's, 40's and beyond. Living in a society that idolizes youth makes me depressed. I still have a lot to offer, what do you suggest?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305326)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:01 PM
Author: Flushed Arousing Gunner

I expect it'll be complete leisure but extremely unfulfilling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305333)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:01 PM
Author: bat shit crazy adulterous feces

i dont plan on having kids and i hope i can travel/nature/fitness/meet and fuck women at that age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305337)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:16 PM
Author: impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal

retire at 40

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305479)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:17 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

You think "retiring" is so cool. So what, you're a 40 year old who does what? Eats and sleeps? Srsly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305490)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:17 PM
Author: impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal

Travel, video games, outdoor shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305492)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:19 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

Alone or with other 40 year old retirees?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305507)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:22 PM
Author: impressive very tactful headpube sneaky criminal

My spouse, aka other 40 year old retirees

Just find someone who shares the same ideals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305528)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:05 AM
Author: fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse

Work is torture. Ending the torture has value.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263856)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:31 PM
Author: bat shit crazy adulterous feces

i dont think ill ever retire. maybe take some job i enjoy like vet assistant, work at a ball park, waiter at a nice place, something like that just to cover my monthly bills.

my true dilemma is that im working a job i hate in a city i hate as well for 75k. i will probably inherit at least $1m. i also have above six fig income. a growing part of me wants to quit job and just go find something i enjoy in a cooler city, and just worry about paying rent and nothing else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geDCtBQeN8c

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305614)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:06 AM
Author: fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse

"maybe take some job i enjoy"

Good fucking luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263857)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:02 PM
Author: Beta boiling water genital piercing

just have kids when you're 50?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305353)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:13 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

But I dont want babby. Not now, not at 50. Never. Babby is a huge package of trouble I prefer to skip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305447)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:59 PM
Author: Henna Well-lubricated Private Investor

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746637)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: razzmatazz forum prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263239)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:03 PM
Author: Bistre Idiotic Faggotry Twinkling Uncleanness

no kids, no rules

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305365)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:05 PM
Author: Sooty Nursing Home

just be a miserable striving DINK who sets up your 50s and 60s to travel nonstop and live in comfort and style

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305381)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:05 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

I would like to be a writer and be famous. If not, get rich with a business. Whatever, I look forward to the same stuff I did as a teen. I just managed to get a job to support self, but that doesnt fulfill me. Can I still achieve my dream even if Im not in my 20's anymore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305386)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:06 PM
Author: lilac son of senegal

I hope to fucking retire from Dentistry. Otherwise, it's all the same shit. Reading, prostitutes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305389)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:55 PM
Author: curious turdskin

*poasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746594)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 10:00 PM
Author: Henna Well-lubricated Private Investor

that was covered in "prostitutes"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746648)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: Bright Exhilarant Tank

RIP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263268)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:17 PM
Author: Flushed Arousing Gunner

Honestly I can't imagine a life where I don't have a wife or kids where I don't eventually kill myself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305489)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:19 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

I am the opposite. I'd kill self if I had a family. I grew up in a super dysfunctional family and after YEARS I am starting to feel liberated from their psychological abuse. Having my own family would simply bring it all back. Would never do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305499)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:28 PM
Author: magenta zombie-like stead karate

I respect people that know not to pass on toxic epigentic mechanisms to future generations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305587)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 10:31 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33306089)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 10:04 PM
Author: magenta zombie-like stead karate

Reread this and realized how 180 it was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746681)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:54 AM
Author: magenta zombie-like stead karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263885)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:21 PM
Author: Startled razzle piazza

Is it acceptable to start a PhD in your 40's? What things could I do that would be cool, interesting and not "for youngs only"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305519)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:22 PM
Author: appetizing ceo

Death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305526)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 9:22 PM
Author: bull headed gaping

2 chicks at the same time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33305529)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:53 PM
Author: razzmatazz forum prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746572)



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Date: May 14th, 2017 10:32 PM
Author: Mauve Halford Corn Cake

would say Lyle is a pretty good poaster regardless of his age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33306100)



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Date: May 15th, 2017 1:29 PM
Author: Histrionic Foreskin

Acceptance on this bort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33309798)



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Date: May 15th, 2017 1:30 PM
Author: Coral striped hyena

pet hoarder/hobbist/traveler/casanova/#brunchlife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33309803)



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Date: May 15th, 2017 1:31 PM
Author: glittery ratface

descent into being a pathetic old man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33309813)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:55 PM
Author: Stimulating plaza dopamine

let's see...

poast and lose all hoap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746596)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:57 PM
Author: house-broken stage ape

DINK is the only credited lifestyle

by 40-45 I want to be retired, with a $50k wine/tequila collection and all the passive income I can handle

and go to the grave with no crotchfruit stealing my money, happiness, or time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746614)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:58 PM
Author: ivory area

you know what the "D" stands for right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746628)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 9:59 PM
Author: house-broken stage ape

I'm married u ape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746635)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:16 AM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

wtf is a crotchfruit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263867)



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Date: July 10th, 2017 10:01 PM
Author: Godawful international law enforcement agency skinny woman

What can you expect from life before 35? It's all the same shit. Here's my favorite quote about the "wonders" of life:

This is the great lesson the depressive learns: Nothing in the world is inherently compelling. Whatever may be really “out there” cannot project itself as an affective experience. It is all a vacuous affair with only a chemical prestige. Nothing is either good or bad, desirable or undesirable, or anything else except that it is made so by laboratories inside us producing the emotions on which we live. And to live on our emotions is to live arbitrarily, inaccurately—imparting meaning to what has none of its own. Yet what other way is there to live? Without the ever-clanking machinery of emotion, everything would come to a standstill. There would be nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing to be, and no one to know. The alternatives are clear: to live falsely as pawns of affect, or to live factually as depressives, or as individuals who know what is known to the depressive. How advantageous that we are not coerced into choosing one or the other, neither choice being excellent. One look at human existence is proof enough that our species will not be released from the stranglehold of emotionalism that anchors it to hallucinations. That may be no way to live, but to opt for depression would be to opt out of existence as we consciously know it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#33746656)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:23 AM
Author: Buff flatulent chapel organic girlfriend

im going to object to this partly, and agree in some ways, too.

it is all the same shit, as you put it. i think thats one big reason why people have kids. something new, something exciting.

now the part that a depressive learns the true nature of life is misleading. of course life happens in your brain, nothing is inherently exciting. this obvious truth does not negate the excitement you ever felt in your life. its just your brain wiring. but did you feel it? i believe the answer is as definitive as that stars exist. you did feel excitement. maybe it didnt last. you cant bring it to you at your whim. but it was there, and it was real. as real as the chair you sit on. i believe emotions are very real things, we just dont have the capacity to understand their place in reality. to say they are ephemeral or supra-imposed on true reality i think is highly mistaken and naive.

indeed emotions are arbitrary from one point of view, but not so if you inspect closer. they are not arbitrary like the roll of a dice, for example. they are in you for a reason. that you cannot use them as a shield against the emptiness of life or the sorrow or the pain at times you need it, that is the problem and what i think people want to say that emotions are arbitrary. as in, not there when you need them in your darkest hour. we were thrust into the world without the assurance that we will always feel good, or good enough. that is what the human mind is angry at.

there is nothing factual, or nonfactual in stating the truth of the world about being depressive. its a state of mind. its lack of excitement and belief in oneself. not one or the other is the real truth. they are merely states of mind. its a cop out to say when you are depressed you see life as it is, and a tautology because life is indeed nothing and empty if someone doesnt care about it, and care is a chemical reaction. when it comes, you dont throw it away, you never do. you embrace it. thats how life keeps going. it is painful for the organism to continue going on past caring and when its being depleted, but such is life.

life is pain at that point. what can one do? nothing. but you still cannot say that your depressive mind at that point is the correct view of life and reality. it is not. neither is it diseased. it is maladapted, but it is not rotten or anything. it is a trade off, for we are made of energy and matter and caring actually takes energy. there isnt an infinite supply of it. of course, if it was offered as a gift, i think no man would choose to not take it and continue being depressed.

and so by that, they are effectively saying, depression is not the real mode of reality, or a false one, it is one they would like to avoid.

but to the point of us all being deluded ultimately, to that i dare say the truth lies on the side of the author. i think we are born to be deluded and cling to hallucinations of everything being all right in the end, of all this life being right and ok. we all die, so it was all for nothing. i cannot argue with that. i think this is where it is correct to say we are all being deluded. but once you are alive and kicking, that delusion, call it as many times as you might, will not concede to being understood and categorized. it is the spring of life, it is the strongest delusion there is, and once you are born, there is no truly breaking free from it.

i realize i might be just agreeing with the whole thing of who you quoted. this person sounds smarter than me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263868)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:30 AM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

is this a twins alt / sub-personality of twins?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263875)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:33 AM
Author: Buff flatulent chapel organic girlfriend

lol, no. i am just being serious for once. i have been serious here before, but then stopped. once in a while i go back to it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263876)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Cerise tantric stag film toaster
Subject: a rollercoaster of fun

damentally sound questions posed to you by everyone you trust and respect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263245)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Insanely creepy turquoise locale doctorate

Family and coworkers will assume you’re gay or shooting blanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263247)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:56 PM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

I would like to form baby. But I feel hesitant to bring a kid into the world when I can't even justify my own existence. Bringing babby into this world feels like I'm just punting the issue to the kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263255)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:56 PM
Author: Cerise tantric stag film toaster

all your ancestors punted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263260)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:00 PM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

they didn't really punt. Most of them fucked without birth control and accepted the consequences.

I/we have to choose to form babby

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263279)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Primrose swashbuckling blood rage home

this has to be the pussiest take on the anti-natalist angle that i've ever seen. can't justify your own existence....? just lol dude come on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263330)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:17 PM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

Filling the void of meaning in one's life seems like a bad reason to have a kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263353)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: Primrose swashbuckling blood rage home

do any other non-human life forms have to come up with abstract justification for reproducing? what about all the half-retarded morons in the 3rd world who shit out 8 kids each?

why are you so special that you alone have to come up with abstract justification to fulfill your biological imperative?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263380)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

Weird poast

Why is it an "imperative"? We know that sex drive is useful for reproduction. But from where do you pull a teleological conclusion that sexual reproduction is an imperative? You a Christian?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263414)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:18 PM
Author: Mint Laughsome Cruise Ship Pervert

And I'm not an anti-natalist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263354)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:01 PM
Author: supple khaki elastic band sound barrier

35 might be fine, 55 would be depressing as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263282)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: Frozen Cyan Garrison Voyeur

Meh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263388)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:01 AM
Author: fuchsia famous landscape painting whorehouse

Work is hell. Children require more work, extending the hell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3614351&forum_id=2#36263852)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: Puce indirect expression

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