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why did fordham do so shitty in V25 summer offers?
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Date: February 21st, 2006 6:11 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Cardozo/BLS & St Johns were frighteningly close behind. Makes me wonder about Fordham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5150322) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 6:46 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster People grossly exaggerate Fordham's prestige on this board (probably because a lot of Fordham trolls lurk here).
Truth be told, there is a HUGE drop off between CLS/NYU and Fordham, and only a marginal drop off between Fordham and BLS/Cardozo.
I've actually heard several NYC Biglaw attorneys lump Fordham in the same grouping as BLS/Cardozo on more than one occasion.
If you go to JdJive.com, there's plenty of unemployed or underemployed (doc review, temp lawyers) lawyers who were Fordham grads, and they all complain about how they chose a "Tier 1" school because of the job opportunities promised, but now they are working alongside Tier 2 and Tier 3 washouts for $45K/year. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 6:49 PM Author: Cracking Kitty those people probably had really shitty grades. looking at the summer classes from this year, fordham seems to have done pretty well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5150670) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 6:58 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster "looking at the summer classes from this year, fordham seems to have done pretty well."
Pretty well compared to what? Certainly not NYU/CLS.
Only about 3.5% of their class got into Vault Top 10 firms, with ZERO showing at powerhouses like Wachtell, SulCrom, Paul Weiss and even lesser Biglaw firms like Wilkie, Gibson Dunn (NY) and MoFo (NY).
And aside from 1 kid in DC, they have absolutely no placement outside of NYC. None. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:04 PM Author: Cracking Kitty 1st, those numbers are wrong/incomplete...i know they are for my firm at least. anyway, wachtell only recruits at a handfull of schools and sullcrom...well, i think they hate fordham.
but, fordham has 6 at skadden, 4 at cleary, 9 at shearman, 9 at white and case, etc. a lot of the unknowns are probably fordham people too. i think they did pretty well. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:10 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster "6 at skadden, 4 at cleary, 9 at shearman, 9 at white and case"
That's still less than 5% of the class, my friend. When students in the Top 1/3 (or even Top 20%) are securing V25 jobs, then we can talk about "impressive" placement. Otherwise, Fordham doesn't appear to place much better than the BLS's and Cardozo's of the world. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:15 PM Author: Cracking Kitty again, these #'s are not complete, and it's likely that a lot of 'unknowns' are fordham people.
did bls/dozo place 9 students in any firm? or 6 for that matter?
talking to people i know from the school, it seems they did pretty well. i don't really care though. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:23 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster True, they're not complete, but all the major NYC firms are accounted for on the thread. BLS and Dozo might not have placed 9 students in a firm, but remember both schools are smaller than Fordham. Once you adjust for class size, it becomes clear that the placement of Fordham far more closely mimics Tier 2 schools than NYU/CLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5151026) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:32 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat This is what scares me. Is it really worth the difference, maybe the scholarships BLS/Dozo might give me are worthwhile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5151081) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:36 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster The choice is up to you. Usually people pick Tier 1 schools over 2nd tier schools because the name is more recognizable in faraway legal markets. In your case, that's just not true, as Fordham has ZERO name-recognition outside of the Tri-State area, and people are just as likely to have heard of BLS or Cardozo anywhere else in the country.
Granted, I think Fordham does place *slightly* better than BLS/Cardozo, just not as much as people on this board make it out to be. However, the admissions requirements are noticably lower at BLS/Cardozo, so if you take a scholarship there, you'll have a better chance of doing well relative to your class, in which case securing a Biglaw job won't be too difficult. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:40 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat As for your first point, I completely agree. Fordham is good for NYC and maybe you could take it farther away with some legwork/connections. Like 95% just don't do that though.
Maybe Fordham's median students get better jobs...could that be the advantage over the other two?
I agree that it would be easier to do very well at BLS/Cardozo. People tell you not to take the risk or don't assume anything here, but knowing myself as an individual I know this: I'd probably be guaranteed top 25% based on sheer intelligence at a tier 2, but I think Fordham gets a lot of T14 rejects from top schools, who might be a threat to my primacy. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:01 PM Author: cerebral elastic band pit hahaha!! sorry, the word primacy makes me thing of monkeys!
ok, so, i know at least 2 people at 'dozo with over 170 lsats and over 3.6 gpas who took full scholarships to be there...now, i dont know how they did in thier first year, but are your stats better than these people, or do you think that they still wouldnt be a threat to your "primacy" dispite their stats
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:02 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat My lsat is lower, gpa higher. I just love that word. Nobody is a threat to me dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5160623) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:23 PM Author: cerebral elastic band pit Primacy!
ok, now, about this gpa business... what's the average gpa at your school? for example, at my school it was a little under 3.1, especially in my major (this info shows up on your lsac report btw) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 12:44 AM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat I don't know what the average gpa is since I don't have a report yet, but I know I'm in the top 1-2% from what the dean has told me. I'm at the top of the honors college class, which is basically already the top 10% of the school for the most part with a minimum 3.3 gpa requirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5162976) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:49 PM Author: Provocative field students are easily getting offers from V25 firms. i probably know about 150 students in the 2L class. out of those 150, off the top of my head:
1. wachtell - 0 offers (but i don't think fordham tries to compare itself to CLS, NYU, HLS, Yale in that respect)
2. cravath - 2 accepted offers
3. sullcrom - 3 offers, 1 acceptance
4. skadden - 17 offers, 6 acceptances
5. dpw - 6 offers, 5 acceptances
6. simpson - 1 acceptance
7. latham - 1 acceptance
8. cleary - i haven't met anyone who's going to cleary yet (though apparently there are several going there this summer)
9. weil - 6 offers, 2 acceptances
10. covington - not to my knowledge
11. kirkland - 1 offer
12. shearman - 20+ offers, 5 acceptances
13. debevoise - 5 offers, 3 acceptances
14. wilmer - 1 acceptance (NY office)
15. sidley - 10 offers, 4 acceptances
16. williams & connolly (see #1 above)
17. paul weiss - 3 offers
18. gibson dunn - 1 offer
19. arnold & porter - 2 offers
20. o'melveny - 6 offers, 2 acceptances
21. jones day - 2 offers, 1 acceptance
22. white & case - 2 offers
23. mofo - 2 offers
24. ropes - not to my knowledge
25. milbank - 5 offers
not to mention the students who've ACCEPTED offers at mayer brown, fried frank, dewey, cadwalader, willkie, proskauer, leboeuf, cahill, bingham, stroock, schulte, katten muchin, and quinn emmanuel.
oh yea, there's a significant # of evening students who are patent agents and basically have outstanding offers for full-time employment as patent lawyers once they get their J.D. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:50 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat But are these just the top students getting multiple offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158179) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:56 PM Author: Provocative field no. that's the reason i listed offers and acceptances. i just listed 35 individuals who accepted their offers. the funny thing is that you can get a V10 job w/o being on law review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158242) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:58 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat That's aweseome. I'm pretty sold on Fordham, might only apply there and a few reaches and one safety. What kind of jobs are kids around the median getting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158269) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:03 PM Author: Provocative field i'm not sure, since i'm right around top third and the people in the bottom half don't talk about grades/jobs. i think kids in the median got jobs at kelley drye, axinn veltrop, anderson kill, kramer levin, kaye scholer, etc. mostly, the lower end of V100 and the mid-sized firms. i think it's hard once you're out of the top 50% of the class, but everyone knows that. anyone claiming the contrary is full of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158311) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:00 PM Author: Provocative field oh, i guess when you add the V26+ acceptances, i know at least 50 people who are working at V100 firms this summer. i may only hang out with the hardworking kids in my class, but i highly doubt cardozo, brooklyn or st. johns even comes close to fordham's placement in nyc, percentage-wise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158286) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 5:22 PM Author: Honey-headed aphrodisiac parlour Horrendous trolling. Fordham is better than many who bash it make it out to be, but it's hardly effective at "placing those students who want jobs outside of nyc at biglaw offices in SF, DC, LA, Chicago, and Boston." Fordham is nowhere near as impressive as you claim.
Your firm offer/acceptance listings "off the top of [your] head" are completely ridiculous. You claim to remember the exact firms that gave your friends a total of 96 offers, and you remember which 34 offers yielded acceptances. You claim that all that information is culled from 150 of your friends.
So not only have your 150 friends shared detailed information with you, but you've committed it all to memory. Plus, you claim Fordham grads are rejecting around two thirds of their V25 offers. Yeah right.
You are the worst kind of troll. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 6:48 PM Author: Provocative field fuck you. i'd substantiate my claims with the names of fordham 2Ls with offers, and where they're going for the summer, but then i'd lose all 150 of my friends. it's actually possible to be friends with 150 people in law school -- i guess you have no idea what it feels like to be well-liked and be trusted with sensitive information. i haven't polled all 150 of my friends, nor did i say "150 of my friends' summer job prospects are listed below." in fact, some of my friends haven't had any job offers and thus are not represented in the list above. but, i stand by my "claims" and you can treat my first-hand information as hearsay, unverified anecdotes, or what have you.
i'll also clarify my national placement statement - if you're in the top 25-33% and can show a tie to the region, and don't drool on yourself, you can get a job in SF, LA, Chicago, DC, or Boston. that doesn't mean you can work at Munger in LA, or Covington in DC, or Jenner in Chicago, but you can find work there. kirkland chicago had 2 summers from fordham either last summer or 2 summers ago.
i'm not sure where you got the "Fordham grads are rejecting around two thirds of their V25 offers." i never claimed to post percentage statistics. the above post represents my (incomplete) collection of data.
in summation: believe what you want, tweak the numbers as you like, but i am not making up any of the offers/acceptances stated above. i'm sure any well-connected upperclassman at Harvard, Penn, NYU or CLS could list much more impressive numbers of offers/acceptances, but i doubt many other schools outside the T14 could post similar NYC placements (sure, we get our asses kicked outside NYC since so few students are seeking jobs outside NYC, but everyone knows that). |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:36 PM Author: Honey-headed aphrodisiac parlour I'm pleasantly surprised that you're still standing behind your lies. I'll be happy to debunk them.
Of course I don't know the 150 Fordham friends who you claim so generously disclosed every detail of their job search to you. It's beyond any doubt, however, that you can't accurately list 96 offers and 34 acceptances of your classmates from memory. First, offers aren't widely enough discussed for you to amass such detail. Second, if your memory was so incredible that you could remember such detailed statistics you wouldn't be at Fordham. The clear conclusion is that you made that list up. It is fiction.
You claimed that among your friends, they were rejecting around two thirds of their V25 offers. You claimed that you knew of 96 offers, 34 of which had been accepted. That's roughly 1/3 acceptances. Even assuming that the offers were made to the same top students, it's hard to believe that 34 of your Fordham friends had an average of around 3 V25 acceptances each.
As for your trollish claim that Fordham has become adept at "placing those students who want jobs outside of nyc at biglaw offices in SF, DC, LA, Chicago, and Boston," it's easily refuted by numbers. The survey being conducted in the sticky thread about school placement in firms shows that Fordham has pathetic placement outside of NYC. US News reports that Fordham places EIGHTY-NINE PERCENT of its class in the "Middle Atlantic" region (NY, NJ and PA). In other words, nearly 90% of Fordham grads stay in NY or NJ. The other 10% are sprinked around the rest of the country at random. Hardly a national reputation.
Fordham's a good school. I'd much rather attend Fordham than many of its peer schools (Notre Dame, UNC, William & Mary, UIUC, etc.). In my personal opinion, Fordham should be ranked above all of the schools I just listed.
I also agree with you that it's a mistake to claim Fordham is no better than Cardozo or Brooklyn. Fordham is not, however, nearly as good as you make it out to be. In your zeal to defend your school you made claims that were silly and easy to refute.
Nice try, troll. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:12 PM Author: Alcoholic yellow hunting ground home Err... all the people I know (from my section) who ended up top 1/3 all received V20 or better offers but chose instead to take jobs at firms w/in the V25-35 range. I myself rejected 5 V10-18 offers and accepted a job at a V50 b/c of the type of work I want to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158394) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:13 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat So Fordham does pretty damn well. What rank range were you with so many good offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158403) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:18 PM Author: Alcoholic yellow hunting ground home I was w/in the top 15%-10% range. Closer to 15% than 10%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158442) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:19 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Congrats. How difficult was this to manage? Is Fordham really competitive at the top? How many hours/week studying did you do on average? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158455) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:23 PM Author: Alcoholic yellow hunting ground home w/o wanting to toot my own horn - it's really not that easy. But alot depends on what secion you get put into. By the luck of draw my section was one of the tougher ones out there i.e. the A grades were not limited to select few. At that point a lot is down to luck - how fast you write, how you're feeling that particular day, whether the prof. can read your handwriting.
Having said that though, my section at least wasn't really that competitive well it was... but not in that evil stereotypical way. People took the time to help oneanother out. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:25 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Cool, that has some good info. Do you handwrite exams? I thought 99% of law students used laptops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158524) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:27 PM Author: Alcoholic yellow hunting ground home 1st years at Fordham are required to handwrite exams - unfortunately you only get the secure exam option in your 2nd and 3rd year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158537) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:41 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Shit, my handwriting blows. Or it looks cool like graffitti if I take my time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158708) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:06 PM Author: cerebral elastic band pit so, apparently so does mine... that said, the only thing that kept me from an A+ was not actually writing on a half a question, (i apparently misread my last problem despite leaving it an equal amoutn of time as my other essays)... so anyway, i asked my teacher after about my handwriting, and he said, it was bad, not the worst I've seen, but it didnt hurt you in grading.. not writing at all about this issue did... that said, I had some of the highest grades in my class on the first essays and still got a decent grade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5160638) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Honey-headed aphrodisiac parlour Every single person you know in your section who ended up in the top 1/3 of the class both (1) received V20 or better offers, and (2) took a job at a V25-35 firm?
How many people do you know in the top third? 1? 2? What's up with Fordham trolls and obviously bogus numbers today?
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 4:12 PM Author: CharlieMango
Err... all the people I know (from my section) who ended up top 1/3 all received V20 or better offers but chose instead to take jobs at firms w/in the V25-35 range. I myself rejected 5 V10-18 offers and accepted a job at a V50 b/c of the type of work I want to do
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158394)
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:19 PM Author: Garnet alcoholic mood sneaky criminal If the numbers are wrong, please correct them or at least point them out. I'd like the info to be accurate and useful, but it'll only get that way if people participate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5150971) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:48 PM Author: Trip casino dog poop Pretty well? Well, no, not compared to NYU/CLS. Then again, almost no law schools can compete with those two for NYC Biglaw. Fordham doesn't claim to.
Compared to other schools? I'd say pretty well works. Fordham gets screwed by US News, but it's the 12th most selective school in the US. Compared to other schools at that level (and certainly the T15-30), it does quite well.
Granted, it has almost no placement outside of NYC. But how many Fordham Law students are looking for jobs there, anyway? You go to Fordham for NYC, not the other way around. |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:51 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster http://www.leiterrankings.com/students/2005student_quality.shtml
How is it the 12 most selective school when at least 16 schools have higher incoming LSATs and GPA's? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:35 PM Author: Provocative field this is such a bullshit thread.
first, the 3.5% in v10 is an incomplete statistic, not taking into account that 1) not all the V10 summer classes have been posted; 2) the 3.5% stat is in accepted offers; and 3) as pointed out elsewhere, the "summer class" lists posted on this board are based off of e-mail addresses, and (perhaps attesting to fordham's shitty admin) fordham 2Ls do not use their fordham e-mail addresses as their primary e-mail address.
second, if you want to criticize fordham's V25 OFFERS then why don't you try finding out how many V25 firms gave offers to fordham students?
third, fordham does have a growing reputation outside the tri-state area that's only recently been gaining traction as the student body has been improving. as posted earlier, fordham is placing those students who want jobs outside of nyc at biglaw offices in SF, DC, LA, Chicago, and Boston.
if you're in the top third at fordham, you have a very very good shot at getting an offer from a V100 firm; that's certainly not the case at cardozo, brooklyn, or st. johns. to put fordham in the same tier as those schools is absolute bullshit. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 5:18 PM Author: Honey-headed aphrodisiac parlour This is much more of "a bullshit thread" after your trolling rampage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5159092) |
Date: February 21st, 2006 7:45 PM Author: Rose odious shrine turdskin I was under the impression that about top 35% or so get biglaw at fordham and for BLS and 'dozo that's about 15-20%. Also, I think the median at f'ham is still 100k or more. i could check this, but i'm too lazy to do so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5151172) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:50 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat I'm under the impression of the same board ideology. I'm just curious what kind of biglaw these places are, since they have a kind of poor showing in the V25. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5151214) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:51 PM Author: Trip casino dog poop US News lists $125k median private sector salary for Fordham Law, for what it's worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5151218) |
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Date: February 21st, 2006 7:55 PM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster It's not worth much, since every school on the planet skews those numbers in more ways than you can imagine. The placement statistics at "private firms" never account for the majority of bottom-half dwellers (and even people who did relatively well grade-wise) that are now work temp jobs with no permanent employer...or instead are doing random contractual doc review assignments for firms that will never hire them...at less than $50K/year.
JdJive.com seems to indicate that there's a much greater pool of these people in the workforce than the school-concocted placement statistics seem to indicate.
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Date: February 21st, 2006 8:14 PM Author: translucent talking hell there's more 'major nyc firms' (to quote you from above) than the v25. there's probably about 150 total that pay market in nyc. most of those aren't accounted for on this board.
also, here's fordham's employment stats for 2004. http://law.fordham.edu/ihtml/cp-emplo.ihtml i've posted it before, and then there's always silence from the detractors. a full 25% of the class goes into firms with more than 500 attys, and almost half go into firms with more than 100 attys.
and you're going to find a lot of bottom dwellers at places like jdjive b/c of how large fordham's class it. every year, they pump out 200+ bottom-halfers, and clearly, they're not all going to get great jobs, particularly if they don't have connections. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 7:52 PM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Are there really that many marketpaying firms in NYC? Impressive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5160548) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 3:50 PM Author: Maniacal shitlib still a small sample, lots of V25 firms left to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5158185) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:21 PM Author: Fluffy mint area Because Fordham sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5160715) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 8:51 PM Author: galvanic deep clown jewess It's official, smile12345. You are now the most pathetic and filthy troll in the history of XOXO. That is an impressive achievement.
I happen to "know" (which means have at least have a social acquaintence with) about 60-70 kids in my law school class. Of those, I have about 4-5 close friends, and the rest of the folks are people I drink with at Bar Reviews and go to parties with sometimes. I couldn't tell you where 12 of them will be working after graduation...let alone tell you how many OFFERS they received, and from which particular firms.
You are SOOOO full of shit, its incredible. And of course you can't reveal the names of the students with all these wonderful Vault offers, or they won't be your "friend" anymore. Great cop-out, douche. Your story is completely unverifiable.
Even assuming that 35 or more of your "friends" told you of EVERY SINGLE Biglaw offers they had received (highly unlikely)...how can you be sure they weren't lying to you? Did you hear the employers call them up and make them an offer? Did you hack their e-mail accounts to see who made offers to them? How can you be sure what they told you isn't a nice line of bullshit spoken to make themselves sound important (as far too many law students often do)?
And furthemore, I'm soooooo sure that all these fordham kids are turning down V25 offers left and right to work for less prestigious biglaw firms. Yeah, right. Are you kidding me?
More than half of Fordham is full of CLS/NYU rejects, and thanks to their massive insecurity and inferiority complex over the last 3 years, they would all be BEGGING for the prestige of having an elite white-shoe firm on their less-than-impressive academic resume. Show me a guy who claims to have turned down Cravath for Kelley Drye, or DPW for White & Case, and I'll show you a complete liar.
Law firms are very much like law schools. Unless you have a particular practice you're focused on, you go to the best one you can get into. And even if you *do* have a particular practice in mind, you still go to the highest ranking firm with a strong practice in that field. The logic behind this is that you can always "downgrade" to less prestigious firms once you've worked at the cream of the crop. "Upgrading", however, is difficult, if not nigh impossible to do in Biglaw.
Everything you've stated here, smile12345, is pure conjecture, mixed with a lot of lies and false statistics. You shameful insecure Fordham trolls make your school appear much worse than it already is. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 9:12 PM Author: costumed chad Subject: supreme PWNAGE!!! Perhaps these Fordham trolls will finally settle down.
They're getting far too rowdy as it is, considering this board (and the world) finds them all to be rancid, festerting TTTs. |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 12:45 AM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Just wait. If I go there, I'll be the biggest troll in the entire CNF peer group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5162983) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2006 11:36 PM Author: Provocative field good god, i just want to dispute the "fact" that fordham did shitty with respect to V25 offers. so many posters on this board are elitist fucks who obsess and drool over prestige, that they can't understand why someone would choose firms based on fit, rather than rankings. oh well. it's truly a shame. why is it so hard for non-fordham students to hear that top 33% fordham students do very well securing summer associate positions?
rather than post obsessively on this board, i like to socialize with my law school friends. and at a school with friends where your success is not measured by the firm you ultimately work at, we freely discuss pros/cons of firms and the offers we're considering. we see the offer dinner/bar night e-mails from firms to 2Ls with outstanding offers, and we drink and talk to each other at these recruiting events. perhaps it's uncouth for "elite" law school students to talk about their summer options, but i discussed my summer options with all my friends, and who was likely to go where, etc. etc. it's really a shame you're not as close to your law school friends as i am.
fordham is a relatively friendly, non-cutthroat law school (in my opinion, at least) and it's certainly not anathema to me that people choose lesser ranked firms.
firmrankingsguy, i love your "cravath for kelley drye" and "DPW for white and case" examples -- taking my words, twisting them, and pushing them to the extreme. cravath and DPW turn some people off, and they'd rather work at debevoise, for example.
Schadenfreude, you better be thrilled i'm standing behind my words. because they aren't lies. if i sat down and wrote out the names of each individual I KNOW with offers, and where they ultimately went, probably 15 or so names would dominate among the offers extended.
"You claimed that among your friends, they were rejecting around two thirds of their V25 offers. You claimed that you knew of 96 offers, 34 of which had been accepted. That's roughly 1/3 acceptances. Even assuming that the offers were made to the same top students, it's hard to believe that 34 of your Fordham friends had an average of around 3 V25 acceptances each."
when you fuck around with "averages" given only raw data, you can say what you like. but i never said they rejected 2/3 of their V25 offers. 1 person might have rejected 7 other offers (and yes, that happens at fordham, just ask the TOP student from each mini-section). 3 other people might have rejected 5 offers. a dozen people might have rejected 3 other offers. i'm not saying everyone i know had 3 offers and rejected 2 of them. i admit i know a few people who lucked out with only 1 V100 offer, and i also know a few people who amassed offers like they were merit badges. it's clear you'll never believe me anyway, so go ahead and pick apart my argument. i stand by my data and if a fordham student takes pity on you and shows you the "offer tracker" on our career planning secure site from this recruiting year, you'll see for yourself.
i'm at fordham because i wanted to be in nyc, and sadly, cls and nyu would not have me. but i turned down umich, gulc, and penn to stay in nyc. now you'll go and call me stupid for not attending a T14, along with compulsive liar, deluded, etc. but i'll be spending a happy summer in nyc at a V20 firm. |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 12:48 AM Author: Exciting Yapping Kitty Cat Awesome post. I like u dood. You seem much more realistic about things than these fuckerz. I'm glad to hear Fordham is not cutthroat and hope people are cool like you seem to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5162996) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 4:39 AM Author: Emerald cheese-eating public bath toaster When 2/3 of the class is not getting Biglaw, and the bottom half is working temp jobs and doing contract doc review assignments...how can you believe this guy when he says it's not cutthroat?
The only truly "non-cutthroat" schools in the country are HYSCCN, because no matter where you end up in the class, you're bound to at least land a decent job. |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 12:48 AM Author: Heady gaping menage maybe your V20 could have been a V5 if you had gone to Penn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5162999) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 2:44 AM Author: low-t mediation point Perhaps, but I don't think it would have been worth it if the guy really liked Fordham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5163632) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 2:39 AM Author: charismatic newt lodge I go to Fordham, got offers from V25 firms and I decided to work at a firm that's not even on the V100. So there you go, one example of a person who rejected V25 firms for lower ranked firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5163589) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 2:46 AM Author: low-t mediation point not to defend the douchebags on this thread (I have very close personal ties to Fordham and respect its NYC placement), there are people like this at every law school. So, if you assume just as many people made this decision at UMich as at Fordham, then the gross numbers of who actually went to V20 is still telling. I think it is silly to assume that more people in fordham prefer lower ranked firms than people at any other school. If people at Brooklyn are placing more people, that suggests that they are getting more offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5163650) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2006 2:48 AM Author: charismatic newt lodge I never said anything about more people prefering anything. The guy above said that nobody would choose a lower ranked firm over a V25 and I simply said that I personally did. Where in my post did I say that more people in fordham prefer lower ranked firms?
Man, I haven't been on this board in like 2 years and it's more idiotic than ever. |
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Date: February 24th, 2006 2:46 AM Author: mind-boggling crawly den foreskin I would like to address one comment before about scholarships at Brooklyn and St. Johns versus going to fordham. I personally think that if you can secure most of your tuition at those two schools, it is a better deal. Here is why: Fordham is very cheap on its students and it is an expensive tuition (35K/year). The previous poster are correct in saying that most are CLS/NYU rejects (which makes it competitive and tougher to get "Biglaw"/ "Get out of Debt" Tickets. I would suggest looking at school as an investment and making sure that investment gives you a return. If the odds arent in your favor, try going for free - then at least u have nothing to lose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=365218&forum_id=2#5171391) |