Forget calculus, algebra I needs to be retired as a college requirement. [LAT]
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Date: July 2nd, 2017 7:06 AM Author: marvelous locale
How necessary is intermediate algebra, a high school-level course on factoring trinomials, graphing exponential functions and memorizing formulas that most non-math or science students will rarely use in everyday life or for the rest of college?
http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-intermediate-algebra-qa-20170630-htmlstory.html
"Diversity" leading to dumbing down of life.
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Date: July 2nd, 2017 8:05 AM Author: shaky citrine ape
Guess you're right. It's just so basic to most of us that it's hard to believe the some kids need to taught it in college
Edit: OTOH, don't most of them have this under their belt, but they're too dumb to place into calc or even precalc, so they get relegated to repeating a high school course.
Most ttt schools I'm familiar with don't require stats for non social science majors
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Date: July 2nd, 2017 9:46 AM Author: Hateful khaki business firm mood
I flat out told my high school algebra teacher that I was never going to use this shit so why were they making me learn it.
Today, in my white collar non-STEM office job, I regularly have to solve for X and use basic algebra.
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Date: July 18th, 2017 1:25 AM Author: amethyst bonkers tanning salon becky
Algebra legitimately arises in ordinary professional and semi-professional life (e.g., solving for an unknown, working with interest rates).
If you can't do basic algebra (which is what they're really talking about), then the degree shouldn't be called a college degree of any sort.
It also happens that algebra requires the ability to engage in formal, abstract thought, which is precisely one of the things we expect a "college" graduate to be able to do.
If you can't do that, what you're learning is either worthless or should be called vocational training.
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Date: July 30th, 2017 8:57 PM Author: Dashing Casino
"Back in the 1950s, Chuck Berry recorded 'School Days,' a song about the life of a typical high school student. It included the lines 'American history, practical math, you studyin' hard and hopin' to pass.' Practical math back then was a bedrock course in American high schools. You can still find courses in practical math today, but mostly in vocational or trade schools."
"What happened to practical math? The one-word answer is Sputnik. The threat from advanced technology developed by the Soviet Union created a fear of a missile gap, and the powers that be decided that a concerted effort should be made to push engineering, science, and math. Engineering and science use advanced math, and algebra is the language of advanced math. In an attempt to respond to the technological challenge of Sputnik, practical math got phased out, and algebra got phased in."
-The Smart Guide to Practical Math, by Jim Stein (2015)
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Date: August 10th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Dashing Casino
"A good high school algebra course prepares you to do very well on the SAT test so that you can get into the college of your choice. It also helps you deal with problems involving trains headed toward each other at different speeds and their subsequent fates."
"And just to be as direct as possible about the shortcomings of traditional algebra course content, it's quite typical that even the better students aren't able to make basic financing decisions later. They can solve lots of goofy artificial problems about trains, but they can't tell when changes in interest rates mean that they should think about a mortgage refinance, and they believe amazing and fantastically contradictory probability results."
-Everyday Math for Dummies, by Charles Seiter
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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:19 PM Author: Dashing Casino
According to this book, applied math basically falls into three categories:
1. basic arithmetic, used routinely everyday, usually with a 4-function calculator
2. vocational math for skilled trades like electricians and construction work
3. the math used in scientific and technical fields
There arguably could be fourth category for business, financial and investing math.
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Date: November 4th, 2017 3:21 AM Author: fiercely-loyal really tough guy cruise ship
I have a math degree so I am as big a partisan of mathematics and mathematical education as anyone but I don't really see the point of making algebra a compulsory subject for college.
Why make people who will very likely never ever use it study it? Wouldn't they be better off studying something that they might use?
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Date: November 4th, 2017 3:29 AM Author: fiercely-loyal really tough guy cruise ship
Then they should drop algebra to do more literacy.
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Date: November 4th, 2017 3:33 AM Author: wine national security agency
why not throw out all hard science while we're at it, probably less than 2% of high school grads use chemistry or physics or bio
and why teach literature, just keep all english education to composition
and who "uses" history anyways
you learn things in high school not just b/c they're valuable but b/c we value them as a culture, or b/c it's important to "teach kids how to think" (e.g. scientifically or mathematically), or b/c they're necessary to move onto higher level work in that discipline, and it's valuable to teach kids those things to give them a chance to proceed to higher-level work
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Date: November 4th, 2017 3:44 AM Author: wine national security agency
so we're letting junior high kids pick their majors and careers now?
you didn't read my post. "usefulness" isn't the only reason we teach kids things. idgaf if a mathematician knows the details of the battle of hastings or remembers much shakespeare but he should be culturally-aware and should be taught to express himself effectively. and idgaf if an english prof knows how to do matrix algebra but he should be forced to do math beyond what he might find "immediately useful" to learn to think mathematically and analytically, and god forbid we should expose him as a middle school student to valuable knowledge that he might enjoy and want to continue with.
exposure to new areas of knowledge and testing kids' intellectual limits is an important part of pre-college ed.
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Date: January 11th, 2018 8:08 AM Author: slap-happy odious market persian
Math is one of the fundamental keys to understanding the world.
Most people also don't need to know about the Golgi Apparatus or inert gasses in their everyday lives either. Should we cut biology and chemistry too?
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