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How stupid must you be to support net neutrality regulations?
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Date: July 12th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Do these people simply repeat whatever John Oliver tells them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758853) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Beady-eyed pistol state cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758877) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Galvanic canary center lol george20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759252) |
Date: July 12th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate (Comcast) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758870) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Sure thing, bro. Retarded low IQ libs with sociology majors should manage our internet, not literal technocrats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758878) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire How stupid are you OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758883) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Prove to me that you're not stupid. Why specifically do we need net neutrality regulations? Show me that you're not a dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758894) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire Enjoy paying Comcast/NBC a premium in order to access non-NBC content on the Internet!
There's barely any competition for ISPs. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/broadband-access.png
Ajit Pai is just helping ISPs by bending America over for her eventual rape. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Uhh, so we paid Comcast a premium to access xoxo content before 2015 huh? Why do libs always resort to retarded talking points derived from watching John Oliver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759045) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759255) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot You're so fucked in the head that's it's surprising I'm even trying to answer you. Do you understand how companies like Google and Netflix paid for non net neutrality services like faster lanes you dumb festering lib? Do you understand that treating Netflix traffic like regular traffic just congests the networks and makes it slower for everyone you literal retard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759393) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:38 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759527) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:41 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot "they'll send less and charge more"
what's preventing you from going to a competitor? att? verizon? comcast? time warner? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:57 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759691) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 6:03 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot this is wrong you dumb idiot. give me your zip code or city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759743) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759830) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:06 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Oh really you stupid lib?
http://broadbandnow.com/New-York/New-York?zip=10001
http://broadbandnow.com/District-of-Columbia/Washington?zip=20001
How utterly pwned do you feel you festering propagandist lib? |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:07 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot PWN PWN PWN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762753) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:53 AM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762981) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Do you understand what "availability" means? Can you not read charts? Are you ESL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762998) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:07 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot 18000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762755) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:08 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot I didn't if you would pull through but you did. Bravo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762760) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:08 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot THAT MAN HAS A FAMILY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762763) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:09 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762767) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:52 AM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762978) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:47 AM Author: yellow boltzmann So, speaking for Washington DC according to your chart: two options with 99% availability, only one of which is high quality broadband (second option caps at 15mbps and that's the max rather than the average).
The third option is literally what we're saying they have to do, laying fiber, but it only has 60% availability in one of the largest cities in America in one of the central zip codes in that city.
And why is Verizon laying fiber? Because their offering, DSL, has been getting crushed by the vertical monopoly Comcast has been leveraging via bundling services (in addition to offering higher caps) and the recognize they can no longer extract rents from their current offering (except to the extent people get so frustrated with Comcast they're willing to take shit internet for a period of time).
So, we're looking at one available option with a company notorious for fucking people with low quality service with a coin flip on a second service being available.
Honestly, your links support his argument if you take any time to analyze them.
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Date: July 13th, 2017 5:38 AM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763289) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot I just pwned you by explicitly showing your areas have multiple ISP providers. Go ahead and react to your repeated pwnings by calling me flame if that makes you feel better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765165) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Are you fucking retarded? There are other ISPs with a 63% and 55% availability coverage and protip, they don't serve the same fucking areas. Give me your exact zip code and I'll tell you specifically how many ISPs are in your area.
There are also tons of publicly accessible internet services at the nearest library for free, http://broadbandnow.com/District-Of-Columbia/Washington if you think Comcast is raping you.
And LOL at thinking 15mbps is slow when it perfectly streams multiple 4K Netflix and porn videos. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (guy crushing the library poasting scene)
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot And so? If Comcast went buckwild with charging onerous fees and blocking websites, and the municipalities suddenly shut down every other ISP (you're talking about a 0.00000000000000001% chance of this happening), what would prevent consumers from just going to to a free competitor? Wouldn't that keep Comcast from doing what net neutrality alarmists insist they would be doing without Title II NN regs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765368) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:38 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (guy who doesn't realize library gets its internet from Comcast) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765391) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:43 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Please cite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765416) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:03 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (guy who thinks government runs a magical hidden isp for all of its non-proprietary services)
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Please cite Comcast is the ISP for DC public libraries. That's your claim. Now cite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765581) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:58 PM Author: Lascivious Navy Genital Piercing I care very little about this, but is your argument "if you don't like it go to the library"? Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34744364) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Spectacular Umber Dilemma Hissy Fit titcq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759251) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: alcoholic institution nowag prob. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758891) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (((Net neutrality))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758895) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot EDIT: libs are pieces of shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758900) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: Lime bearded menage Bro I'm anti net neutrality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758913) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot My apologies brother. 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758920) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758933) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate Who the fuck says "statist" anymore you tea party cuckservative faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758928) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Do you prefer communist comrade you histrionic literal piece of lib shit? State your argument on net neutrality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758936) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate i don't really care about it i'm just trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758942) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Contagious location pisswyrm (guy who's a genius compared to net neutrality supporters vint cerf and tim berners-lee) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758932) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Oh yes. It's the usual libs' appeal to authority because their IQs are too low to bring a substantive argument because their brains are full of literal pieces of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758940) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: Contagious location pisswyrm lol, i'm not a lib. good flame thread overall, dude, definitely keep going (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758971) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate Doubt it's a flame thread. There are still probably a handful of "movement conservative" types on the board and this sort of shit is super commong among boomers and conservative white collar professionals. This might be Ted Cruz tp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759001) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot It's funny how libs like yourself and your lib friend above appeal to authority without establishing any kind of argument as to why you support the regulations. Is that because you just repeat retarded lib talking points as you have zero knowledge of what the Title II regulations entail? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759015) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:21 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate I genuinely don't give a fuck about this issue or virtually any of the "muh free markets" issues. It's boring, it's uninteresting, and none of that shit matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759050) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot *gets pwned*
*"I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE!"* |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate Nobody except reddit shitlibs and cuckservative bootlicking faggots cares about this faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759277) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759398) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot You do know that Marc Andressen is against net neutrality regulations right, you libshit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759008) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:17 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder Appeal to authority bad!
Ad hominem good!
Strange flame, brother. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:31 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Who led off with a logical fallacy you dumb idiot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762895) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder He did it first?
JFC. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot No, moron. His entire argument is an appeal to authority. That's it. Full stop. Are you dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762960) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:49 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder And yours is what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762970) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Read the entire thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763000) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: violent crawly church building jewess (GC bootlicker) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758935) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (Zuckerberg 2020 voter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758950) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758959) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: violent crawly church building jewess (gigakike corporatist butt fuckin queer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758961) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:35 PM Author: Trip Native Affirmative Action spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34745501) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot And how is that worse that sucking on government cock you festering lib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758956) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: violent crawly church building jewess Suck my dick, u fat mother fucker. Come fight me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758972) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot State your location. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758981) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:50 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759267) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: multi-colored friendly grandma Can someone summarize this for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758944) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Aggressive Onyx Piazza Sex Offender http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2192273&forum_id=2#22990639 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758978) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759003) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate Redditors want it so their porn viewing doesn't get throttled, or something. Tea Party conservatives like it because the think tanks they get their views from receive large donations from Comcast and Time Warner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758988) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: multi-colored friendly grandma Yeah but what happens with the bill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758995) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Fantasy-prone kitchen associate clinton or cosby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759006) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:25 PM Author: Painfully honest out-of-control cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34744999) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: Irradiated Theater Stage Come to think of it, it would be nice to allow Comcast to charge pumos moar to poast.
*types up retarded anti-NN thread* *hits poast* *waits* "It looks like you're trying to shitpoast on xoxohth.com! You have exceeded your bandwidth cap for this website. If you would like to continue poasting, please upgrade to our Megapoaster Deluxe Bundle for only $39.99/mo!" |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot You're right. xoxo did not exist before net neutrality regulations. It was totally impossible to use xoxo before 2015. You're absolutely right. Describe how you answered the first question on your IQ test. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758992) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759010) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Irradiated Theater Stage Yes, NN prevents your capitalist overlords like Comcast from changing the rules of the game now that the Internet is ascendant and television is dying. You should really be divesting your shares and buying ETH anyway, pumofag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759041) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Except NN regulations forces ISPs to serve you thousands of gigs of porn every month while every other productive working citizen has to subsidize you for taking all the bandwidth. How utterly stupid can you be on this issue? Do you even know anything about it you festering lib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759083) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:34 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage WTF does Net Neutrality have to do with your greedy pornpig hypo? Imposing tiered data plans with hard usage caps is perfectly in line with Net Neutrality principles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759149) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:35 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Umm, are you stupid? Net neutrality forces ISPs to treat NetFlix traffic the same way it treats xoxohth traffic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759157) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage No shit fuck head. What does that have to do with a single user on a network consuming a disproportionate amount of data relative to other users and causing congestion? If the single user is engaged in GC approved data consumption, it is okay for him to cause congestion?
Why wouldn't the ISP simply charge the data hog a higher rate that doesn't discriminate based upon the type or source of the data, or simply impose a hard cap? What objectives are not served by those solutions, thus requiring the ISPs to charge different prices based on the nature of the data consumed or throttle/block different types of data? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Spectacular Umber Dilemma Hissy Fit scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759280) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:18 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot LOLOL at this literal dumb fuck.
As net neutrality TITLE II (TWO) REGULATIONS forces ISPs to not discriminate traffic, Netflix traffic is mixed in with xoxohth hitler traffic and the lanes are congested based on how many nearby netflix retards consume lib propaganda on netflix.
How utterly dumb are you? Are you reading articles from 2013 and trying to respond to me? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:27 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759445 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759449) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:42 PM Author: Irradiated Theater Stage No one is forcing my ISP to do that you virulent retard. Comcast can still impose bandwidth caps (after it clears the moratorium imposed as a condition of its recent merger), provided those caps apply universally and are not content or source based. And if it isn't profitable for Comcast to serve porn whales, that's fine. No law says Comcast has to provide me Internet access. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759205) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Are you utterly dumb? I'm not arguing that ISPs can't impose bandwidth caps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759242) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:50 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage "Except NN regulations forces ISPs to serve you thousands of gigs of porn every month"
Are you too fucking dumb to read what you previously posted? If Net Neutrality doesn't foreclose ISPs from imposing data caps (which it doesn't), how the fuck does it force ISPs "to serve you thousands of gigs of porn every month"? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:23 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot It doesn't prevent imposing data caps but it forces ISPs to put shrew brunch Tumblr traffic in with NetFlix HBO John Oliver festering lib shit, which congests traffic for regular non leeching users. Do you get it now or do you want me to pwn you further? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759427) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:26 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage Do you realize you were not making any sort of QoS argument in the post to which I responded?
Date: July 12th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: .,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
Except NN regulations forces ISPs to serve you thousands of gigs of porn every month while every other productive working citizen has to subsidize you for taking all the bandwidth. How utterly stupid can you be on this issue? Do you even know anything about it you festering lib?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759083) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Is English your second language? I'll demonstrate for you Ching Wei.
a) You consume gigs of internet porn daily. b) some unemployed retard wants to see the latest stormfront posts on xoxo. c) The unemployed retard's traffic is mixed in with your traffic. d) ISPs are forced to serve you thousands of gigs of porn on the same lane as stormfront poaster's, degrading the stormfront poaster's Mbps. e) Traffic slows to a halt as you masturbate while the stormfronter can't log in efficiently to read xoxo hitler poasts.
/pwn |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage This is painful. Just stop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759507) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:37 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot "But but but Netflix CAN PAY for faster lanes!!!," shrieked the shitlib while being shown 2015 net neutrality regulations that banned discriminate traffic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759516) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: maize rigpig Agree, can't we give something to the mega-corporations for once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758985) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Why does the government know better? Explain in detail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759019) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: maize rigpig You will pay a dickton more if net neutrality goes away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759077) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot So if your theory were true, countries without net neutrality regulations are paying up the ass for internet correct? Prove it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759105) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: titillating blathering stead cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759213) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:21 AM Author: titillating blathering stead cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34746309) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: Sepia son of senegal meetinghouse how big a fag do you have to be to even know or care what "net neutrality" is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33758997) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire And this is why Comcast & Time Warner will fuck American consumers in the ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759014) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:19 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot As opposed to short sighted politicians who have absolutely no knowledge of internet infrastructure and the kind of investments involved, you stupid lib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759025) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire Yea, last I heard Comcast was in dire straits! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759039) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Don't you think an internet company knows more about...investing in internet infrastructure...than sociology majors you dumb lib? Why do you think Google backed Verizon on net neutrality regulations? How dumb and stupid can you actually be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759060) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:23 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire "Industries can regulate themselves" lisped the reptile while Global Capitalism was nutting on his face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759069) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:27 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Yes, the unregulated internet was a total mess before 2015. It needed Title II net neutrality regulations imposed by unelected sociology majors to make it viable. You're totally right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759090) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:31 PM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea In the past it probably wasn't worth it for the ISP's to differentiate traffic. Now the ISP's (which are largely cable companies) have a strong incentive to throttle netflix and youtube. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759115) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot If NetFlix uses the vast majority of bandwidth, why shouldn't they pay more? Why should they pay the same rates as xoxohth.com? State your argument succinctly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759140) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:35 PM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea In my view ISP's should be treated as a utility. Is that sufficiently succinct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759153) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot So what incentivizes ISPs to invest in more infrastructure to increase Mbps speeds if there's no return for them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759166) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:42 PM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea Your assumption that the ISP's will invest in better infrastructure if they could charge more for certain usage isn't necessarily true at all. They are monopolies/oligopolies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759206) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot How many internet service providers exist in the United States at this moment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759248) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage It is clear you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
NetFlix, like everyone else, pays for data connections. If NetFlix wasn't paying enough for the transportation of its data, it wouldn't be transported.
What ISPs want to do is extract rents from NetFlix and its consumers based upon the utility such consumers derive from NetFlix's service. That is it. If it were simply a question of data usage, ISPs could charge more for their data plans, and Tier 3 networks would charge NetFlix more for transporting its data. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:53 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759286) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:55 PM Author: brass exhilarant gaping university this seems like a quite devastating response. Ted Cruz, have you been found to be utterly and completely low IQ & dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759293) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:59 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot except you and the resident retard above you still cling to your tired John Oliver arguments of no net neutrality = paid tiers!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759312) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:01 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage Don't get me wrong, there are fairly persuasive arguments against Net Neutrality, but those arguments sure as fuck don' include "but what about the poor ISPs." Whenever that argument pops up, it is almost a given that its proponent is a GC hack or someone who doesn't know WTF they are talking about simply repeating what they heard from GC hacks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759322) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:08 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Exactly what would incentivize an ISP to invest in more infrastructure if they're just operating to mostly subsidize NetFlix users at the expense of every other user? Do you not think that would slow innovation and even grind it to a halt if everyone and their mother watches 8 hours of 4K movies a day? Give me your detailed lib government plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759358) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:58 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot "NetFlix, like everyone else, pays for data connections."
"like everyone else"? WTF are you talking about? Can you distinguish between fast lanes and slow lanes? Do you know how lanes are congested when you're watching hundreds of gigs of porn daily and that traffic is mixed with xoxohth traffic that just wants to read white supremacist text?
It's hilarious arguing with the low IQs on here. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:23 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage This is bordering on some "series of tubes" shit, but you have managed to tangentially brush up against a legitimate argument in opposition to Net Neutrality.
It is painfully obvious you don't have a fundamental grasp of this issue. That's okay; most people don't, but why in the fuck do you insist on making a scene with one needlessly abrasive, retarded post after another?
Up to this point, your criticism of NetFlix, specifically, and net neutrality, generally, has been limited to end users consuming large amounts of data adversely affecting others' data services. This is a horrible argument in the context of Net Neutrality. I suspect you realized this, ran off and did some googling, and came back with your piss-poor restatement of the argument in favor of permitting discrimination based upon data types in order to prioritize other types of data that time sensitive, i.e., Quality of Service. This is legitimate argument against Net Neutrality, to which there are persuasive counter arguments. However, it is painfully clear you were not making any sort of QoS argument up to this point, and it is equally apparent from your piss-poor restatement of this argument that you you either don't understand it or you are trying to glom it onto you prior arguments, which you now realize are SPS.
As for "fast lanes and slow lanes," this boomer-speak could be referencing all sorts of things. It could be referencing the above referenced QoS, the distinction between Tier 1 and Tier 3 networks, or peering arrangements between multiple Tier 1 networks. Regardless of the precise nature of this reference, it does not cover up for the fact that you you are a fucking idiot who doesn't know a god damn thing about the ISP industry. Yes, NetFlix has to pay for its data just like everyone else. Who pays what is determined by a highly efficient market between the various local, regional, and national ISPs. If an ISP is transmitting more data that it receives to a second ISP, it pays the ISP. It's that simple. the mechanisms used for setting that price can be quite complex, but the current industry arrangement is both simple and elegant. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:27 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot LOL at this literal moron. You seriously understand nothing about net neutrality Title II regulations huh? Let me quote the words of actual FCC commissioners for you when they passed Title II NN.
"The action that we take today is an irrefutable reflection of the principle that no one, whether government or corporate, should control free and open access to the internet," Wheeler said.
"We cannot have a two-tiered internet with fast lanes that speed the traffic of the privileged and leave the rest of us lagging behind," commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel said at today's meeting. "We cannot have gatekeepers who tell us what we can and cannot do and where we can and cannot go online. And we do not need blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization schemes that undermine the internet as we know it."
https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/26/8114265/fcc-ruling-net-neutrality-victory-internet-title-ii |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:31 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage I wish this exchange were not taking place in the context of a debate on a dorky, abstract, and somewhat esoteric issue, because this may be one of the stupidest responses in the history of XO, but most people will not appreciate your stupidity.
Date: July 12th, 2017 5:27 PM Author: .,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
LOL at this literal moron. You seriously understand nothing about net neutrality Title II regulations huh? Let me quote the words of actual FCC commissioners for you when they passed Title II NN. "The action that we take today is an irrefutable reflection of the principle that no one, whether government or corporate, should control free and open access to the internet," Wheeler said.
"We cannot have a two-tiered internet with fast lanes that speed the traffic of the privileged and leave the rest of us lagging behind," commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel said at today's meeting. "We cannot have gatekeepers who tell us what we can and cannot do and where we can and cannot go online. And we do not need blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization schemes that undermine the internet as we know it."
https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/26/8114265/fcc-ruling-net-neutrality-victory-internet-title-ii
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Instead of responding to my posts clearly indicating that NETFLIX will not be allowed to pay for faster access under Title II net neutrality regulations, which clearly pwned you, you resort to an ad hominem? That's rich. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759509) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:44 PM Author: Carnelian insecure bawdyhouse blood rage I already tried to engage you in that discussion, and your response demonstrated that you are unable or unwilling to engage the various aspects of this issue in a good faith manner.
Do you realize that that the person's reference in your quote concerning "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" is not meant to be taken literally?
Can you understand that, in my post above, I was referring to literal aspects of the ISP industry that produces the effects that he was loosely, and very imprecisely, referring to as "fast lanes" and "slow lanes"?
Can you get it through your stupid, misshapen head that, regardless of what you intended to argue initially above, you were not making the same argument you are making poorly now? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:31 PM Author: mint multi-billionaire For someone calling other people stupid you showcase a glaring lack of logical ability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759116) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:34 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Describe in detail instead of just resorting to ad hominems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759143) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:52 PM Author: Cocky Provocative Trust Fund Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759284) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea "Why do you think Google backed Verizon on net neutrality regulations?"
Hasn't Google experimented with providing broadband access to certain cities? |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:32 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Yes, and it's been too costly to roll out nationwide due to government retard regulations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759119) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:38 PM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea Those "retard regulations" were unfortunately implemented in a manner so as to protect the ISP/cable companies. I don't think you can put NN in that category of regulation. NN is a push back against the oligopoly power that the ISP's have enjoyed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759179) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:44 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Not true, idiot. Local government municipalities imposed onerous regulations such that a new competitor entering would not profit.
/pwn |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:46 PM Author: brass exhilarant gaping university Why do you feel the need to be so nasty in your argumentation style? Seems odd. Anyways would like to know more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759238) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:29 AM Author: yellow boltzmann It's almost as if a monopoly has managed to use its power to capture regulators at every layer of government in hopes of preventing competition. Odd case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763082) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:44 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot What telecom law is preventing Google from laying fiber in California or New York? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763113) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:51 AM Author: yellow boltzmann Fiber literally selected cities based off of their willingness to cooperate on a regulatory level.
Then shit like this happened:
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2016/10/25/comcast-sues-metro-over-google-fiber-backed-pole-otmr-ordinance/92748490/ |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:26 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot WTF are you talking about? Google is still going ahead with Nashville and the rules remain in place to help new providers attach utility poles. Do you even law? Do you think a lawsuit is a law? I mean, LJL.
AT&T and Comcast have simultaneously rolled out fiber with gigabit internet services of their own which have pwned Google Fiber. WTF is the problem? There are three competitors with very fast internet speeds. Isn't that what you want you festering lib? |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (guy who doesn't grasp cost of fighting patchwork of local regs and entrenched interests)
Strange that Comcast fiber got laid almost immediately once Google threatened to come in and upset the monopoly. Odd case. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Except Comcast has already laid fiber where Google Fiber hasn't threatened to come in, places like California and New England. Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765470) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:56 PM Author: yellow boltzmann They're generally doing it in response to the phone company doing it. The phone company is doing it since DSL isn't competitive with Cable. They generally try to maintain a little parity in their duopoly so they don't get crushed by anti-trust.
Also, I'd just like to point out that these congestion issues you speak of don't plague other countries with cities that have significantly higher bandwidth consumption and significantly higher density -- e.g. South Korea. You keep trying to use the wrong tool (fast lanes) to solve the wrong problem (content hogs).
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:01 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Except Comcast has always invested in infrastructure to increase internet speeds. How do you think 1.5 Mbps speeds became gigabit speeds in less than a few decades? Did Google Fiber threaten them throughout?
Look at this chart and pwn yourself
Also lol at citing South Korea, a densely populated place. Do you seriously thinking wiring networks in a small area is equivalent to connecting lines all across America? Can you show me your last IQ examination? |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (guy who doesn't realize that advancements in infrastructure were always a result of the battle within the phone/cable duopoly)
We don't care about across America. Rural still uses AOL bro. We're talking about infrastructure in locations that have your "congestion" problem. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot What's your point? Competition is good for innovation. No one is questioning that. There is competition in the ISP sector and a lot of pro NN Title II supporters are completely ignorant of that fact. Comcast for instance has increased internet speeds 100 fold in less than 20 years. Why impose onerous title II regulations that impede further innovation? Why are libs so utterly stupid when it comes to basic economics? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765620) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 10:09 AM Author: adulterous forum marketing idea Having worked on cases and matters involving franchise agreements for cable companies, the installation of cell towers, and public wifi networks I can tell you that this is way over-exaggerated. Most local regulations on the book are preempted by federal regulations (FCC regs etc). Municipal power to stop or greatly impede the installation of networks was largely killed in 2000 when the FCC issued new regs and a few years after when courts started interpreting those regs and federal law. Essentially, a city or locality can no longer treat cell towers or cable company infrastructure any differently than power lines. Local regulation is very limited and the local planning process for such infrastructure largely pro forma. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763994) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: Sepia son of senegal meetinghouse internet is like under $50 a month and actually works. who gives a fuck about this stuff?
and if you are too cheap for that you can go to starbucks or one of the 10,000 other places that have free internet. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 4:19 PM Author: Arrogant thirsty market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759026) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:01 PM Author: vigorous fear-inspiring macaca whorehouse But what does GROVER NORDQUIST think??!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759326) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:12 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759373) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:31 PM Author: yellow boltzmann (Guy refusing to ban world death bioweapon because it hasn't been deployed before)
Proactively banning things that fuck up crucial utilities seems useful. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:38 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Ban what things exactly you dumb lib? Why shouldn't Netflix be allowed to pay for faster lanes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759526) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:49 PM Author: yellow boltzmann All content should be transmitted without preference by the ISPs.
Same way I think HFT shouldn't have preferred access to front run trades on public exchanges.
If the service you provide has risen to a crucial component of modern society, then basic regulations about fairness of access should be implemented.
I understand you disagree and I don't think it is an unreasonable position to take, but I have substantially less faith that the market can sort things out effectively in scenarios like this. I'd rather be proactive. |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot why should netflix traffic be mixed in with regular traffic? are you in favor of slowing the internet for netflix users due to congested traffic? why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759643) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 6:02 PM Author: yellow boltzmann i don't think you need to slow the users. Bandwidth investment is something they're going to need to do regardless of Netflix - it's the nature of the evolution of our online consumption. Making services that don't have access to the fast lane non-viable seems like a great way for us to fall behind in one of the few areas where America has a consistent competitive advantage: content distribution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759729) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 6:05 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot no they don't. there's no incentive to invest in anything if netflix users continue leeching. you already had content distribution before with faster lanes. with title ii, that's not the case anymore. networks are congested as netflix retards slow it down for all of us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759767) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:12 AM Author: fuchsia brethren This is literally the only structural element of our economy where baby boomers subsidize Gen X and Millennials and you want to take it away. Because you are obviously employed to represent telecoms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762790) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:25 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot color me appalled at the idea of subsidizing unproductive unemployed shrews. you're right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762858) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:26 AM Author: fuchsia brethren Go get a reverse mortgage and buy a harley to haul your fat ass around, boomer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762864) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:31 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Go choke on more student debt with your sociology education while watching john oliver explain how you should think about net neutrality, millennial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762894) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:36 AM Author: fuchsia brethren LOL I'm a well established Gen Xer like you I just don't try to delude myself that my bootlicking is virtuous. Your cable company clients are the horse and buggy lobby trying to outlaw the combustion engine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762915) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Tell me exactly what telecom law prevents Google from laying down fiber in NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762931) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:14 AM Author: yellow boltzmann The infrastructure to continue innovating in content distribution requires low barriers to entry. There's a reason why on-demand came out of the internet rather than the telecoms -- companies with a monopoly on services don't go out of their way to innovate on them.
The cost to upgrading the network to accommodate the new wave of services is high, but their monopoly should help them feel better about it. Start laying fiber, they're going to need to do it sooner or later and choking out innovation to extract even higher rents isn't the way to do it.
I have very little desire for the next Netflix to originate anywhere in the world other than the US. If I have to gargle Verizon's balls to get my startup off the ground we're fucked. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:20 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot LOL at ISPs not innovating. How do you think we went from 56K modems to Gigabit internet speeds in 20 years? What a totally fallacious argument.
"Start laying fiber, they're going to need to do it sooner or later and choking out innovation to extract even higher rents isn't the way to do it."
See Google Fiber and its failures. The cost of laying down fiber does not return anything financially meaningful.
"If I have to gargle Verizon's balls to get my startup off the ground we're fucked."
You don't. You can serve 4K video content without needing fast lanes. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:35 AM Author: yellow boltzmann Brother, I gotta say you're just getting slammed here. It's like watching a pack of wolves savage a sheep with its leg caught in a bear trap.
We went from 56k to Gigabit because there was competition between phone lines and cable lines. That's gone now and most geos don't have viable competition between high quality providers (see e.g. Comcast being the most hated company in America with the worst customer service score over and over while raking in profits).
It was actually access to public lines that was the issue. Captive regulators made the process too long and costly, not the actual capital requirements of laying the fiber. Google being somewhat pragmatic about this decided to switch toward dispersed wifi rather than bother with laying fiber -- they figured solving a technical problem was better than solving a people problem. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: razzle double fault set Netflix is a horribly inefficient mechanism for providing video entertainment to joe sixpack.
Low bandwidth cable worked great because it was a broadcast medium--you send the same thing to everyone. Individually sending video streams to every TV in every room in America is incredibly wasteful and expensive.
Telecom companies are actually better positioned to build a more scalable video-on-demand system since they could build neighborhood hubs for the content so it wouldn't need to traverse so many lines, but doing it Netflix style is crazy. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:26 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot 1800000000000000000000000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762861) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:26 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot (high IQ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762863) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:30 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder Those retards can't even make decent guide interfaces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762891) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: fuchsia brethren LOL yeah but those channel guides cable companies make are models of ground breaking user interface design. At least netflix has a fucking search bar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762946) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:44 AM Author: razzle double fault set How bad can it be? You pick a show and hit play. If it's cheaper, who cares if the interface looks cool and modern? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762957) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 9:59 AM Author: Sepia son of senegal meetinghouse are you joking? the main reason why netflix sucks is because it's too much fucking work to find a show to watch and you spend 25 minutes flipping through multiple menus that all contain the same shit while they hide the stuff you actually might want to watch and eventually you give up and just watch whatever is on HGTV on cable. if they could build anything close to a typical cable guide then cable would be done in a few months.
almost all netflix interfaces don't even let you search shows while you're watching something else. it's like they just decided to ignore 60 years of TV viewer behavior. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:22 AM Author: yellow boltzmann Joe sixpack doesn't have a netflix account, so I'm not super worried about rural subscribers getting choked out here.
Public cloud is being built out fast enough that the size of the pipe is a bigger problem then the length. Everything we are doing is requiring more bandwidth, they'll need to lay more fiber sooner or later, they just want to extract more rents before they do so.
If the cost of infrastructure improvements were prohibitive, they wouldn't have spent so much time trying to prevent Google Fiber from using public lines. The reality is that they don't feel obliged to upgrade and it is far cheaper to pay lobbyists to allow them to extract rents.
There was literally nothing preventing Telecoms from doing an end run around Netflix in its infancy and owning the on-demand system. They are inefficiently run monstrosities with a stranglehold on their captive regulators and they got totally blindsided by Netflix moving into original content. Now they're trying to claw back control. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:20 AM Author: razzle double fault set this is a low IQ redditard position on the issue.
what's really happening is two groups of multi billion dollar corporations (telecoms, tech companies) are fighting over who earns the economic surplus from laying lines, and who should pay for infrastructure improvements. somehow one side of this battle is popular among tech bros online who want everything for free.
tech companies don't want to pay for anything, demand fast lines at all times, but want to capture all the surplus. their end goal is a low-margin "dumb pipe" provided by cable/telco. that's business strategy 101: commoditize your complements.
telco guys who spend billions on new network gear and running last-mile cable want to make a decent ROI. they're used to selling premium services like cable TV to provide that ROI and don't want to be undercut by tech bros who didn't pay to build the system in the first place.
your HFT analogy is apt, but it's the other way around. HFTs didn't like the major exchanges making more in fees than they made in trading, so they sponsored competing exchanges to put pressure on margins. why don't tech companies do that? build a consortium and invest in fiber to the home at low margins where they can all benefit? oh wait, running all that fiber and providing quality service is actually really expensive... |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:25 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder "oh wait, running all that fiber and providing quality service is actually really expensive..."
Don't forget:
- natural monopolies
- shitty government charters, rules, and regulations
- regulatory capture |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:33 AM Author: razzle double fault set Waaah! We have the smartest guys on the planet and billions of dollars at our disposal, yet we're unable to figure out how to get content from some regional datacenter to Joe Sixpack's house!
Long-range wireless can't work?
It's impossible to get easements to lay cable?
It's all bullshit man. They could easily do this if they wanted to. Their goal is to make someone else foot the bill. And I don't blame them, every business agitates for their self-interest, but don't act like it's a moral issue here. It's two rich businesses fighting over who pays. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 3:03 AM Author: yellow boltzmann Great point at the end. But you know what, it isn't the laying of fiber that is all that expensive, it's fighting the patchwork of captive regulators that prevent access to public poles.
I suppose a savvy tech company would just find a way to avoid the human problem and solve the tech problem by removing poles from the equation.
https://www.wired.com/2016/07/facebooks-giant-internet-beaming-drone-finally-takes-flight/
These fucking monopolists are so intent on using captive regulators to extract an extra $10 from each customer today that they've created powerful enough incentives for the tech companies to completely change the underpinning infrastructure of the internet.
Sort of like how the refusal to open up the cable box fucked the companies into oblivion.
Rent extraction only works if you prevent disruption. They've managed to do that via raising the cost of access to local poles. I suppose they gotta hope that it is cost prohibitive to do it another way. Not looking good for them. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:20 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder You sure put a lot of faith in some of the shittiest monopolies and oligopolies in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762827) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot what's preventing google from putting down fiber in your area? you think comcast or time warner are preventing them? educate me on what you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762855) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:26 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder Nonresponsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762866) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:28 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot what exactly is preventing more competition from entering your area? you have no idea about how municipalities have made it onerous to do so huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762876) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:29 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder Nonresponsive.
We're done here. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:34 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762903) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: fuchsia brethren LOL yeah those municipalities just happened to rig all the local rules in favor of cable company incumbents. It's a mystery why they did it, but somehow that's how things are and it's never going to change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762927) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:40 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Like what exactly? Do you even law? Name the laws. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762936) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: fuchsia brethren A very close friend is in government affairs at Google Fiber. Believe me I'm well aware. It's not one law its hundreds, and it's not just laws but hundreds of different bureaucrats who are hugely biased in favor of the status quo and incumbent players. It's similar to the maze of permitting bullshit that makes tons of other fields like real estate development complicated and keeps out upstarts. It also makes lots of work for lawyers. But that doesn't make the telecoms' desire to control content somehow more virtuous because they have solved a bunch of shitty riddles that the asshat at the local department telephone poles thinks are the only barrier between order and chaos. It's just the incumbency advantage that allows people like you to do your rent-seeking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762972) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot Umm, except in cities that openly embraced Google Fiber by sucking its literal cock, Fiber has been a disaster everywhere it's been tried. Why you might ask? Laying fiber cable is....you guessed it...VERY EXPENSIVE, which Google didn't anticipate.
Does your retarded friend know that his job is at risk because Google has stopped rolling out Fiber due to its retarded costs? |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:30 AM Author: fuchsia brethren This entire discussion just underlines that your argument is high barriers to entry are a good reason to give cable companies control over which content cost more/reaches more viewers. I.e. monopolies over access are the best way to distribute content. We've just gotten done with a 20 year period of all sorts of experiments with that and it resulted in Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith yelling gibberish at each other for 20 hours a day as the content most promoted by the cable companies.
But you're also completely full of shit calling it "paper work" and acting like the cost is merely a linear measurement of cable line. There's tons of aspects that are hard to quantify like x, y, z right of way or whether the department of road construction has old maps from the utilities, so oops that's a gas line or shit we just killed the power for the block for the rest of the afternoon in the middle of the summer. It's not a simple thing, but the cable companies got it done using a gigantic subsidy from the federal government in the form of the 1996 Act. The pipe that they laid was a quasi-public good given how long there were huge portions of the country where they were monopolies or duopolies with blatant price fixing. Net neutrality by comparison is a level playing field for AT&T or whoever to try to do exactly what you describe, i.e. recruit smart engineers and build a content interface that beats FANG at its own game. And shit the new Spectrum streaming site is a pretty good first stab at doing exactly that. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot Explain why internet speeds have gone up 100 fold in less than 20 years without any need for Title II net neutrality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765699) |
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Date: July 14th, 2017 5:12 PM Author: fuchsia brethren LOL, glad I came back and found this. They've gone up like 50 fold in the last five years and of course it had a lot to do with new entrants and the gathering storm of FANG trying to fuck the pipe companies and fight to get net neutrality under a FANG-biased POTUS. Are you seriously defending the amazing innovation that the pipe companies accomplished from 1996 until 2008 when the economy was booming 12/14 years and they had complete monopolies in tons of markets through out the country and we fell way behind the rest of the developed world? That's specifically why they're getting their shit pushed in now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33775067) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: razzle double fault set Your argument is that filing paperwork is the biggest impediment to building a high-speed residential network?
Please, show your work. The man hours spent on legal work are dwarfed by equipment costs and even the labor costs of basic maintenance. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot LOL. The nimrod above you actually thinks paperwork is an impediment to telecom competition. It amuses me when high IQ knowledgeable poasters pwn the literal morons ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763013) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:41 AM Author: razzle double fault set You really believe a top-10 corporation on the entire planet can't convince some municipal board members to allow them to provision faster internet lines at a lower cost? That it's some vast conspiracy preventing this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762941) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot (180 high IQ poaster utterly pwning souls left and right ITT) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762956) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Razzmatazz Brunch Mood Maybe redditards will also support road neutrality and eliminate those privileged bike lanes too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759508) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 5:37 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot LOL 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33759519) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:21 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder That's isn't one-quarter as clever as you think it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762838) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: Lime bearded menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762930) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Abnormal stirring indian lodge yep, these people simply repeat whatever John Oliver tells them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33760037) |
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Date: July 12th, 2017 7:19 PM Author: 180 Rehab As long as Comcast and Time Warner handle ruling internet access the same stellar way they've handled the gov monopoly in cable networks then I would be fucking thrilled to let them govern my internet access. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33760200) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:24 AM Author: fuchsia brethren Equating FANG and telecoms as both equally nefarious in their attempts to control the internet is fucking idiotic. Be sure to support the effort to end net neutrality if you like what's become of ESPN, because that's exactly what will happen to all content if the Telecoms can gate access to the internet. It will be the worst type of least common denominator, pointless GC-consensus drivel.
Obviously net neutrality favors FANG and hurts the telecoms, and that's good. The telecoms got the 1996 Telecom Act and proceeded to rape the entire country and perform like a warm buck of piss because of their lack of competition for the next decade plus. FANG are in a dominant position because they maintain users with their product everyday. There are much lower barriers to entry for another company to come along and fuck over FANG and in the case of FAN that process is well underway in various respects and F, A and N have to come up with new ways to make their products better all the time or risk getting beat out by an upstart. To take on the Telecoms you have to literally be Google and even then you get pwn3d by the maze of barriers to entry that drastically favor the big telecoms. The Telecoms wanted to be SPS quasi-governmental entities for the last two decades, and they got to reap the profits of having that oligopoly. Now they get to be assraped as their complete lack of foresight and assumption that dogshit bundles of shit content are the inevitable endstate of media. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:28 AM Author: razzle double fault set This is bullshit. Google is unbeatable because they're in a virtuous cycle business. Even if you hired away all their smartest people, they'd lack the data to build a Google-beating search engine, and you wouldn't be able to get enough advertisers for the same prices because you can't target ads as well.
One side has a local physical semi-monopoly that can be beaten with money alone. Google could easily lay cable and fiber to every house if they desired. It's a solved problem.
Tech companies have a data/infrastructure monopoly that's much harder to beat. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:34 AM Author: fuchsia brethren The infrastructure they have is obviously way fucking easier to beat. It's a fucking URL. The data they have has a permanent shelf life and is constantly depreciating rapidly in value, so maintaining that value in the business depends completely on the easily beaten infrastructure. Your dumb hypo about stealing their engineers is technically true on day one after you steal them, but assuming they build a superior product on day 500 you have like 95% of the enterprise value of Google. Cf. literally buying the FCC to change the rules to control which content costs more or less. Your argument is fucktarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762905) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: razzle double fault set If that's true, why do top Google engineers earn far less than bankers or traders with a portable book of business, despite the company earning much higher revenue/employee than any financial company? Their success isn't replicable outside the mothership.
You could literally take every Machine Learning PhD out of Google right now and force Google to replace them with new hires, and Google would still win. That's institutionalized edge writ large.
FWIW the FTC and EFTA agree with me. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:07 AM Author: fuchsia brethren Haha LOL talk about your appeal to authority, and to the EFTA no less. As if the Euro regulators aren't 1000% disingenuous about everything and anything related to the U.S. tech industry because they are insanely butthurt about how thoroughly U.S. tech has conquered their markets.
Re: your moronic hypo #2, if some magical Machine Learning PhD who also happens to have the right business background and social skills to be a pied piper to his kind comes along, then maybe he'll try it. In the meantime, most coding supernerds seem to think the wages and job security available from google and other tech megacorps are worth surplus they give to the company. See also the blatant engineer wage suppression conspiracy that FANG and all other major U.S. tech companies were caught conducting, which also has something to do with the FTC's view of google. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:17 AM Author: razzle double fault set Bullshit. Quants are as aspie as they come, even aspier than Google drones, yet they make a good cut of their work, despite harsher non-compete agreements, why?
Because any quant hedge fund can hire a Two Sigma quant and monetize his intellectual output. His employer has little or no institutional advantage that can't be purchased. You want stock index prices from Nigeria to forecast prices? No problem. Meanwhile you can't buy Google click data at any price.
Tech companies are able to suppress wages because they have institutional power. Otherwise the whole thing falls apart, and 3-4 smart guys in a garage can undercut the entire cartel. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:36 AM Author: fuchsia brethren Quants in finance also meet a bunch of business people who see the opportunity to cut them in on a better deal that still exploits the surplus value of their labor. Harsher non-competes? Link to the vast conspiracy of banks and hedge funds agreeing to not interview each other's quants? Google is a special case because they are themselves a monopoly, the difference being their product is free to all users. Google, beyond youtube, isn't a content company either, and youtube has dozens of competitors and could easily be beat out with a good enough content strategy. FAN could have their market share wiped out in a matter of months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763100) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot "literally buying the FCC to change the rules to control which content costs more or less"
LOL. Like what rules? Please elaborate. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:38 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot "Telecoms can gate access to the internet"
What prevents a consumer from going to a competitor that will grant access to ESPN?
"you get pwn3d by the maze of barriers to entry that drastically favor the big telecoms. The Telecoms wanted to be SPS quasi-governmental entities for the last two decades, and they got to reap the profits of having that oligopoly."
What is currently preventing Google or Apple, companies that are extensively richer than any telecom, from laying their own wires or even buying the telecoms?
Please answer. I'm just dying to know. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: razzle double fault set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33762973) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder So the angry pumos' argument turns out to be that net neutrality is bad because Google and Friends could run their own cables and it's not nice to interfere with the telecom profits.
Is that right? |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:09 AM Author: Hairraiser Spot If telecom is profiting so wildly as you insist, why couldn't Apple or Google buy them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763021) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:34 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder I'll take that as a "yes." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763093) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:20 AM Author: razzle double fault set It's not a mean or nice issue. If FANG want to use telecom pipes to make money, they should pay, not lobby the government for free access. If they don't want to pay, build the pipes themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763055) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:39 AM Author: Filthy white mental disorder "they should pay"
Why?
But don't spend too much time on your answer. I don't give a fuck about Time Warner and Cox.
I'm a consumer. I care about my interests. |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: Hairraiser Spot So ISPs like Google Fiber, Comcast, AT&T and Time Warner should be nationalized and given to the public because it's a public good, huh? Don't you think that will prevent ISPs from investing in more internet infrastructure? Don't you think the increase in internet speeds will grind to a halt? Are you a literal retard? Can you state your IQ before I engage you further? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765322) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:07 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter I was entertained by this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763016) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 5:42 AM Author: aromatic bespoke toaster death wish you guys realize you are arguing with george20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763290) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:15 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter It's hilarious. He even did the half dozen self-blankbumps with "pwn pwn pwn" and "that man has a family" and the other old favorites!!
board treasure in his own way |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:17 AM Author: aromatic bespoke toaster death wish cr. right on to this dude for running this same shtick for like 20 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763297) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:17 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter he's 180 in a weird way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763298) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:20 AM Author: aromatic bespoke toaster death wish holy shit, "a muscular buttocks is preferred" indeed
https://www.instagram.com/george20/ |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:20 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter I'm crying with laughter in a public place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763303) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:19 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter has he really been doing it that long?? LMAO, slow clap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763299) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:20 AM Author: aromatic bespoke toaster death wish idk, im pretty sure he's been here the entire life span of xo, and probably longer than that tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763302) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 6:21 AM Author: laughsome transparent chapel faggot firefighter 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763305) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Talking people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765270) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 9:37 AM Author: plum cruise ship classic george20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33763811) |
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Date: July 13th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Diverse quadroon station george20 needs to be gassed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#33765573) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:54 PM Author: Lime bearded menage I stand with george20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34744343) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:13 PM Author: Lime bearded menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34744906) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:22 PM Author: yellow boltzmann 4 months later, still irate.
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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:26 PM Author: violent crawly church building jewess u have one of my fav monikers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34745006) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:53 PM Author: geriatric hominid voyeur ISPs should be treated like utilities, because they are utilities. If then run out of bandwidth, they should be required to lay more wire until internet speed increases to acceptable levels. If they refuse to do this, then state governments should revoke the easements the utilities use to run their lines, condemn the facilities, and sell them to a competitor.
If ISPs are really running out of bandwidth, they can just raise the price for data usage and impose data usage caps like in the old days. But of course they aren’t really running out of bandwidth.
Would you want your electric utility telling you that you can only use so much power for your TV because using more might increase the risk of power shortages? Of course not. The utility must acquire more power to meet your projected need, whatever that might be, and you pay for your usage. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:18 AM Author: Lime bearded menage (Xo 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34746301) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:20 AM Author: Trip Native Affirmative Action spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34746307) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:21 AM Author: Rose vivacious telephone stage CRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34746308) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:00 AM Author: Stimulating lilac sandwich parlor Internet is toxic and should cost moar so people use it less. It’s weird for a country in decline to have open internet anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3672902&forum_id=2#34745651) |
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