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Five things XOXO collectively overrates
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:23 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary So here's the deal. I've been with this place since its inception, and below are five enduring and oft-repeated memes from the last few years that xo loves to repeat, but aren't quite right. And yes, I know for every one person spreading the meme in question, there's already someone else out there saying it's stupid, etc. I just wanted to throw my two cents in. For each of these, it's not quite that the XO conventional wisdom is wrong, it's just that it's more nuanced, and I wouldn't want any newcomers to get the wrong idea.
Also, I am bored tonight. Here we goooo...
(1) ARE country is incredible and I would be happier there than a big city
When you're working sixty-five hours (or more) per week, paying $3,000 per month in loans and $2,500 for a pre-war 1BR in Brooklyn Heights and your net worth is in the red, doesn't sound awesome to just kick back in your big house with your beautiful wife and a bunch of bros on the weekend after phoning it in at your 37.5 hr/$60k job at MidAmerica Co?
In reality, a lot of people here would find ARE COUNTRY and the people in it uneducated, intolerable, and dull. The worst part of it is that a lot of what xo grinders think makes ARE COUNTRY great - aside from the low cost of living - is the sense of local community that people have (much of which is developed through church and similar organizations). For the most part, xo'ers would not enjoy being part of these communities, nor would they be welcome there. That (among other reasons) is why we've never seen a mass exodus of poasters from NYC to Houston/Dallas/Kansas City.
(2) BIGLAW is completely terrible we all made a massive mistake
The memes here are the ones that come from disappointed/irate partners ("This was not what I expected. Please come to my office to discuss" after you've left for the day).
This obscures the truth: BIGLAW is a good way to make a TON of money. A few of us enjoy grinding enough to make a career out of it, but for most of us it's just a means to an end. So grind for a few years, get out when you can if that's what you want, and avoid being Peter from WSGR. You pay off your loans and do 2 more years or so, you'll have enough capital to do whatever you want, including taking time off, moving to a lower paid job, or starting your own business.
Of course, you didn't wind up in BIGLAW because you were a risk taker...you wound up there because you know it is better than what 99.9 percent of all people alive today will ever hope to achieve, to say nothing of all the people who have ever lived. We'd all do well to remember that.
(3) Alcohol = POISON
This one needs no introduction.
Of course we all know that alcohol is fine in moderation. The issue is a profession that expects you to work 2600 hours per year doesn't exactly set the tone for moderation.
Rather than going cold turkey or getting demolished every few days, focus on savoring nice booze when you've done something to earn it, in the company of interesting people if the opportunity, but sometimes alone. If you're having trouble controlling your desire for it, exercise, intercourse, and marijuana (if legal where you are) all work pretty well.
If you don't let the excessive demands of your work shape your demand for alcohol, alcohol won't be a poison, but one of many occasional indulgences that makes life worth living.
(4) All women are terrible/crazy/etc and you should never get married
The idea is basically that women are constantly alternating between clever deviousness and abject irrationality, they will poison you in one way or another, and that by the time you realize it, you will basically be driven to ruin.
In reality, many woman are 180, and they aren't all that hard to find. If you live in NYC or another big city, and are actually looking to settle down with a woman, get on match, spend some time making a profile, and do a real message exchange before going out to ensure you're not wasting your time. Do this enough times and you will meet someone who is acceptable enough to marry and have kids with, if that is what you want.
Of course if you just want secks/short term stuff = tinder.
(5) Global capitalism and modernity have made everything terrible
We're all rootless cosmopolitans with no national/community/ethic identity now because of global cap, and we just grind away in hope of spending our precious free time and money to buy whatever worthless trinket/beer/game of thrones episode the corporations are shoving down our throat. We have no real connections with anyone anymore and leave lost touch with our families ("see you 11 times before you die dad!") so we can work hard to keep the masters happy . . .
The reality is that in a lot of way things are better now than they have ever been. Medical science means that people are living longer, fewer people are dying in wars than anytime in human history, we can skype our friends and family that are thousands of miles away (or go visit them in a car/plane/train). We have devices that put the sum of all human knowledge at our fingertips, and even the least fortunate among us in the US have or soon will have access to them. We might work harder than our boomer parents (lol), but compared to previous generations we won't be dying of plague or having our heads mounted on pikes. Yes, alienation (in the Marxist sense) is a real thing, but it's probably a small price to pay given all the advances we've made. Life is better than it has ever been.
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:24 PM Author: lascivious brunch knife How much gakksauce u on tonight son? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798350) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Bright Out-of-control Hominid Nursing Home "In reality, a lot of people here would find ARE COUNTRY and the people in it uneducated, intolerable, and dull." Pretty sure you find this in NYC and LA, too. I agree with everything else, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798656) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:07 PM Author: kink-friendly carnelian rehab reading party your name is literally memes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798748) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:09 PM Author: Bright Out-of-control Hominid Nursing Home Diaper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798764) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Doobsian carmine persian pit you bother to bring up how you've been here since the beginning but list alcohol = poison. it's stupid meme perpetuated by one faggot, it's not worth being on a list of "shit xo overrates" which we could write a crime and punishment length book about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798934) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 10:03 AM Author: Orange background story lodge You treat ARE Country as a monolith. In reality, it's much more nuanced. Most of the things you can do and people you meet in NYC/SF/LA you can find in what you're treating as ARE Country cities, it's just that they are found in smaller amounts. It's also 1/4 of the price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33800772) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: odious hell what are "ARE Country cities?" Denver, Atlanta, Twin Cities? Seems like an oxymoron. When I think of ARE country I think of Buford, Georgia or Hoover, Alabama not a secondary city with over a million people in the metro area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33803020) |
Date: July 17th, 2017 10:24 PM Author: bateful cruel-hearted milk location 1) Not much to say here. I did leave NYC biglaw and moved to Dallas and it has been 170.
2) You might be referring to biglaw corporate which actually has exit options. LJL at biglaw litigators.
3) No comment either way.
4) In reality, *some* women are 180, and they are very hard to find. And that's for white bros. If you are an Asian man, as many are on this bort, things are indeed very difficult.
5) Mostly agree. But one effect of GC is feminism and that absolutely positively sucks. It has made what should be a 180 existence, as you allude to in this section, into a 160 existence. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:40 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary (1) Good for you... I have family in ARE COUNTRY and I know it wouldn't be for me, though I once harbored illusions.
(2) I mean there are certainly options, but people have to be willing to develop them, to pivot, and to take a pay cut.
(4) Well, I'm not claiming a majority are 180 . . . just that there are many out there. And yes, they are *somewhat* hard to find, but it doesn't mean that the don't exist or that they are unobtainable.
(5) It depends what you mean by feminism. If you think that it means that women should have the same opportunities as men, and should not be discriminated against because of their gender, I'm all for that and I would thank GC for that. But I suppose GC is also at least partially responsible for the idea that it's "bad" if a women stays home with her children, etc., and that's too bad. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: silver queen of the night kitty cat Re: #5 "Medical science means people are living longer". This is not a good thing. "We have devices that put the sum of all human knowledge at our fingertips". And literally no one uses those devices for this purpose. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: lascivious brunch knife Cr. No. 5 was worst in show (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798377) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary On people living longer, I'd generally say it's a good thing with some side-effects we will have to negotiate.
On the second point, xo regularly uses the interwebs to uncover hard-to-find information. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Tripping razzle-dazzle jap national security agency fine points, but you spent way too much time writing this out man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798363) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:27 PM Author: silver queen of the night kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798369) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Nothing better to do. Sent some work stuff out, waiting for responses, wife/kid asleep, you know how it goes... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798405) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Soul-stirring Copper Range Newt cr. xo = angry loser clitdicks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798365) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: razzmatazz bisexual property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798411) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Supple aqua church building elastic band (drunk nyc 11th year biglaw associate poasting from the sofa while his crazy match.com 5 fiancée watches netflix) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798390) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Literally no word in that sentence applies to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798399) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:37 PM Author: lascivious brunch knife Biglaw?
Associate?
Poasting? |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:42 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary I posted another thread a year or so ago and I can't find it, but I'm at a tax boutique. Not drunk. I have worked in BIGLAW in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798503) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:00 PM Author: Magical church alpha How is that going? Are you planning to leave soon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798687) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:03 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Nah. I like what I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798710) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:06 PM Author: red point faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798738) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:08 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Boutique is a good option, but really I would look at in house - lot of demand for those positions right now if you have at least 3 years exp. EDIT: I mean in house at a company in an industry you're interested in, not (for you) a bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798760) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:19 PM Author: red point faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798863) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:21 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Can't confirm or deny the banks being the highest paying. Start with the location you want to be at, and find the biggest employers there. Visit each of their websites and look for open positions in tax. Often there will be some for big companies (I was board and browsing the other day and found some openings using this method). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798877) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:26 PM Author: red point faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798948) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 9:45 AM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Never worked in house so I can't say I prefer it per se. But I like what I do now and like the idea of being a lawyer who represents clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33800696) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: yellow heaven sounds like you need a blog man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798398) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: Olive Aromatic Mood pretty on point
This board is toxic but most of the toxic stuff is kinda bullshit. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: razzmatazz bisexual property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798554) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: awkward doctorate 1 is only overrated because of 5. GC makes it impossible for us to go back to our home communities, or indeed to slot into a new community as a professional, as all decent jobs have moved to the megalopolises on the coasts. without GC, we could live wherever and be just fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798406) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: Up-to-no-good locale pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798423) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:36 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary See, people say this a lot, but I'm not sure that it's true. Where are you from? For 90% of people on here, it is simply false that there are no jobs within 2 hours of that place (let's call 2 hours the maximum limit of what's reasonable for a monthly day visit, I picked the number kind of arbitrarily). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798447) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:37 PM Author: lascivious brunch knife It's true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798456) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:38 PM Author: awkward doctorate im from new england. i suppose i could work in boston but its not really the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798462) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:41 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Or work in Portland ME / Manchester NH. There are definitely jobs there. Yes they will be harder to get, but they are definitely obtainable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798490) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:42 PM Author: awkward doctorate hmm, id be 100% down for that, need to check job boards i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798500) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: Supple aqua church building elastic band would love to see a v10 capital markets lawyer with extensive asian experience find a job in portland maine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798509) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: awkward doctorate goddammit im dreaming here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798512) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:46 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary I mean a lot of your skills are likely more potable than you think. Start looking at jobs and thinking what you COULD do. Doesn't hurt to apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798540) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:48 PM Author: Supple aqua church building elastic band (guy who's had way too much POISON already tonight) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798559) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:50 PM Author: awkward doctorate it's not a matter of whether I can do the job, it's about whether the employer is willing to take that chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798576) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:54 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary So, I mean you've got to sell yourself. No one said it would be easy. Working in BIGLAW is something few can do, you've got to respond to near impossible demands on a highly compressed timeline with little margin for error. In the real world, these skills matter, and I can tell you that employers struggle to find people who have them. Write cover letters explaining that you've learned how to deliver excellence for the most demanding clients in the world 24/365, and you want to bring that skillset back to [company] in [town], where you grew up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798628) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:58 PM Author: awkward doctorate brother, i appreciate the advice, i really do. i am doing this and will continue to do so. it's a slog though, and 99 times out of 100 your app goes right in the trash if you dont have exactly the background they are looking for, in my experience. maybe that's just me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798669) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:00 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Then you only have to do a 100 applications, brother! Godspeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798685) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:08 PM Author: Up-to-no-good locale pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798759) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: vigorous mint lettuce Potent potable skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33801315) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 10:31 AM Author: galvanic lay PORTLAND, MAINE IS FUCKING AMAZIIIIINGGGGG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33800911) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: Honey-headed station psychic gtfo normie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798412) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 10:04 AM Author: Canary nofapping mexican dingle berry Don't bring that incel fag talk around here, boy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33800780) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:33 PM Author: poppy stage "The answers always in the middle." there I did it for you in one line, no need for your long winded self indulgent masturbatory salon article. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798416) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Ooooo.
Of course, I could have written more, or had longer explanations, but then it would have been too much to read. Then again, if I just wrote what you suggested, no one would have read that either. The "middle path" is often best, but it's not very convincing to just say that with no explanation. |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:33 PM Author: Stirring hospital windowlicker that's just like your opinion man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798420) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: Swashbuckling Burgundy Roast Beef i cant believe someone wrote this. you are satan from hell, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798552) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:48 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Nope, just a simple poaster my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798564) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:54 PM Author: Swashbuckling Burgundy Roast Beef you are the culmination of the attitudes from the movie wall street by michael douglas and the satan character by al pacino in that new york lawyer movie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798629) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:57 PM Author: Slippery Sanctuary Not sure of the satan character reference. Wall Street was a great film of course... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798663) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:58 PM Author: Swashbuckling Burgundy Roast Beef Devil's Advocate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798672) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:54 PM Author: territorial meetinghouse digit ratio i.e., The Cuck's Guide to Life
i dont agree and the entire thing was coming from a place of fear, but that was a well written poast worthy of a 180 |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:55 PM Author: razzmatazz bisexual property these fucks have been tellling me not to go to biglaw because they want it all for themselves!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798633) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 10:57 PM Author: Cream Racy Private Investor are country is 180 and you are twacked out on giggleboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798659) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:24 PM Author: ivory telephone Reminder: OP joined ISIS several years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798916) |
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Date: July 17th, 2017 11:26 PM Author: medicated boyish genital piercing menage the point you're missing is that all 5 of those things are rarely thought of or talked about irl and that xo provides a valuable (if overcorrected) perspective on them that runs against conventional wisdom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33798951) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: Sinister multi-billionaire Brother, on a theological, existential level, I disagree with you.
If I could, I would take this list and nail it on the door of my law firm like Martin Luther titled as the "Five Objective Truths of Our Time." |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 10:25 AM Author: Startling casino shitlib #5 has to be flame
"Yeah we are isolated & depressed & wagecucking BUT WE HAVE SKYPE!!!!" |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 10:28 AM Author: Big voyeur yea that was a very sad attempt. I would say it ruined the entire poast but it was already quite a spectacle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33800901) |
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Date: July 18th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: Citrine hairraiser dysfunction (1) ARE country is incredible and I would be happier there than a big city
"ARE COUNTRY" is a large place. Is it Dallas? Kansas City? Portland? Hartford? Miami? 3 hours outside Wichita? Most XOers suffer from "grass is greener" syndrome here.
Low COL is 180, and secondary cities are seeming to develop into a sweet spot where you can get a lot of NYC-style amenities and culture for a much lower price tag. But a lot of people in those towns have community networks that they've cobbled together for decades via church or civic organizations, and it's hard for someone to break in as an outsider professionally and socially.
(2) BIGLAW is completely terrible we all made a massive mistake
BIGLAW sucks, but if you want to be a traditional breadwinner and hate math, it's not a bad way to vault into an upper-upper-middle-class lifestyle.
(3) Alcohol = POISON
It's poison and bad for you, but so are many things. Don't drink every day and don't binge drink on weekends and you'll be fine.
(4) All women are terrible/crazy/etc and you should never get married
The common denominator between all of these so-called crazy women is the XO poaster who says this shit.
(5) Global capitalism and modernity have made everything terrible
Then grow your own crops in the backyard and sew your own blue jeans.
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Date: July 18th, 2017 7:01 PM Author: irate hairy legs Good post and I appreciate the effort. While I am sympathetic to a lot of the credited xo positions you address, I felt you made fairly compelling arguments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3677841&forum_id=2#33804370) |