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Black white IQ gap, 1918-2008

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Dead business firm
  08/09/17
Wealth and IQ correlate and the whole point of the Flynn eff...
Charismatic Water Buffalo
  08/09/17
yeah but we probably watered down our white pool with all th...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
Precisely my point. Whites in the 20th century were propped...
Charismatic Water Buffalo
  08/09/17
" Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupi...
Know-it-all theatre
  08/09/17
Dude's just a huge fan of minstrel shows
Outnumbered azn
  08/09/17
Like every other white person, but I would argue that is ult...
Charismatic Water Buffalo
  08/09/17
Have you seen sat scores for the absolute poorest whites and...
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
Even yo nigga "Shitlaw" Steve Sailer admits that c...
Charismatic Water Buffalo
  08/09/17
The gap just got ten points wider
black impertinent address fortuitous meteor
  08/09/17
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lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
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Avocado Nibblets Death Wish
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Jet-lagged sex offender pisswyrm
  08/25/17
i think the biggest counter argument is that accurately meas...
beady-eyed charcoal stage
  08/09/17
doesn't seem like a strong argument when comparing groups li...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
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bipolar den
  08/09/17
Too bad we have no other means to confirm if, in fact, black...
black impertinent address fortuitous meteor
  08/09/17
and why is that?
effete gunner senate
  08/09/17
idk i'm not a proponent of the argument, but its something l...
beady-eyed charcoal stage
  08/09/17
This argument is clearly flawed. These tests show equival...
dull cracking indian lodge quadroon
  08/09/17
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swashbuckling state
  08/09/17
The thing is it has the same predictive validity across race...
Aphrodisiac alcoholic locus community account
  08/09/17
You would think then that blacks would outperform whites on ...
Concupiscible dog poop incel
  08/09/17
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mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
very misleading title
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  08/09/17
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Avocado Nibblets Death Wish
  08/09/17
Micro aggressions really start to add up.
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
black bro here. not offended, but who cares
burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker
  08/09/17
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Pontificating underhanded dilemma clown
  08/09/17
It's actually awesome if black w/ high iq
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
Or even average IQ.
Lavender overrated lettuce hairy legs
  08/09/17
Average IQ black professionals can be extremely frustrating ...
mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
state ur IQ
arrogant silver chapel
  08/09/17
Japanese in 1908: living in feudalism with medieval weaponry...
Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma
  08/09/17
guy who refuses to do so much as a surface level look at afr...
burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker
  08/09/17
Do you mean all the infrastructure that the Chinese built so...
Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma
  08/09/17
did a black dude accidentally step on your allen Edmonds thi...
burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker
  08/09/17
No but we don't need to lie about subsaharan africa being so...
Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma
  08/09/17
Credited. Lets keep it real at least.
mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
Brother , Europeans invented the fucking submarine before Af...
Concupiscible dog poop incel
  08/09/17
bro they sent a rat to the moon
beady-eyed charcoal stage
  08/09/17
H8!@
Nudist vigorous psychic international law enforcement agency
  08/12/17
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mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
Whites know this gap will be closed within a few decades.
green dashing rehab knife
  08/09/17
Chinese will start genetically modifying for IQ and IQ in th...
Awkward Sandwich Tattoo
  08/09/17
The important question is whether this will happen before or...
dull cracking indian lodge quadroon
  08/09/17
I think designer babies will come about and throw it all off...
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
It'll come way before. We figure out more of the genetics of...
deranged jap
  08/09/17
people overestimate the difficulty of getting to AGI. my bas...
dull cracking indian lodge quadroon
  08/09/17
As someone who has worked extensively in machine learning / ...
Buck-toothed sick locale gaming laptop
  08/12/17
This deserves a bump.
stubborn fiercely-loyal hissy fit
  08/25/17
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  08/25/17
Credited as fuck. This is why consciousness as a question i...
mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
If the top 20 percent of US income earners all raised black ...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
that group of black babies would grow up to be 90ish IQ inst...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
So about the same as the median white in 2040 America?
green dashing rehab knife
  08/09/17
Your assumption or based on data?
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
Let them cling to this, they only have 30 or so more years t...
green dashing rehab knife
  08/09/17
lol no, i just completely made it up. But if the 15 point g...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
I think that's about right. I think there are studies to th...
mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
Here is a study that looked at kids adopted by "advanta...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption stu...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
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Avocado Nibblets Death Wish
  08/09/17
Assuming sarcasm, not hard to believe it's possible. Average...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
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bipolar den
  08/25/17
Also, Average IQ at 17 of Asian adopted kids = 96
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
it's asian/"indigenous", and looks to have been a ...
lemon contagious tank electric furnace
  08/09/17
Gooks are smart as fuck.
mint dragon gay wizard
  08/25/17
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Sable Hospital
  08/09/17
Furthermore, if you put this entire subset together in schoo...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
No
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
I'm more than willing to listen to reasons and arguments...I...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
This has been tried with adoption studies. There is approxim...
dull cracking indian lodge quadroon
  08/09/17
It's a good thing that natural selection stopped
green dashing rehab knife
  08/09/17
Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption stu...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
Just accept what you know deep down the real answer is.
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
So let's assume it's half genetics/half upbringing. Why is a...
unholy garrison
  08/09/17
In reality iq is probably closer to 80% genetic. 10 points f...
azure mental disorder national security agency
  08/09/17
it gives our 90-100 iq whiteys something to feel good about ...
Shivering public bath laser beams
  08/09/17
"which include not studying or taking school seriously&...
Honey-headed rigpig whorehouse
  08/09/17
This image is a triggering microaggression because the shape...
arrogant silver chapel
  08/09/17
Raven's matrices has actually changed significantly from the...
dull cracking indian lodge quadroon
  08/09/17
You're going broader than what I was responding to. But, ...
Honey-headed rigpig whorehouse
  08/12/17
FUCKING LOL at xo, race-bsessed, perpetually race-cucked and...
Mind-boggling Dopamine Area
  08/09/17
reminder this is AFRICAN AMERICAN blacks who have some white...
walnut odious box office
  08/25/17
what of the Igbo
Hairraiser ebony institution
  08/25/17
Reminder: the superior race and smarter race is betting on C...
burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker
  08/25/17


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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Dead business firm

http://i.imgur.com/ElwYo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bL6N4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/V8cI6.jpg

Weird how a roughly 15 point IQ gap survived through desegregation, voting rights for blacks, massive amounts of new federal programs for the poor, affirmative action, "Diversity" campaigns designed to raise the status of African Americans etc. Wonder why that could be? My hypothesis is that there was an offsetting massive increase in the nebulous forces of institutional racism. Gotta be that.

Thoughts, xo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948957)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: Charismatic Water Buffalo

Wealth and IQ correlate and the whole point of the Flynn effect is that 100 IQ in 2008 is "higher" in the sense that a 100 IQ in 2008 would test well above 100 in 1918. White people, and specifically non-WASP white people, were imported in huge numbers in the 20th century at the same time the U.S. created the greatest expansion of wealth in the history of human civilization, and white people captured a disproportionate share of the gains, especially non-WASPs whites v. their historical wealth on a percentage basis. Given this context the fact that Blacks kept pace while they were subjected to a series of liberal social experiments that proved to be deeply flawed in a variety of ways (e.g. inner city high-rise public housing structures that had huge negative external effects on their neighborhoods) it's actually pretty remarkable that Blacks kept pace. Given the widening wealth gap and the huge and multi-generational expansion of the White middle class that benefited Blacks only slightly by comparison, you would expect the gap to grow significantly, not stay the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949214)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

yeah but we probably watered down our white pool with all the dumb irish, italians, and slavs who came in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949332)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: Charismatic Water Buffalo

Precisely my point. Whites in the 20th century were propped up dramatically by a wealth infusion that allowed mediocre Whites without much education to gain unprecedented access to wealth. The fact that they didn't style on Blacks while Blacks were going through a host of socially dysgenic changes that were both self-inflicted and caused by persisting racism and counterproductive liberal policies suggests that low-end IQ Whites are a very persistently stupid cohort and Blacks are capable of outperforming them in terms of a trend line, just not enough to offset the expected gains made by mid-level and high IQ Whites who also gained far more relative wealth than Blacks during this period. Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupid mick or zip who barely made it out of high school. At least ghetto blacks try to come up with clever rhymes and put downs. Truly dumb whites are just vacant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951891)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: Know-it-all theatre

" Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupid mick or zip who barely made it out of high school. At least ghetto blacks try to come up with clever rhymes and put downs. Truly dumb whites are just vacant."

lol @ this insanity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951930)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: Outnumbered azn

Dude's just a huge fan of minstrel shows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951954)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: Charismatic Water Buffalo

Like every other white person, but I would argue that is ultimately a function of our historical context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951964)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

Have you seen sat scores for the absolute poorest whites and wealthiest African Americans? Odd outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951972)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 10:12 PM
Author: Charismatic Water Buffalo

Even yo nigga "Shitlaw" Steve Sailer admits that comparing *net worth* instead of income shrinks this disparity and points to a regression to mean theory as the explanation.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html?m=1

Also I'm not sure how motivated I would be to gun for those extra 150 points if I knew I was already getting into my state flagship without them. Comparing that group to the group who gets shit on the most other than poor Asians in college admissions is clearly apples and oranges. I've never been able to get a satisfactory answer on how selection bias might alter this stat since poor blacks can still get into college with very low scores and poor whites can't. But it does underscore a basic truth that focusing all our resources on giving extra boosts to rich black people seems like a dumb way to address the issue, albeit a good way to maximize tuition paid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953623)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: black impertinent address fortuitous meteor

The gap just got ten points wider

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948966)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: Avocado Nibblets Death Wish



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:07 AM
Author: Jet-lagged sex offender pisswyrm



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: beady-eyed charcoal stage

i think the biggest counter argument is that accurately measuring IQ across race is difficult/unrealsitic/impossible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948978)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

doesn't seem like a strong argument when comparing groups living in the same country and speaking the same language for generations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948995)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:33 PM
Author: bipolar den



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:40 AM
Author: black impertinent address fortuitous meteor

Too bad we have no other means to confirm if, in fact, blacks are less intelligent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949000)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: effete gunner senate

and why is that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949056)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: beady-eyed charcoal stage

idk i'm not a proponent of the argument, but its something like, iq as a measurement is flawed, iq tests are flawed (which i think we can all agree with), how do you properly sample across races, cultural differences can account for a lot of the disparity, and the favorite shitlib line that "race is a fiction" ("Richwine’s first mistake was related to race. He assumes that any differences in IQ documented between races are an indication, at least in part, of contrasting racial genetics. As others have commented, his entire enterprise is doomed from the start because, while human diversity is real, race is a fiction. Human beings don’t come in a set number of biologically distinct categories. Racial designations are historical inventions that vary across countries and over time in the United States. There are some genetic markers that vary by region, such as sickle cell anemia, but none that systematically vary by the invented categories we know as race. Race is a figment of the imagination." - http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jason-richwine-race-iq-genetics-095765)

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949096)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:07 PM
Author: dull cracking indian lodge quadroon

This argument is clearly flawed.

These tests show equivalent predictive validity between races, and they have consistent intercorrelations. If they were measuring different things this shouldn't be the case. They would either significantly underpredict black real world performance, or show a pattern of variability that is different from other ethnic groups (which would suggest cultural biases and differences in skill profiles).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949151)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: Honey-headed rigpig whorehouse



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:16 PM
Author: swashbuckling state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951983)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:17 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac alcoholic locus community account

The thing is it has the same predictive validity across races

So people with the same IQ have similar outcomes regardless of race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949224)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:19 PM
Author: Concupiscible dog poop incel

You would think then that blacks would outperform whites on this tests every once and a while - but no, every single goddamn time they score lower. While iq tests may be flawed, when something happens 100 out of 100 times you just gotta acknowledge it's real.

Also I think this is the part when we start talking about Neanderthal DNA...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951998)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:04 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065017)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: vermilion haunting bbw philosopher-king

very misleading title

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948988)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:51 AM
Author: Avocado Nibblets Death Wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949060)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:56 AM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

Micro aggressions really start to add up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949084)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:55 AM
Author: burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker

black bro here. not offended, but who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949080)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: Pontificating underhanded dilemma clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949091)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:03 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

It's actually awesome if black w/ high iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949130)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: Lavender overrated lettuce hairy legs

Or even average IQ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949191)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:10 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard

Average IQ black professionals can be extremely frustrating to work w.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065040)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: arrogant silver chapel

state ur IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949471)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma

Japanese in 1908: living in feudalism with medieval weaponry and society

Japanese in 2018: Sex robots, bullet trains, Nintendo Switches, and virtual reality anime porn

Africans in 1908: live in mud huts

Africans in 2018: live in mud huts with AIDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949102)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker

guy who refuses to do so much as a surface level look at africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949118)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:04 PM
Author: Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma

Do you mean all the infrastructure that the Chinese built so they could rape the continent for all its natural resources?

Because I'm pretty sure most of the continent still lives in mud huts while the Japenese have toilets that shoot heated water into your asshole while massaging your cheeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949136)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker

did a black dude accidentally step on your allen Edmonds this morning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949194)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: Aggressive balding trailer park friendly grandma

No but we don't need to lie about subsaharan africa being some great modern place nowadays

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949435)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:13 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard

Credited. Lets keep it real at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065056)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: Concupiscible dog poop incel

Brother , Europeans invented the fucking submarine before Africans invented the wheel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952019)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:02 PM
Author: beady-eyed charcoal stage

bro they sent a rat to the moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949120)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:10 AM
Author: Nudist vigorous psychic international law enforcement agency

H8!@

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969452)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:11 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:05 PM
Author: green dashing rehab knife

Whites know this gap will be closed within a few decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949142)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Awkward Sandwich Tattoo

Chinese will start genetically modifying for IQ and IQ in the Americas will sink to Brazil level. World will be:

Asia, really smart

Americas: dumbish

Europe/ME: dumb

Africa: sos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949174)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:25 PM
Author: dull cracking indian lodge quadroon

The important question is whether this will happen before or after the creation of artificial general intelligence. If it happens after it won't matter, because it will be possible to build computers with very large speed advantages over even the most intelligent human brains.

The current rate of progress in reinforcement learning makes me think AI is likely more of a threat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949308)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

I think designer babies will come about and throw it all off. Of course there is more at play than just iq.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949453)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:51 PM
Author: deranged jap

It'll come way before. We figure out more of the genetics of IQ every day, and already genetically manipulate God knows how many mice in general. It's just about someone willing to experiment with humans.

Generalized AI in the sense of making smart people mostly obsolete a long, long way off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952216)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 7:24 PM
Author: dull cracking indian lodge quadroon

people overestimate the difficulty of getting to AGI. my basic thinking aligns with this article:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/md2/the_brain_as_a_universal_learning_machine/

the strong progress in many domains through deep learning systems (model-free reinforcement learning, vision, audio recognition etc) seems to validate the view the learning algorithms the brain uses are probably not very complex. DeepMind's latest RL algorithm beats humans at 40 out of 57 Atari games. transfer learning and model-based RL are still unresolved problems, but the capabilities of existing algorithms are still extremely impressive considering where we were just a few years ago.

i increasingly believe Shane Legg's predicted date of around 2026 is not going to be very far off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952411)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:02 AM
Author: Buck-toothed sick locale gaming laptop

As someone who has worked extensively in machine learning / statistics - I would say it's the opposite - rather that people underestimate the difficulty of getting AGI.

You also have to look at how much the tech world relies and will continue to rely on the hype of AI for selling its products - every customer service chat bot is being marketed as an "AI" now as one simple example. So on one level the incentives are greatly skewed towards overhyping the progress we've made towards AGI.

The average person, even the average "technologist" who keeps up closely with all this while not formerly trained in math / ai, doesn't realize how separate AGI is from marginal improvements in some deep learning application or reinforcement learning task of a computer playing GO or whatever game. So an advance was made in RL that now the deepmind algorithm DESTROYS everyone at GO when it only won ~80% of games a few years ago (nevermind the specific numbers) - what does that really get us in terms of AGI?

The problem with AGI is not with some performance metrics on an algorithm that's just not quite good enough yet, the problem with AGI is that it's an insanely complex problem that we don't even understand yet how to structure and how it would fully work.

So when we see advancements in "AI", for example a new deep learning algorithm has substantially improved its image classification / performance accuracy, for the short term this is a big deal b/c it gets us machines that can mimic narrow human tasks with great performance that closely resembles (or even beats) human performance. So we will first see an explosion of "AI" products that are extremely good at doing those narrow tasks - but taking that and generalizing it to some fully functioning AGI is not only a long ways off, but a completely different type and structure of problem to solve than "increase this algorithm's performance on GO or audio classification or whatever.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969429)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 2:20 AM
Author: stubborn fiercely-loyal hissy fit

This deserves a bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064403)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 2:28 AM
Author: maize native place of business

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064435)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:19 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard

Credited as fuck. This is why consciousness as a question is so important now. And consciousness is not connected to soul. Eliminate religious superstition etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065073)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:29 PM
Author: unholy garrison

If the top 20 percent of US income earners all raised black children from birth, in place of children of their own, would it not be possible to see a significant deviation from the mean among that group?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949349)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

that group of black babies would grow up to be 90ish IQ instead of 85 IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949368)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: green dashing rehab knife

So about the same as the median white in 2040 America?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949397)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Your assumption or based on data?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949398)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: green dashing rehab knife

Let them cling to this, they only have 30 or so more years to do so as the white elite completely loses race consciousness and allows their opioid-snorting proles to complety regress

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949445)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:00 PM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

lol no, i just completely made it up. But if the 15 point gap can be explained as roughly half nurture and half nature (which seems to be the approximate view of the current literature in the field), it seems like blacks should end up somewhere in the low 90s if raised by stable, above-average IQ families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949567)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:29 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard

I think that's about right. I think there are studies to that effect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065110)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:16 PM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

Here is a study that looked at kids adopted by "advantaged white families"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

Advantaged White parent Average IQ when child is 17 = 115

Average IQ at 17 of white non-adopted kids = 109

Average IQ at 17 of white adopted kids = 106

Average IQ at 17 of mulatto adopted kids = 99

Average IQ at 17 of black adopted kids = 89

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949684)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption studies are flawed as they don't account for the fact that an adopted black child might have issues forming an identity. And look for societal queues on how to "be black," which include not studying or taking school seriously.

I don't doubt genetics has some effect..But to deny that upbringing and institutions can't possibly be more important is questionable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949723)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:43 PM
Author: Avocado Nibblets Death Wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949925)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Assuming sarcasm, not hard to believe it's possible. Average black peer group is not about school life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950098)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 12:59 AM
Author: bipolar den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064085)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Also,

Average IQ at 17 of Asian adopted kids = 96

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949956)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: lemon contagious tank electric furnace

it's asian/"indigenous", and looks to have been a mix of injuns, latinos, low IQ vietnamese, and koreans

"Asian and indigenous American children came from Minnesota as well as from Korea, Vietnam, Canada and Ecuador."

The average IQ of these different groups vary by huge amounts (koreans 105ish, viet mid 90s, american indians low 90s, latinos in the high 80s to low 90s)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949985)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:22 AM
Author: mint dragon gay wizard

Gooks are smart as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065078)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 9:56 PM
Author: Sable Hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953510)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Furthermore, if you put this entire subset together in schools, where they studied and interacted with other advantaged black students that looked like them...would that not greatly enhance their chances for IQs above the median?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949449)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:44 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949456)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: unholy garrison

I'm more than willing to listen to reasons and arguments...I'm here to learn about race realism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949480)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:59 PM
Author: dull cracking indian lodge quadroon

This has been tried with adoption studies. There is approximately zero benefit by late adolescence,

This debate is pretty silly now. observable environmental factors do not account for the gap. More importantly, when we look at how IQ alleles vary across populations there is now strong evidence of differences in natural selection. East asian populations were selected more for high IQ than whites, who were selected more for high IQ than blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949565)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:03 PM
Author: green dashing rehab knife

It's a good thing that natural selection stopped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949586)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:16 PM
Author: unholy garrison

Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption studies are flawed as they don't account for the fact that an adopted black child might have issues forming an identity. And look for societal queues on how to "be black," which include not studying or taking school seriously.

I don't doubt genetics has some effect..But to deny that upbringing and institutions can't possibly be more important is questionable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949682)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

Just accept what you know deep down the real answer is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950101)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: unholy garrison

So let's assume it's half genetics/half upbringing. Why is a 10-iq point difference enough to make this a major issue for the alt-right? That's what I'm still a little confused about.

Beating the world over the head with the fact that blacks have inferior intellect proves what exactly?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950266)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: azure mental disorder national security agency

In reality iq is probably closer to 80% genetic. 10 points for a large pop is huge. Particularly when it's probably the most important factor in a nations success. However, focusing only on IQ only tells a small slice of the story.

Hbd research shows a whole host of other outcomes are predicated on your genes, eg there are genes for delayed gratification, violence, empathy etc. That's to say nothing of how various groups have learned overtime to implicitly favor others who have tells hinting at similar lineage.

That said, it shouldn't be a basis to discriminate against individuals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951962)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 8:48 PM
Author: Shivering public bath laser beams

it gives our 90-100 iq whiteys something to feel good about themselves.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953027)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: Honey-headed rigpig whorehouse

"which include not studying or taking school seriously"

Shouldn't be a problem.

https://files.catbox.moe/p5kcbb.png

No school learnin' needed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950230)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:33 PM
Author: arrogant silver chapel

This image is a triggering microaggression because the shapes are black and white, evoking painful memories of whites ownership of black slaves. How do you expect a body of color to score well when it is in pain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950312)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:08 PM
Author: dull cracking indian lodge quadroon

Raven's matrices has actually changed significantly from the flynn effect, which suggests that it isn't unaffected by culture or the environment.

A better example would be something like simple reaction time, which is a very pure measure of neurological integrity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951950)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:34 AM
Author: Honey-headed rigpig whorehouse

You're going broader than what I was responding to.

But, yes, there are lots of ways to measure intelligence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969487)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 10:00 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Dopamine Area

FUCKING LOL at xo, race-bsessed, perpetually race-cucked and victimized BITCH FAGGOTS, so fucking obsessed with this bitch faggotry. fucking lol, guy like me finds this interesting, guy like you is obsessed over it, enjoy your life homofaggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953544)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:01 AM
Author: walnut odious box office

reminder this is AFRICAN AMERICAN blacks who have some white dna in them. pure AFRICANS at 70 or below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064096)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 4:02 AM
Author: Hairraiser ebony institution

what of the Igbo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064662)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: burgundy stirring puppy candlestick maker

Reminder: the superior race and smarter race is betting on Conor mcgregor in droves despite a guaranteed 20% ROI by betting on Floyd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064112)