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Forgot to tell wife that parents are visiting; Wife is going BALLISTIC
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:23 PM Author: self-centered station gunner Wife doesn't really like my parents, in particular, my mom. Parents live on the East Coast. We live on the West. Mom asked if they could come the weekend before Halloween and stay through halloween and go trick or treating with the kids. They'd stay in a hotel. I asked my wife if we were busy that weekend, but didn't tell her why I was asking. She said we weren't. I told my parents to come, but forgot to tell my wife.
Wife just found out when my mom was talking to my daughter that my parents were coming.
I am at work, so she is on IM just FLIPPING THE FUK OUT AT ME. Not looking forward to going home.
Ho lee fuk I get tired of this shit |
Date: September 20th, 2017 9:25 PM Author: Disturbing amber wagecucks Describe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255290) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: self-centered station gunner Wife doesn't really like my parents, in particular, my mom. Parents live on the East Coast. We live on the West.
Mom asked if they could come the weekend before Halloween and stay through halloween and go trick or treating with the kids. They'd stay in a hotel. I asked my wife if we were busy that weekend, but didn't tell her why I was asking. She said we weren't. I told my parents to come, but forgot to tell my wife.
Wife just found out when my mom was talking to my daughter that my parents were coming.
I am at work, so she is on IM just FLIPPING THE FUK OUT AT ME. Not looking forward to going home. |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: sickened location persian wait so this is weeks and weeks away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255385) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: self-centered station gunner yes. over a month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255390) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 8:08 PM Author: Mauve filthpig Ok can you describe tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34263893) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:29 PM Author: sickened location persian You forgot to tell her? wtf how does that happen?
how often do they visit and how nearby do they live? |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: self-centered station gunner other side of the country. Visit maybe 3 times a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255358) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:31 PM Author: sickened location persian how often do you and your wife talk?
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: self-centered station gunner all day. She was on a work trip when we made the plans, so forgot to let her know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255386) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: indigo sound barrier shitlib Bro...how did you not tell her this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255379) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: Mint Institution Legend show her this thread and see if she changes her position: http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3060247&mc=109&forum_id=2 |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: Flesh Pontificating Pozpig ljl. if not flame, and theyre actually staying in a hotel, and not coming until halloween, tell her to stfu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255384) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 11:54 AM Author: curious mad-dog skullcap nursing home This is what I would do... but now I"m divorced... so, there's that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34259137) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:25 PM Author: Talented cobalt french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260220) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:32 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Alcoholic Stage Relevant disclaimer is relevant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260319) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:19 PM Author: Duck-like Blue Mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260143) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:33 PM Author: Floppy bistre ratface I don't get it. You are giving more than one month notice. How did you "not tell her"? |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:34 PM Author: sickened location persian cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255404) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:34 PM Author: self-centered station gunner I supposedly was supposed to get approval of the weekend because she has a really busy week at work the week before and my parents being there "ruins halloween".
Basically she just hates my mom.... |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:39 PM Author: Floppy bistre ratface She's acting like a child. Why did you marry someone so immature? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255462) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:41 PM Author: self-centered station gunner In every other way she is really mature....except when it comes to my mom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255479) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:42 PM Author: sickened location persian maybe your mom is a bitch
you should make sure she's nice to your wife so your wife doesnt dread her visits |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:43 PM Author: Floppy bistre ratface This (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255509) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:45 PM Author: self-centered station gunner My mom used to be a little judgmental, but that was years ago. She is perfectly nice now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255544) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 5:31 AM Author: up-to-no-good jap legal warrant You need to side with your wife and daughter against your parents to the point of severing the relationship preemptively (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34257530) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Self-absorbed Drunken Casino Hairy Legs Fuck that. Particularly if his wife is being unreasonable (seems likely). You have to manage that relationship, but always taking wife's side not matter what is NOT credited and makes you a pussy who deserves to be cucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34259962) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Duck-like Blue Mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260153) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2017 2:25 AM Author: pearl misunderstood goyim psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34266245) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:43 PM Author: Floppy bistre ratface In that case, you need to get them drunk together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255507) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:33 PM Author: bat shit crazy crackhouse rigor Assumed this was a Spaceporn poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255401) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:35 PM Author: Disturbing amber wagecucks You are a huge fag for tolerating this disrespectful temper tantrum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255415) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:39 PM Author: self-centered station gunner I am, although it is truly the only thing we fight about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255467) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:39 PM Author: impressive honey-headed private investor halford Is it normal for your parents to stay a full week? Is the issue that it will be just her and them during the weekdays? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255456) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:42 PM Author: self-centered station gunner They usually stay for like 5 days. I get home from work a lot later than she does....so on the Monday before Halloween she might need to entertain them without me for like 2 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255494) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: impressive honey-headed private investor halford Sucks that she hates your mom. Does she have a legit reason or does she just perceive everything as some slight against her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255651) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:57 PM Author: self-centered station gunner My mom can be a little high maintenance, but mostly just perceives everything as some slight against her.
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:59 PM Author: impressive honey-headed private investor halford Sorry, man. A spouse's job should be to foster and support their partner's relationship w/ her or her parents. Not to hinder or harm it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255695) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:40 PM Author: Supple Jew Not telling your wife was a bad move. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255475) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:42 PM Author: self-centered station gunner yes, looks to be the case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255498) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:47 PM Author: Disturbing amber wagecucks lol at this CUCK attitude. He did tell his wife. It's more than a month away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255562) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: rough-skinned personal credit line gc shrew expecting more than a months notice, worried about possibility of "ruining" gc hallmark candy company holiday. wife sounds like a soulless striver gc bot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34255626) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:10 PM Author: Self-absorbed Drunken Casino Hairy Legs Sorry Ma, my wife thinks you will ruin the holiday -- see you at Christmas ... maybe, it my wife thinks it is OK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260000) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:49 PM Author: henna bbw Sounds like the wife wants veto power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34256223) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Self-absorbed Drunken Casino Hairy Legs titcr. Asking permission for his mom and dad to visit their grandkids on a holiday for kids? Fuck that. He told her -- they are coming this week. Say, "I am around that week, if you are not, I can deal with them." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34259983) |
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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: high-end space My wife is completely capable of this and it's one of those times where You end up doing much better if you call her out and let her know you won't tolerate it. My wife's whole family is like this and it's really their most obnoxious trait. During that conversation you probably want to have a bone or two to throw her e.g. Let her know you're going to take off early and be home with your parents on whichever days you can so she doesn't have to be alone. Make a plan to go out on extra dates to some place she's excited to go and parents babysit, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34256194) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 3:35 AM Author: Pink insecure scourge upon the earth senate Ljl at being shackled to some annoying woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34257416) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:15 AM Author: frum plum telephone I have trouble wrapping my head around a grown ass woman complaining that "Halloween will be ruined" because the kids' grandparents will be there. If they really only see their grandparents three times a year, she needs to have the courtesy to be quiet and play nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34257697) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Duck-like Blue Mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260175) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 11:11 AM Author: multi-colored light liquid oxygen round eye have them stay at the house not a hotel.
your parents dislike her because they had an argument when your mom caught your dad fucking her? please... |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 11:11 AM Author: Rambunctious Place Of Business Degenerate It's not about not telling her, it's all about not including her in the conversation to begin with. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34258739) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 11:51 AM Author: Concupiscible Geriatric Masturbator You fucked up by not telling her.
Regardless of how she feels about your mother, you still fucked up by not telling her and letting her find out FROM YOUR DOTTER. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:03 PM Author: Kink-friendly Shivering Voyeur Parlor Your wife is angry she got over a month notice when your parents are coming to stay at a hotel and not even in your house over a meaningless holiday? Not only that, they will be there to help and bond with their grandchildren? Lol white women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34259919) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:11 PM Author: Self-absorbed Drunken Casino Hairy Legs Again, titcr. I can't believe people in this thread taking wife's side (he should have asked her permission!!) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260015) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:14 PM Author: lilac meetinghouse therapy "Ruined Halloween"
Tell your cunt of a wife to STFU. |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Duck-like Blue Mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260183) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:33 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Alcoholic Stage No, she's right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260324) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Talented cobalt french chef How is Halloween ruined by grandma going trick-or-treating with the kids? How are women so unbelievably self-centered? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34261133) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 2:58 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Alcoholic Stage Because she's probably shitty to the wife and she should have at least been consulted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34261211) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2017 2:04 AM Author: Talented cobalt french chef Wife gets to veto your parents? Nope. She needs to grow up. Wife is replaceable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34266152) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Translucent hyperactive kitchen reading party She sounds like an awful person. You should divorce her and go for full custody. But that's just the impression this story gives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260158) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Alcoholic Stage You dun goofed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34260302) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 2:58 PM Author: heady depressive trailer park When were you going to tell her yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34261213) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:27 PM Author: vivacious unholy useless brakes skinny woman Your response to your mom should have been "That sounds great and I think we are in town - let me just confirm with [wife] and get back to you. And things are a bit crazy so please ping me in a few days if you don't hear back." That is the answer any time either of your parents asks for something. You then should put it into a shared calendar you both have access to. (Which, even if you forgot to discuss with your wife, would have tipped her off, and which--even if she forgot--would let you say "BUT IT WAS ON THE CALENDAR AND YOU ACCEPTED!".) I'm pretty surprised you made it to having multiple kids without learning this. But I agree your wife going ballistic isn't appropriate given that your family is out of town and you didn't have any other plans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34263114) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: primrose hall gaming laptop so you tell family members to please ping you back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34263331) |
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Date: September 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Cerise patrolman market You need to tongue punch wife in her fart box tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3738157&forum_id=2#34263194) |