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North Korea usually fires its missiles at 4:00-6:00 PM EST. Trump will shoot it.
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: cheese-eating cerise stag film Exciting time brothers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380738) |
Date: October 6th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: deep philosopher-king Bob Woodward wrote a story during the latter bush years hinting that we had this capability. he didn't specify exactly what it was but a lot of military officials were pissed at him for breaking it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380752) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:00 PM Author: Idiotic Impressive Useless Brakes We do, but it's like 50% effective under ideal conditions. If NK fires when there's a storm over the launch areas or targets or if they fire decoys, we ain't hittin shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381103) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station Missile defense is a retards game. The interceptor missiles cost more than the missiles they are intercepting. It's a game the defender cant win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380822) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: cheese-eating cerise stag film This is all about ending the game that North Korea is playing. If the US successfully shoots down their missiles and promises to continue doing so, the regime might fall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380835) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: Provocative love of her life The N. Koreans were forced to eat grass and bark in the 90s. Possibly as many as 3.5 million of those fuckers died in the famine. Yet here we are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381160) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: fragrant medicated bawdyhouse kitty i think the case is still out on whether missile defense really works, but saying it is stupid because interceptors are more expensive than the missiles they intercept is a seriously moronic take. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380839) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: racy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380948) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: Sticky sweet tailpipe mediation Cr. Cringe-inducingly retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380975) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: Fluffy circlehead jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381030) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:01 PM Author: Idiotic Impressive Useless Brakes mfcr, it's like saying eating healthy food is stupid because it's more expensive than eating unhealthy food - you're shooting them down for the lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381107) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: Provocative love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381162) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:30 PM Author: vengeful buff hall gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381302) |
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Date: October 8th, 2017 5:32 PM Author: ocher disgusting principal's office Tbf, he made a valid point sound stupid. It does matter that the interceptors cost more than the missiles (including decoy missiles) when you’re dealing with a nation state that is capable of launching a bunch of missiles, which even that Potemkin gas station / gun shop / mafia den Russia can do.
But shooting down a few stray Nork missiles is the sweet spot for the system if it isn’t total vaporware as some suggest. |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: deep philosopher-king do the interceptor missiles cost more than the loss that would from the missiles hitting their intended targets? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380844) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: glittery pozpig goal in life Oh SHIT! They are more expensive? All North Korea has to do is build more missiles than our interceptors -- we will go broke! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380846) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station Basically, yes. A commie regime is a demonitized regime. They make missiles like Yankees make cheeseburgers. You don't want to go into missile for missile race with a slave state like N.Korea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380907) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: cheese-eating cerise stag film LMAO. Sounds like you're scared of BIG DADDY TRUMP shooting down Rocket Boy's tiny pink missiles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380912) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:35 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish lmfao explain how NK goes toe to toe with the American military industrial complex for more than 30 seconds |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: glittery pozpig goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380928) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station They will sit there and build a couple thousand nukes and ICBMs and you will do nothing and intecept will be impossible because it would cost like $3 trillion to intercept 1,000 missiles. Good luck with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380946) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: racy juggernaut (idiot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380951) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:37 AM Author: Twinkling Home Double Fault "A commie regime is a demonitized regime."
lol, the laws of economics still apply. Just ask someone waiting on line for bread in the USSR circa 1985. |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: racy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380956) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station The laws for output of killing machines are different. It's why Israel a tiny midget state but one with a fully nationalized defense industry is almost a defense superpower even without US inputs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380976) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish "even without US inputs" fucking lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380998) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:02 PM Author: Idiotic Impressive Useless Brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381119) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:13 PM Author: Costumed overrated church milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381179) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:46 AM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier Without US aid Israel would be entirely unimpressive. Don't forget that they only battle actual third world countries with terrible armies that tend to deploy their most expendable units. Same countries ANY western country would quickly destroy.
So consider a scenario where Israel, without the US delivering weapons but still light years ahead of NK, tries to pull off what you're suggesting. They would fail.
Now, you might have a better argument if you said "yeah, but if I were Russia or China, I would quietly supply them with missiles just so they waste US military funds". |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:37 AM Author: glittery pozpig goal in life In this scenario, are we not on the offense at all? Did NK neglect their interceptors because of cost? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380941) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:42 AM Author: fragrant medicated bawdyhouse kitty the idea you're trying to push russia as a "commie" or a "demonitized" country if FUCKING HILARIOUS. it's basically a monarchy at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380982) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:46 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station The slaves at Votkinsk will make nukes in exchange for free coffins. The mono-towns that make the weapons are still living in 1980 USSR mode. They are still closed cities. The machine tool inputs are all proprietary. No import dependencies. It's a closed cycle system to this day. The MIC workers are basically slaves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381010) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:48 AM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier Yeah, Russia isn't remotely Commie and it is embarrassing that anyone with any Russian background would even try to claim that. The Russian military has a military-industrial complex just like the US does with all the BS that comes with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381023) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:56 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station No it doesn't. The Russian MIC is entirely state owned. Plants operate on preset margins. The profit rate is legislated. And the reality is a large part of the industry still works on a demonitized barter basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381076) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:46 AM Author: Razzmatazz Abode Hissy Fit U.S. can't compete with that massive NK wealth amirite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381005) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station It has absolutely nothing to do with wealth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381016) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:49 AM Author: Razzmatazz Abode Hissy Fit Of course it does, if you are saying the cost of interceptors v. ICBMs matters.
It doesn't matter whether the wealth is denominated in currency. Resources is resources. |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:53 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station Think of it like this. 50 million Gooks are doing nothing but supporting a nuclear bomb plant. 50 million Yankees will never work 40 hours a week supporting interceptor output. That the US is wealthier is irrelevant. The economy is not structured to churn missiles like butter and the money you will waste trying will be orders of magnitude greater than the entire GDP of N.Korea in a decade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381057) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:56 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish the entire population of north Korea is 25 million they're going to starve before we run out of interceptors |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:57 AM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier You understand that mass producing missiles isn't just about (or even primarily about) having slave labor, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381084) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:58 AM Author: cheese-eating cerise stag film Stop trying to get are reptile to understand common sense. His communist Jew brain only understand brute force. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381089) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:01 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station That's the other beautiful bit. You can't stand up new production quickly. A missile production line with all the sub contracting takes 20 years to build. Doubling production takes fully a generation. Yankees have no more ability to double output in this specialized sphere than Gooks. Your stuck with the plants you have for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381113) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:03 PM Author: Costumed overrated church milk *civ4 are reptile stockpiling 300 workers to launch at enemies bc they're cheaper than icbms* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381122) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:16 PM Author: glittery pozpig goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381201) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:59 AM Author: Razzmatazz Abode Hissy Fit If the cost of nukes to intercepters were literally 1 to 1,000,000 then you'd have a valid point. But as long as our resources so vastly outweigh those of NK, I don't think a disparity in cost is a killer to a missile defense system. This is especially true if NK is already devoting so much GDP to military that they are starving, while the U.S. is rolling in fat.
To use the litigation analogy, some pro se idiot might be able to devote 3000 hours/year to filing suit against GE, but the fact that GE's lawyers cost more doesn't mean GE can't or shouldn't defend.
Now, if the interceptor system just doesn't work well enough, that might be a problem. |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: Idiotic Impressive Useless Brakes You realize if NK starts acquiring material to produce nuclear bombs at that rate, the US will just outbid them and buy all the material right? Unless you're arguing China/Russia will give NK nuclear material for free (Russia might, China won't because they share a border that fallout does not need a passport to cross), u dum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381135) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:02 PM Author: Idiotic Impressive Useless Brakes Forgot NK has all the necessary equipment and energy independence to not need money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381116) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:08 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station For core industrial functions they are energy independent. They have major hydro electrical plants. That the civilians live in the dark doesnt mean the arms plants are without power. Think like a commie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381144) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:13 PM Author: Tripping Mother Chapel If they shoot one missile we are nuking their ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381182) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:28 PM Author: racy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381288) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 6:11 PM Author: yapping motley faggot firefighter den Lol cr cr but then we could just demonetize our missile interceptor production and produce interceptors like cheeseburgers. What then bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34384011) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: Unholy Demanding Preventive Strike “The interceptor missiles cost more than the missiles they are intercepting. ”
Perhaps the value of Tokyo not being nuked is higher than the cost of the nuke? |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380859) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: chrome nudist messiness HOLY SHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380857) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: chrome nudist messiness "Litigation defense is a retard's game. The cost of hiring a defense attorney is more than the court's filing fee." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380861) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish lmao you're forgetting that our military budget is several orders of magnitude greater than their GDP it's like trying to use a match to heat up a refrigerator |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station You're forgetting that for a centrally planned commie state measures like GDP are meaningless. The US never came close to outproducing the Soviet defense industry. The Russkies built 48,000 nukes with 1/5th the GDP. It's a demonitized system where money is not used to pay for missiles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380930) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish state your IQ. NK doesn't have 1/100th of the raw resources the USSR had. you think if the pope declared total chaos communism that the Vatican would suddenly start shitting out missiles like a shrew after brunch? |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station It's a question of will and having slaves. The raw material input is not that big. The Soviets had/have only 1 ICBM factory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380959) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish lmao sure, and Julia could ace a theoretical physics class if she "just tried hard enough" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380996) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:48 AM Author: Razzmatazz Abode Hissy Fit And just look how poorly that worked out for the U.S.!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381021) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 6:15 PM Author: yapping motley faggot firefighter den Lol remind me what ultimately happened to the USSR, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34384036) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 10:39 AM Author: Flickering Citrine Theater Stage Jfc this is the worst self pwn of all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34387246) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 11:04 AM Author: Arousing sex offender locale Terrible logic. Reagan spent you into oblivion because you couldn't keep up, even at the cheaper labor rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34387340) |
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Date: October 8th, 2017 5:36 PM Author: ocher disgusting principal's office Yeah and now we all live under Soviet rule. :-( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34395340) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: exciting box office congrats on making one of the dumbest posts in the history of xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380957) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: racy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380962) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380970) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:42 AM Author: Sticky sweet tailpipe mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34380984) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381064) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: Exhilarant Blue Trust Fund Garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381149) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: vengeful buff hall gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381313) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 6:15 PM Author: supple keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34384037) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 6:16 PM Author: yapping motley faggot firefighter den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34384043) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 4:05 AM Author: Lemon dysfunction psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34386660) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 4:24 AM Author: marvelous poppy space windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34386684) |
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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:50 PM Author: Peach impertinent hunting ground cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34464196) |
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Date: October 12th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: Bespoke persian old irish cottage That's why police departments are giving up their bullet proof vests -- they're way more expensive than bullets. Better to let the cops die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34424503) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: Crawly Market i thoguht genreal missile doctrine was that "just a few have to get through", and ou can always spam more than they can defend? or is that soviet doctrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381013) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: cheese-eating cerise stag film That doctrine doesn't apply when the opponents are so obviously mismatched. Best case scenario N. Korea can launch two dozen nuclear-tipped missiles at a time. That's nowhere near enough to overwhelm the US' anti-missile defense systems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381031) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: transparent rehab haunted graveyard That's ARE Reptile's argumentation style actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381034) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:54 AM Author: Translucent orchestra pit death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381059) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:30 PM Author: racy juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381298) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:31 PM Author: Provocative love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381304) |
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Date: October 8th, 2017 5:36 PM Author: ocher disgusting principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34395342) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 11:56 AM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier True, but that assumes you have enough. NK doesn't have the resources to build enough to get the job done. Now, if Russia/China help then that changes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381074) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:13 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle amber station N.Korea not having the resources is flame. Nukes are simply not that complicated. Once the plants hit scale its basically a program you put on autopilot and sit back and enjoy. Getting to 2 ICBMs a month output should be well within their capability and that's 240 missiles in a decade. More than enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381178) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:15 PM Author: Bull headed odious field sound barrier You're not even doing a good job arguing your own position. If I had to make your (lousy) argument, I would say "you don't need to produce hundreds of nukes, you only need a few dozen nukes and a bunch of cheap decoys". The problem is that they can't even produce the decoys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34381199) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 10:42 AM Author: claret alpha (Raytheon Logistics Manager) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34387251) |
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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: cocky school cafeteria dragon Missile Defense won't work against Russia or China for the reasons mentioned, they can just spam ICBMs
Missile Defense can absolutely work against North Korea or Iran because they have a small number of rockets.
Recall Obama ran on a platform calling for abolishing the missile defense system, using all the standard lib talking points against it that ARE Reptile repeated. He in fact ended up expanding it. |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 4:00 AM Author: Flickering Citrine Theater Stage lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34386656) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 4:20 AM Author: marvelous poppy space windowlicker most embarrassing thread of 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34386676) |
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Date: October 7th, 2017 4:21 AM Author: beady-eyed chad base It would be retarded to reveal the strength of your missile defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34386680) |
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Date: October 12th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: yapping motley faggot firefighter den Ding ding ding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3755619&forum_id=2#34424479) |
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