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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:29 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction I started following soccer when my kids started to play. I grew to like the sport but don't know much about it. But it is beyond comprehension to me how the US cannot dominate CONCACAF -- or at least battle Mexico for dominance. It isn't like it is a niche sport here. Tons of kids play it. Even if youth soccer sucks in this country, you would think we would fall assbackward into some top talent occasionally, at least enough to not fear missing the WC due to losing to Trinidad and Tobago. Even if it were a niche sport, with our population and money we should still be a lock for the WC out of CONCACAF. I mean volleyball isn't our national sport and we can compete at a top level there. So what is it? Because I can't understand the failure here. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:30 AM Author: Brilliant Vibrant Market International Law Enforcement Agency this cycle is the result of playing players that are too old (dempsey, howard, bradley, etc) for too long. they all should have been dropped years ago, and it's a disgrace bradley has been allowed to shit all over the field for so long. it really is mind blowing. guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a us team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415721) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:34 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction That is basic stuff though. Management in any other sport would be fired on the spot for not moving along talent past its prime. The Phillies couldn't just run out the 2008 team in 2017 just because they were once good. Powers in soccer simply can't be that stupid -- maybe the young talent just isn't enough to replace those guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415734) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:37 AM Author: Brilliant Vibrant Market International Law Enforcement Agency no, the us soccer federation is that stupid. gulati is responsible for bringing back a coach who ignored at least 3 good players and continued to rely on dogshit old fart mlsers. they all should be fired.
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Hairraiser tan library bradley especially should've been dumped once his dad was fired. it had to have been fucking poisonous to have him moping around after that. plus he can't complete a pass to save his life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415881) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:04 AM Author: Brilliant Vibrant Market International Law Enforcement Agency cr. can't believe they wouldn't drop him for someone who just moves around more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415894) |
Date: October 11th, 2017 10:30 AM Author: cordovan juggernaut Who cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415718) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:32 AM Author: Lavender Bateful Filthpig Our youth players play far few hours under far less competitive conditions supervised by far less capable coaches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415725) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:33 AM Author: Gold incel goal in life cr
even ukraine has youth leagues and camps sponsored by the local professional teams, and they bring in a lot of coaches and trainers from Europe |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:37 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction Population of Trinidad and Tobago is 1.36 million. There have to be kids in youth soccer in the US who log as many hours as the kids in T&T-- just statistically. More kids in the US, I would think. I know we aren't a top soccer country in terms of youth programs, but Honduras? Panama? T&T? Jesus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415749) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:38 AM Author: Brilliant Vibrant Market International Law Enforcement Agency those TT kids play soccer all day, unsupervised, for fun, day in and day out. the mentality and skill is developed differently than the way usa youth soccer does it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415768) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:42 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction This is probably right. Inner city kids just go to the court to play basketball in the same way kids, 60 years ago used to meet up at a field, lot, etc. to play baseball. I don't see much pick-up soccer games happening -- it is all organized and overseen by soccer moms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415791) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:53 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate "soccer moms" tells you all you need to know.
the kids might as well be sitting through powerpoints at an HR meeting for all it has to do with a real sports culture. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:53 AM Author: Brilliant Vibrant Market International Law Enforcement Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415844) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:32 AM Author: Misanthropic field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416093) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: Out-of-control chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416103) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:50 PM Author: Bistre heady locus party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34417111) |
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Date: October 12th, 2017 10:00 AM Author: passionate high-end cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34423993) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:04 PM Author: zippy church becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416283) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: razzmatazz abode digit ratio :_(
Don’t focus too much on T&T - the US is a better team. Last night they just shat the bed due to poor coaching and effort
The problem is that our athletes generally receive inferior training from youth soccer on, combined with few opportunities to develop in good pro leagues, talent competition with other sports, etc |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: Balding dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416699) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:46 AM Author: cobalt goyim us soccer parents are paying $5K/year for their "elite" athletes to play under the tutelage of coaches who once played seventh tier professional soccer in england (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415810) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:47 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate you and your kids are the problem.
it's a "sport" of weak suburban dorks learning about "teamwork" in a highly structured setting ie being a soulless cog in a vapid machine just like mommy and daddy. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:52 AM Author: Jet-lagged up-to-no-good whorehouse nowag lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415831) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate real women send their daughters to be molested by slavic terrorists who will turn them into champions (dance, gymnastics, figure skating) and real men have abusive fathers living out their failed dreams (white football/baseball/hockey) or no father but the STREETS (nigs)
bill simmons claps like a seal for his dotter's soccer team.
that's the difference. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: ruby nighttime dingle berry marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416010) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: flirting erotic coldplay fan useless brakes damn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416337) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:16 PM Author: zippy church becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416375) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:17 PM Author: Big Macaca Ticket Booth This is one of those times where XO is spouting the truths you will never hear in the MSM that once you read it you're like "OK that's right and I couldn't quite find the words to articulate the point that bluntly, but it's really that simple. I'm just going to start saying that."
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:55 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction Misses the point. Just because my suburban white kids get a little exercise playing soccer doesn't mean shit as to the US can't field a decent team. Out of all those soulless cogs, we can't develop some players capable of beating Trinidad & Tobago? Bryce Harper probably played organized baseball since he was 6, how is that different? Not my kids, but some kids have to have innate talent in these soccer leagues all over the country.
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate "Out of all those soulless cogs, we can't develop some players"
this is an empirical question and we have the answer. soccer has been HUGE in this way (suburban dorks playing from a young age) for more than a generation. the talent never came out of that culture. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction But that really isn't the fault of suburban dorks like me. Why aren't their abusive dads demanding something more? Why aren't real soccer fans? You can have both -- dorks and real soccer culture (whatever that is). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415882) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:05 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate soccer fans are bourgeois libs in this country.
sportsNUTS who will breed and psychotically abuse talented children have other interests. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:20 PM Author: Big Macaca Ticket Booth CR. There are two concentric circles that don't overlap: 1) wagecucks, and 2) athletically gifted proles who have both the genetics and the psychotic drive to want to dominate everyone in the world when it comes to an athletic endeavor. Soccer gets zero kids from 2) because they all play basketball and football, and to a lesser extent baseball. 1) works fine for volleyball because no one gives a shit. Same for swimming and golf. But the rest of the world puts basically 100% of their 2)s toward soccer and we put 0%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418889) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:54 AM Author: opaque exciting base bbw cross country is a major fall sport even at private schools where kids have to play sports every season. let that sink in. students actually choose cross country over soccer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415847) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:55 AM Author: cobalt goyim they "choose" cross country for their college resumes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415853) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:56 AM Author: opaque exciting base bbw over soccer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415854) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: cobalt goyim because soccer requires actual skill. what's your IQ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415858) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: opaque exciting base bbw they actually choose to just run in circles instead of running in circles with a ball because they cant even pretend soccer is a sport worth playing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415870) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: cobalt goyim ljl. do you know soccer has cuts while any obese fattie can join cross country because there are an unlimited number of spots on the team? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415880) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:04 AM Author: opaque exciting base bbw (guy who doesn't realize theres more than one high school in america) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415895) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: cobalt goyim (guy who thinks high school cross country teams cut people) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415910) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: talented deranged reading party (guy who thinks most soccer teams cut people) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415979) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: greedy locale french chef I agree with this pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416095) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:00 AM Author: adventurous persian house Its over managed, isn't popular, and not played by our best athletes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415872) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:04 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate but to be clear it's HUGELY popular in the sense that every middle class plays in a rec league--and this has been true for some time.
its just that our soccer culture isn't a real sports culture. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:05 AM Author: cobalt goyim do you think messi is more athletic than jozy altidore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415899) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: adventurous persian house Imo Messi is the goat soccer player. I don't know if he could outrun or out jump Jozy for example but I bet he could out dribble him with a basketball, I bet he'd be a finer wide receiver, and he would just generally be more reliable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415934) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction Messi is 5'7" and not all that fast -- he would maybe make a fine wide receiver on a Division III team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415941) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: adventurous persian house He can also see openings in the field in a way some wanker like Jozy never could. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415956) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: cobalt goyim see? that doesn't require world-class athleticism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415976) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: talented deranged reading party It's laughable that you paint world class soccer players as unathletic slobs who just happen to have soccer specific skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416050) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: onyx messiness cr.
too many people limit their definition of a great athlete to very specific characteristics (i.e., fast twitch abilities such as speed and power).
messi is EXTRAORDINARILY athletic. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction Agree. But his athletic skills don't mean he would be great at every sport. I could see him being a good baseball player -- football, not so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415967) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: onyx messiness agreed 100% that skills that provide success in one sport don't necessarily translate to all others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416066) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: talented deranged reading party Right I've had this same conversation with probably the same pumo.
There's a base level of athleticism to being great at any sport. Then there are athletic talents (coordination, agility, etc.) that go way beyond run, jump, lift heavy weights).
It's If our basketball culture was akin to our soccer culture, Michael Jordan is a shitty low level baseball player. Lebron James is a really good TE.
It's not to say that Lebron, Westbrook and Bryce Harper would be top soccer stars. But think about all the kids who played football only and were maybe a good HS defensive back. Or all the kids who focused on baseball and were good HS middle infielders. Take all the kids who focused on basketball but were never great.
No other country has to deal with any of that when they're finding their soccer players. soccer is generally their only option for a legitimate team sport.
Obviously with our population we should still be able to come up with a team. But considering that it's a far and away 4th choice at best for team sports and those with the baseline of required strict athleticism (run and jump) to potentially be a great soccer players are likely going to stick in other sports, our population advantage is completely diminished. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:05 AM Author: Blathering maroon mother cr. in other countries, soccer is the sport that allows one to make the most money as a professional athlete, so it attracts the best athletes. in the us, those kids go to play basketball, baseball, and football because that's where the money is - not soccer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415901) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:07 AM Author: cobalt goyim you seriously think a 6'9" nba center would crush opponents in soccer, huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415912) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate there are guys sitting on the bench at middling football and basketball schools who could be all-world in soccer, yes. absolutely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415938) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: razzmatazz abode digit ratio :_(
Then those guys are currently making a serious financial mistake. “World class” in soccer means salaries in the millions, endorsements, etc. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate i mean it doesnt really work like that.
they grew up how they grew up.
i dont mean they could switch to soccer now and dominate. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: wine faggotry cr
the decision point is between being the stud jock in 8th grade, or hanging out with the 'soccer fags' |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: canary sinister idiot it's funny bc where i grew up, soccer wasn't popular to play, but every girl creamed her panties over the guys on the soccer team bc they were all really fit and had chaddy long hair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416146) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:52 AM Author: Rose address lolno soccer fags were always twinky losers, no girls wanted them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416207) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:08 PM Author: canary sinister idiot where you were
they were definitely popular and considered hot in my town |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Big Macaca Ticket Booth (guy who grew up in whitestville, connecticut) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418964) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: wine faggotry that's not the point
we have too many 5'9 kids trying to be NBA point guards (or more realistically, NFL RBs and WRs)
(if the goal is to be really good in soccer) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: Blathering maroon mother i am not talking about an outlier who is obviously suited for a particular sport, like a lanky 6'9" dude is for basketball. I am talking about athletic and motivated 6' kids who could focus on one of several sports and choose to focus on, e.g., baseball because it has the potential to pay a lot more than soccer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34415994) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: talented deranged reading party I don't even think it's a financial motivator. Kids in America just prefer football, basketball and baseball. What percentage of high school kids take up those 3 sports? Better yet, what percentage of plus athlete HS kids take up those three sports? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416065) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Blathering maroon mother you're probably right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416115) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Apoplectic Boltzmann Plaza The "it's not played by our best athletes" argument has been destroyed so many times, both on here and in real life.
It's not like Spain/Brazil/Germany are out there dominating with players who would be capable of playing NFL/NBA if they were only American. The Spain team of 2008-2013, one of the best national teams in history, was especially full of little 5'8" 150 pound white guys, none of whom were very fast. Athleticism clearly matters in soccer, but once you get above a pretty achievable baseline, skill and intelligence matter far more.
This is why when you look at the very best players in the world over, say, the last 20 years, very few of them probably could have made it professionally in an American sport. Only Henry and Ronaldo spring to mind. If someone like Messi were born in America he'd end up waiting tables, not playing in the NFL. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: talented deranged reading party You completely miss the point.
It's not about saying an all-star team of our best athletes would win the world cup.
It's about what athletic kids in America choose to play. Those 5'8" 150 lb. white guys playing for spain? In America, that's 4 all-county shortstops that played for good D3 baseball teams, 2 4th team all-state defensive backs dominating a rec flag football league at a state school and 4 point guards playing three years of varsity basketball and being the most popular guy at school. 0 of them will make a dollar playing sports. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: Clear Titillating Kitchen Dog Poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416196) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: Apoplectic Boltzmann Plaza I argued against the point that "our best athletes don't play soccer" and you countered by mentioning D3 baseball players.
Are you making the point that we would be better at soccer if all of the guys who won't quite make it in football or baseball had devoted themselves to soccer? Sure, I agree. And we'd be better at baseball if all of the guys who won't quite make it in soccer had instead devoted themselves to baseball.
I was a three sport athlete in HS and played college soccer. Athleticism is not at all in short supply in American college soccer. Of course we'd be better if we had more generally athletic people playing soccer instead of other sports (something that can be said about all sports), but that's a different point than saying "our best athletes don't play soccer." |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Big Macaca Ticket Booth He's saying there isn't a sports culture that's obsessed with soccer and leads to millions of American kids spending ages 7-14 playing soccer at a 200 hours/month clip like they're biglaw associates because they are completely obsessed with it. The only kids that do it at all do it for like 4-6 hours a week at most, and then spend the rest of their time being wagecuck spawn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418996) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: greedy locale french chef absolutely cr
and as OP kinda points out: the US should be able with its size and $ and kids now playing since 1990s fall ass backwards into a squad of 10-15 elite players ... at the least enough to be consistently fighting with everyone in any match
and they *were* at that point it seemed somewhere around 2010 maybe? 2002 quarterfinals seems so far away.
I have no idea what the problem is but the United States needs a space program like investment. There's some good trends: less kids interested in football and still even more in soccer. But they need to play a style--seriously the USA plays no particular brand of soccer that I can identify, whereas it's clear for Euro and S.A. teams--and they need a consistent coach and better developmental programs. From what I understand even our U-18 type teams struggle in their own World Cups, although the U-17s I think just made it past one knockout round game.
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:46 AM Author: adventurous persian house Except for specific positions, basketball and football require specifically retarded physical dimensions that make this conversation by and large silly. Messi could be waiting tables but he could also be muggy bogues.
Those little Spaniards come from the absolute best pool of athletes in Spain and are groomed and weeded from when they are 7. Yes I think many of them would be good at tennis or diving or gymnastics or some other faggot sport that requires endurance, coordination, etc etc |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:35 AM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic The only valid point you have is it's not popular.
Yes kids play in rec leagues and even travel leagues but it's not the same as elsewhere where kids are playing all the time casually and then at an elite level at an academy.
Athleticism is not the issue. In fact it has always been over emphasized in US soccer to our detriment. Skills, instincts and strategy are far more important or at least are severely lacking in US soccer.
I dont even know what you mean by overmanaged. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: mischievous half-breed location isn't it simple really? the more athletic kids in the US gravitate towards football, basketball, or baseball at an early age. if a Russell Westbrook (and 20 others like him) spent all of his time working on his soccer skills rather than basketball, we dominate the World Cup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416070) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:37 AM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic You realize athletic black peolple have been playing soccer for a really long time right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416122) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: mischievous half-breed location sure. but how does this contradict my point? i think generally US athletes are superior than in any other country. unfortunately, the best of the best athletes in the US don't play soccer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416142) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:43 AM Author: talented deranged reading party It's not even the best of the best athletes. Guys who have the option to make any of the other teams aren't focusing on soccer. You're missing out on such a huge range of able bodied kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416161) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:14 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic lol please stop.
Example, my HS soccer team also had the pg of the basketball team. He was equally good in both sports.
Also had the top running back on the football team who his junior and senior year eschewed football for soccer.
Also had the power forward from the basketball team who was a standout bball player but and absolute garbage soccer player.
Also had the top lax player in the school who was a jv benchwarmer as a junior for soccer.
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: talented deranged reading party ok, are those kids putting in the time to be a world class soccer player? That's the entire point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416385) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic That's a different point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416571) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: talented deranged reading party Not really. Good athletes aren't focusing on soccer. That's exactly the point. Because there are other options for good athletes that they like as much or better. Whereas in other countries, every kid is playing soccer only from a young age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416594) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:38 PM Author: Apoplectic Boltzmann Plaza Explain how this makes any fucking sense when virtually no one who plays for Spain (De Gea, Pique and Ramos excepted) would have been considered a "good athlete" had they grown up in the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34417016) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:45 PM Author: alcoholic salmon sandwich you need to start playing from a young age to develop the skills. that's long before you can tell a kid is going to have the physique to compete in football, basketball, baseball or hockey, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34417069) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 2:22 PM Author: talented deranged reading party This is the height of stupidity. You think that a team full of world class athletes wouldn't have been considered athletic kids? Just stop, this is ridiculous.
Again, you're making it sound like world class soccer players couldn't run from here to there without falling over until they trained with soccer coaches. That's stupid. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:08 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic There are 300 million people in the US. Using your premise that generally Americans are the best athletes, enough top US athletes focus on soccer that athleticism isn't the issue.
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:45 AM Author: Lavender Bateful Filthpig This is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416175) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: appetizing amethyst resort this is really wrong. even if you accept that all the top athletes go into NBA/NFL/MLB, which is not true, the dudes leftover should still be WAY more athletic than whatever trinidad and tobago can produce. there's more to soccer than just beastly athleticism. look at the best soccer players--messi wouldnt have a chance at most other sports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416201) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: Blathering maroon mother right but those leftover kids have no soccer skills, which are acquired by playing all the time since early childhood, which is what all those T&T and all euro and south american kids do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416225) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:01 PM Author: appetizing amethyst resort there are plenty of kids playing soccer in the us, thats not the problem. its the approach and the passion which are lacking in the us. point is, no, a team of russell westbrooks would not make the us automatically competitive, particularly without any structural change to the system. its not like basketball where you can be a physical freak and just be the best in the game one year after picking it up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416256) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:04 PM Author: talented deranged reading party "its not like basketball where you can be a physical freak and just be the best in the game one year after picking it up"
lol, you it seems, don't know shit about sports. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: mischievous half-breed location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416304) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:07 PM Author: appetizing amethyst resort lol dude all sorts of athletic dudes from africa are five star recruits in college after picking up the ball not long before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416311) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:15 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic dude is trolling because he knows soccermos will get triggered by the "athletic kids dont play soccer" schtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416373) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: Clear Titillating Kitchen Dog Poop Joel Embiid ring a bell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416325) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:47 PM Author: cobalt goyim uhh, there's a guy on the bucks who is one of the best 10 in the world after picking up a basketball in 2007 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416640) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: Exhilarant area dysfunction Also my original issue is not "why aren't we dominating the world" I am not even talking about USA becoming a soccer powerhouse. I want to know why getting out of CONCACAF should be a struggle. Again, we should be able to fall assbackward into talent sufficient to make the WC easily every 4 years even though a lot of the "best" kids chase money in other sports and even if we have a sissy soccermom culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416227) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:02 PM Author: appetizing amethyst resort i agree, its embarrassing. cant believe these turds thought bruce arena was the answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416263) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:03 PM Author: talented deranged reading party Because it's not a matter of ok, take out the MLB, NBA and NFL guys and there should be plenty left.
What percentage of kids in America put in any time to legitimately play soccer in a way where they could turn into a competitive soccer player? 15% maybe? Of those kids, how many are stolen away at an extremely young age to one of the other 3 big sports that are more popular? Safe estimate? 80%?
It's not even percentages. Kids with the option to play football basketball and baseball play those three from a very young age. You're not getting kids focusing non-stop on soccer throughout their youth like you do in every other soccer playing country. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: mischievous half-breed location cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416302) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: magenta foreskin it's not just a question of whether the kids are going into NBA/NFL/MLB. the fact that those are the dominant leagues in america trickles down. there is more money in developing those athletes because there is more money at the top and in those "industries" as a whole, and there is more interest in pursuing those sports because that's what kids have been watching since they were five.
the best US athletes are putting the majority of their time and focus elsewhere, and once they decide to specialize in soccer (which is probably at a relatively late age because there's not as clear a path to a career) the development system just isn't top-notch. the US might have good resources for athletic development vs. a trinadad in general but once you account for drainage of talent into other sports and a worse development system for soccer, it puts you at the level of a poorer/less populous country with a much greater focus on soccer. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: canary sinister idiot Soccermos, if my kid shows skill early on, if I ship him to Europe to play on a youth league, assuming he can actually play for a youth league, what is the average outcome salarywise
like obviously pro soccer players outearn pro tennis players by an order of magnitude, #100 in the world in tennis barely breaks even, but #five billion in soccer is still playing for a pro team in europe
no way would i support my kid trying to go pro in tennis no matter how good he is bc it's a virtual impossibility given the economics of tennis, you have to be top 20 in the world or so to make it worth it |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: Coiffed flushed theatre karate outcome is he comes home from barcelona literally a lisping soccer faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416135) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:42 AM Author: canary sinister idiot but i'm a lisping tennis faggot so not terribly concerned if i have a flamboyantly closet gay son who speaks catalan and has earned millions of dollars and been raped by a cadre of kiev 10s who wanted dat soccer d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416156) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:52 AM Author: Odious magical jew cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416211) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:51 AM Author: appetizing amethyst resort drop him off at a Rio favela and let do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416205) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: cobalt goyim there is almost a 100% chance he'll be a professional if he wants. there are like 30 tiers of soccer in england. every other european country has a similar pyramid. the lower tiers obviously pay squat though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416653) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:45 PM Author: Boyish garrison Only the top 4 tiers in the football league system are fully professional. The next three (Conference National and Conference North and South) are semi-pro in that some players will be paid but many only get expenses. Below that its all amateur. And the England is unusual in having so many professional levels.
If you look at the youth development teams of famous clubs, say Manchester United, then of the 20 odd 16yo players 1-2 might get a game with the firsts or another PL team, a few others will score professional contracts with lower league teams but the rest will never be paid to play soccer. And these were kids who were the absolute most promising players a few years earlier. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: cobalt goyim there is almost a 100% chance he'll be a professional if he wants. there are like 30 tiers of soccer in england. every other european country has a similar pyramid. the lower tiers obviously pay squat though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416674) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:43 PM Author: Apoplectic Boltzmann Plaza Given the number of people playing the sport, soccer actually might be the very hardest sport in which to make it as a top level pro.
Premier League players are like top 0.5% among pro soccer players and even they average PL players don't make that much (like $5 million) and generally have short careers at the top. Only the top 0.01% types (the legit superstars who are household names in Europe) are making the kind of money you'd make as an average MLB stating pitcher. Only Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar make NBA max contract type money. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:04 PM Author: Thriller Black Woman The American system for the development of athletes does not work well for soccer (or tennis for that matter). In other countries, people do not rely on school activities to develop their sporting talents. At a very young age the talented kids are selected by teams/club operated by pro teams. These junior clubs have a strong monetary incentive to develop kids into future stars for their club (or to sell them to richer clubs in their country or abroad in Europe). This is all happening when these kids are in their early teens or even pre-teens. The kids don't go to school (at best they have some tutors).
People complain about the suburban soccer moms, but for the most part, many (if not most) USMNT players come from relatively humble backgrounds that are far from soccer-mom culture. The real impediment to developing the system used abroad is how Americans view youth sports (amateur and related to a school) and how our professional leagues are set up (parity; no buying and selling of contracts or "owning" youth player contracts). Ironically, the socialist sissies in Europe (and other places abroad) have developed a ridiculously ruthless and efficient capitalist business model for soccer. The system is especially necessary for a sport like soccer where vision, touch, and tactics need to be developed at a very early age. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic Tcr. However, in the US lots of top youth tennis players live at an academy and do an alternative home schooling type thing worked around their training and tournament schedule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416341) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: mischievous half-breed location in the US, the kids who get cut from the football or basketball teams end up playing soccer. the football/basketball kids make fun of the soccer kids. it's a culture thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416390) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: lime hominid wrinkle We have the horses but not the coaching/player development infrastructure. End of story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416566) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic Nor the culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416574) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: alcoholic salmon sandwich kids with natural athletic talent play other sports. then they grow up and they're too short for basketball or too wispy for football but they never built up the basic soccer skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34416694) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:47 PM Author: Jet-lagged up-to-no-good whorehouse nowag cr, it's actually hilarious that all these people grow up playing basketball and then, just based on height alone, 99% are immediately eliminated from consideration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34417093) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 1:53 PM Author: alcoholic salmon sandwich I can think of lots of friends who were talented at a bunch of shit as kids then maxed out at 5'9". When that happens you can't fall back in to a highly technical sport like soccer. Imagine trying to do that with hockey when you can't even skate. The skill levels are similar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34417125) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: Vermilion aromatic dilemma psychic The only people who ever say this are nonathletes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418384) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: appetizing amethyst resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418389) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: mischievous half-breed location no, its actually the opposite. those who deny that kids with superior athletic ability in the US opt to play football, baseball, or basketball at an early age and reject soccer are the nonathletes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418400) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: alcoholic salmon sandwich Tell me about your college baseball career bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418403) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: white doctorate office Stuffing your face with cheesesteaks isn't a sport, tubby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418633) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:34 PM Author: lilac coffee pot stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34419001) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:45 PM Author: Dark patrolman someone in another thread said it costs $6000/yr to play soccer in the us. so maybe the reason is class based. kids who play soccer are umc and have a high probability of a 100k 9-5 and don't seriously consider investing much into the chance at a short career as an athlete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34418662) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 4:52 PM Author: magenta foreskin soccer is extremely cheap to play and has comparable youth-level participation to other popular sports like baseball (even considering males only)
the reason it costs more than it should at the more competitive teen level is because highly competitive soccer isn't as widely available because it isn't as widely popular. relatively weaker talent development system and lower demand are the more immediate causes. just isn't as much money in the soccer talent development industry. |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 5:35 PM Author: lilac coffee pot stain the real reason is nearly every top nation and club has a doping regime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3760697&forum_id=2#34419006) |
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Date: October 11th, 2017 11:35 PM Author: Boyish garrison Euro and South American kids play pickup soccer games as soon as they can walk.
Then they play soccer every lunchtime at school, after school for hours and all day every weekend.
Then if they are top 0.01% players they get recruited around age 9 into the youth development squad of a professional team and they play soccer for hours every day under the supervision of ex-pro players and professional coaches.
By the time they are 15-16 and ready to play in U18 or pro league reserve teams they will have literally played tens of thousands more hours of soccer than US kids, got the benefit of far better coaching and the knowledge that they are literally playing for their future livelihoods in a ruthless up or out system. |