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Classic example of German (over??) Engineering here - Porsche Cayenne

You can read the whole article below which goes into all the...
Drab hunting ground
  10/17/17
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Drab hunting ground
  10/17/17
TMF rate this video of new Cayenne interior https://www.y...
Drab hunting ground
  10/22/17
Looks nice but hate that it won't have self-driving features...
Vigorous Naked Range Ape
  10/22/17
explain why you would prefer GLE over cayenne? if you want r...
Drab hunting ground
  10/22/17
GLE self-driving features are like 90% of the Model X. Plus...
Vigorous Naked Range Ape
  10/22/17
holy fuck. no wonder europeans laugh at our drivers and driv...
Drab hunting ground
  10/22/17
If you drive in NYC you are a top 1% driver globally but hal...
soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease
  10/22/17
Not sure why they would laugh at us, considering most of the...
Vigorous Naked Range Ape
  10/22/17
they are not laughing at us for the cars we drive but for ou...
Drab hunting ground
  10/22/17
I would, because I drive much more than most Euros. The US ...
Vigorous Naked Range Ape
  10/22/17
Drive times are like 3x longer in the US. It's not a fair co...
soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease
  10/22/17
The lack of normal gauges on Teslas is an auto ding. Fuck th...
soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease
  10/22/17
you are really not going to like the model 3 then which look...
Drab hunting ground
  10/22/17
It's retarded. It's not hip. It's just stupid. Plus, they st...
soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease
  10/22/17
I don't get why you care about this. A bunch of cars are go...
Vigorous Naked Range Ape
  10/22/17
It's the location. The model 3 has no display in the driver ...
soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease
  10/22/17
Land Rover had active roll bars in 1999. Porsche has given...
cyan razzle station
  10/29/17


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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

You can read the whole article below which goes into all the fancy stuff that Porsche does indepth but what caught my attention was their roll bar setup. Instead of just a regular hydraulic roll bar Porsche went and added an electrically actuated roll bar with a motor so that it wont sap power from the engine

No wonder Porsches pwn everything else. The downside is that if there is ever a problem you are fucked with all this complicated engineering and components making repairs very costly

https://jalopnik.com/all-the-crazy-engineering-details-that-make-the-2019-po-1819386075

The last generation Porsche Cayenne had a similar system, but it was electro hydraulically-actuated and sapped power from the engine at all times thanks to the always-on pump. Plus, it took a bit of time to react

But for 2019, the Cayenne gets a dedicated 48 volt system whose sole job it is to manage body roll through the electromechanical roll stabilization system. The way it works, as Bittner shows me, is it uses a motor and a three-stage planetary gear reduction to rotate one half of the anti-roll bar relative to the other. Both of these halves, which are rather stiff compared to a conventional sway bar, are mounted to the stationary subframe near the center, and at the end to a link that hooks to the car’s moving suspension arm.

During body roll (which is detected by a number of onboard sensors), one side’s control arm wants to move up (relative to the subframe) more than the other control arm does; to prevent this, the active roll stabilization essentially uses the other half of the sway bar to pull up the control arm on the other side, which yanks the body body down flat.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34464702)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 5:09 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34464831)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

TMF rate this video of new Cayenne interior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkMCbhJAjU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506764)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:22 PM
Author: Vigorous Naked Range Ape

Looks nice but hate that it won't have self-driving features. Also, suspect the GLE will be the better bet in the same segment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506774)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:28 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

explain why you would prefer GLE over cayenne? if you want real self driving features then Tesla Model X is probably the way to go. I love driving cars so I dont need that level of self driving capability. All I need is active cruise control, blind spot monitoring and rear view camera

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506818)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Vigorous Naked Range Ape

GLE self-driving features are like 90% of the Model X. Plus, I'm concerned about Tesla's reliability, the crazy cost, and the feasibility of dealing with charging on long road trips. Also concerned about their viability as a company over the long run. Still, they're an option.

GLE is cheaper both to buy and maintain for equivalent trims/levels of performance and I don't see any real benefit from the Porsche (but see some from the Mercedes, like the self-driving features).

I drive a lot so I really value the option of letting the car take over and letting me check my email or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506832)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:35 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

holy fuck. no wonder europeans laugh at our drivers and driver certification

*I want a car but also want to eat my sandwich and play my guitar while driving it*



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506852)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease

If you drive in NYC you are a top 1% driver globally but half the US driving population literally can't parallel park so yeah American drivers are not the best....

A bunch of states don't even have a parallel parking requirement on their road tests anymore. Those people would literally not last one day driving in NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506876)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:42 PM
Author: Vigorous Naked Range Ape

Not sure why they would laugh at us, considering most of them drive shit cars. Don't forget that a Mercedes/Porsche costs significantly more there with the various taxes (like 3x more) and that gas also costs 3x more. A bunch of the people driving these cars are insanely wealthy and only driving them for fun.

I'm generally driving because I'm going to work, on a road trip, etc. Sometimes I want to have fun as I drive but sometimes I want to have the car drive and do whatever I want to do (especially in traffic). Why is this hard to comprehend?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506890)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:47 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

they are not laughing at us for the cars we drive but for our TTT driving habits - drinking/eating while driving, not using the fast lane only for overtaking etc

here you are saying you would like to check your emails while driving

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506916)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:51 PM
Author: Vigorous Naked Range Ape

I would, because I drive much more than most Euros. The US is a much larger country and we tend to use public transportation far less. We also have busier jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506938)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:55 PM
Author: soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease

Drive times are like 3x longer in the US. It's not a fair comparison. Also Europeans make half the money we do or less and would act like us if they weren't all poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506960)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:36 PM
Author: soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease

The lack of normal gauges on Teslas is an auto ding. Fuck that giant screen BS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506857)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:39 PM
Author: Drab hunting ground

you are really not going to like the model 3 then which looks like SHIT

*Is a Tesla interior designer, plugs a giant IPAD and steering wheel, goes home*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506878)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:41 PM
Author: soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease

It's retarded. It's not hip. It's just stupid. Plus, they still haven't sorted their voice recognition. My Mazda has better voice recognition than the model 3 which has none right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506887)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:40 PM
Author: Vigorous Naked Range Ape

I don't get why you care about this. A bunch of cars are going all digital displays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506882)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:43 PM
Author: soul-stirring frozen tanning salon mad cow disease

It's the location. The model 3 has no display in the driver location at all. It's off center and legit insane that you have to turn your head to the right to get a speed reading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34506893)



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Date: October 29th, 2017 5:39 AM
Author: cyan razzle station

Land Rover had active roll bars in 1999. Porsche has given up any pretense of its SUVs as off-road vehicles. Staggered wheels on an SUV? Basically they are now just trying to make the SUVs handle like sports cars.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766929&forum_id=2#34552574)