They're just a pile of cells like you or me! Eat up!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34475817)

what about being a korean app slut being fucked by nyuug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34475826)

they feel they are homeless.

unless relationship was terrible, divorce is selfish and for the mom and or dad, not for the children.

your future GFs, BFs will innately want to kill and/or fuck your children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34475795)

i just want justice and truth. and beauty. and i bemoan all the terror of life sometimes.

thats pretty much my shtick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34475820)

you can beat your wife, but you can't leave her. if you have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34475827)

This is just XO being stupidly doctrinaire about a complex issue, like usual. You fuck your kids up by staying if your relationship with your wife is toxic enough. And even if you stay in good shape and pull chicks, enjoy all the new-found freedom, and you have enough money to enjoy life it's still shitty to have the person who was the center of your life grow to hate you. And it's completely devastating if your adult kids take her side and cut you off (which is what happened to one of my work friends).

The bottom line is that if you get married and have kids you need to work very hard to make the marriage good and keep it that way because all the alternatives from that point forward are way fucking worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478127)

We do hate masculine, ruined megashrews who have given up their femininity for trivial gc bullshit. It is not women we hate. These Shrews have nothing in common with women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476357)

Men give up lots of things for trivial GC bullshit, too. Do we equally criticize those men?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476696)

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2013/06/06/are-divorce-courts-unfair-to-men/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476744)

Now that women generally see having a career as beneficial beyond it being a necessity in order to gain and maintain material wellbeing, can us men finagle that not working and being a house husband constitutes sacrificing for the benefit of wife and family?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477779)

As they become more successful they often look for a mate who is equally or more successful, in addition to other characteristics they might desire, and that drastically reduces the amount of available men, which starts to make it exceedingly hard for them to find a man who wants them back out of that small pool.

This is compounded by the fact that successful men often don't care much about having a wife who has a successful career, in large part because those men are already successful and the marginal value of more career success in a household is low. I.e., women and men look for different things in a mate.

I mean, if I'm a biglaw partner pulling down $2M per year, am I really gonna look for a workaholic shrew making $500k, $1M or $2M per year, or would I rather have someone hot, who takes care of all the other shit that I don't have the time to address, and who can raise a loving family with me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477958)

Women with children tend to focus less on work, or bow out entirely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477970)

But you can still be reasonably successful with children, particularly if you've achieved some success before having them and can come to some amenable work arrangement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477992)

I imagine its the same in other professional fields at the very apex, e.g for female surgeons.

EDIT: googled:

"However, not surprisingly, Kin found that the exceptional demands of surgery affected women’s careers and family trajectories differently than men’s. Twenty-five percent of female surgeons are single, compared to only 6 percent of male surgeons. Similarly, Kin discovered that 60 percent of female surgeons have children versus 92 percent of male surgeons."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478045)

Is this right? Or is a lot of the effect that female surgeons also look for/marry successful partners and not house husbands who will pick up slack at home?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478082)

Fixed it for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478017)

And I say that as someone who thinks women can be really selfish and narcissistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478050)

That being said, I have no idea how my marriage is going to survive having two kids. No idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478185)

We never went to marriage counseling. By the way, I fucking hate counseling, but I was serious about going - now, what's the point of trying to push her to go when she doesn't want to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34478937)

This last weekend was awful, just screaming and yelling at any perceived slight. She broke into an anger/panic three separate times over the weekend that ended in tears. The first was because I took my mother fishing for two hours, like I said I was going to do and she agreed was a good idea (the house was messy and it was stressing her out). The second was because I took longer to mow the lawn that what I said it would by about 30 minutes (I never do what I say I'll do), and the last time it was because I was cleaning a different room than what she wanted (I never do what I say). Bear in mind, I'm cleaning, maintaining the house, watching our kid while she spends the majority of the day watching TV and sleeping.

So, I took all this in stride - there's no arguing with someone who is totally out of control of their emotions. It's funny, we never make up, there's no forgiveness or mutual understanding of the problem, she just loses steam, is not longer mad, and then we go on with our lives like it never happened. It almost doesn't matter that she's mad -the smallest things send her into anger/panic, and she snaps out of it fairly quickly (no more than an hour or two), so I just don't engage at all and simply get our daughter and go on a walk when she is super out of control.

To be a good guy, i set up a nice pregnancy massage for Tuesday for her, and told her I did it because she seemed really stressed. That seemed to help a little, she was in a better mood today.

While I can keep my cool during these frequent outbursts, the insane schedule I'm keeping together with dealing with this madness whenever I'm not working is driving me mad. The only thing that helps is booze, and I'm drinking waaaay more than I should - on a daily basis, Wife goes to sleep at 730 every night, daughter is usually down for the count by 830-900, that leaves me 2 or so hours a night for myself, and I find myself just inhaling booze for those few hours.

I'm hoping things will change for the better after the new baby?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34479169)

She loved her dog but never took responsibility for caring for it. Her parents would walk the dog and pick up after it.

She stated that she hated doing housework, although when we were dating and engaged she still did housework. Towards the end of the engagement and into the marriage, she was resentful if she had to do even routine housework. She expected to be picked up after and cared for, and I found out towards the end of our engagement that her parents regularly came to her house unannounced to clean her house, mow her lawn, etc.

The biggest sign was that, despite being very hot, there were zero men in her life. There was not one guy who was calling, no one emailing, no one. I asked friends about this, and most of them said about the same thing: guys couldn't put up with her bullshit.

One thing that sticks in my mind was, one night after we had gotten engaged, we were out with a big group, and I was talking to a girl who was a friend/ acquaintance of hers, and the girl says to me something along the lines of: do you know what you're doing, this girl is seriously crazy, you need to know she's out there. Everyone says things like that, but the way she said it stuck with me.

Those are the signs I remember that I regret now ignoring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34486823)

This only applies if you have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476812)

But with two kids under 5 the world changes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476823)

The only time I think its justifiable is where the parents publicly hate each other so much that they are already making the kids lives a living hell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34476847)

Its dysfunctional, destroys families, and has contributed to the moral rot/decay of america

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477773)

“I fell out of love with my spouse and started having sex with someone else” is not a legit basis when you have kids. That just means you’re selfish and give up easily when the going gets tough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477813)

Divorce should be reserved for cases of severe abuse etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477913)

I echo the thoughts of most other poasters on this issue. It's one thing if a couple has no kids (even though I think the idea of vows are important), but once a married couple has kids, their job is to work together for the good of the family, and yes that includes dealing with their petty bullshit.

Obviously in cases of abuse or whatever I agree that divorce is the better option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34477975)

It's a bit unrealistic to say that it's better to stay together for the kids when the people who are stuck in unhappy marriages tend to have at least one partner who is incapable of creating a stable environment for the kids. And it doesn't need to be obvious like abuse. It could be never coming home from work because you just don't want to be around your spouse or kids, it could be your mom locking herself in her room crying for hours because she is overwhelmed, etc. those things traumatized children just as much. I just think a truly unhappy (versus an indifferent one where you basically have a roommate) marriage where the people truly have conflict means a toxic environment by default and it's wishful thinking to think the couple can suck it up and be civil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34479291)

dont get married unless youre 100% sure you and partner are both suited for it, but once youre married, you should be committed to making it work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768260&forum_id=2#34479347)