Why can't you pay student loans with pre-tax dollars?
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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:01 PM Author: Azure bossy deer antler
Australia DOES NOT do this.
Loans to students by the government (called HELP loans) are paid back by a levy on your taxable income that only kicks in once you reach a certain income level.
So for example, someone earning A$55,000 pays an extra 4% levy on their taxable income with that 4% reducing their HELP loan balance.
This means the repayment is coming out of post-tax income: its income you would otherwise have received but which instead goes to the government.
If you take out private loans to fund further study then the interest MAY be tax deductible if the purpose of the study is to improve your earning prospects in your current field of work. If its to train for an entirely new field its not deductible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491153) |
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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:30 PM Author: aqua heaven
"Point is, it’s not the place to just inject free market principles into higher ed"
Public universities should be free or nearly free as they are in many civilized nations. The federal government isn't "distorting" the market, it is applying a band-aid to the problem of state legislatures continually raising the cost of higher education beyond what most ordinary citizens can afford. The main purpose of universities should be to prepare citizens to compete in the economy, not for absurd amenities, residences, sports, etc.
And it's insult to injury that the federal government itself preys on students too with the policies mentioned ITT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489342) |
Date: October 20th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Lilac Flatulent Cruise Ship
because the government wants to get paid twice
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488943)
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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:42 PM Author: aqua heaven
We already do that. Cost and changing the culture of American higher education are far more intractable problems.
This addresses loan repayment. Default rates continue to rise and student loans are the biggest form of consumer debt. This would encourage repayment and lower defaults.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489435)
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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
But it doesn't just address loan repayment. It must address education cost as a whole or else the policy has a YUGE flaw in it (people not paying for education up front).
What they should do is allow the loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy. LOL at any loans being given out then.
You won't recognize/admit that a huge part of the problem is that we don't need to be sending every kid to 4 years of partying/studying dumb shit for 10s of thousands of dollars a year.
Until you recognize that, your analysis of it is misguided and not worth listening to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489519) |
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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:00 PM Author: aqua heaven
"You won't recognize/admit that a huge part of the problem is that we don't need to be sending every kid to 4 years of partying/studying dumb shit for 10s of thousands of dollars a year."
I not only recognize this, I agree completely. Like I said, cost and culture are separate issues and can't be addressed with a single policy. You think Congress could write a law tomorrow that no universities should cost more than $20k/year? Or that idiots with a 2.7 GPA shouldn't go to UC Santa Cruz and study art history?
It's pie in the sky thinking to think that is remotely achievable overnight.
My analysis is far more narrow. People should be able to pay for education tax-free. It'll never happen because we're nothing more than infinitesimal components in long-term government revenue projections that include getting taxed up-front, then paying penurious penalties for 25 fucking years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489580) |
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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:31 PM Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib
Education should be treated like other investments.
Interest and tuition should be deductible.
Bankruptcy should be available.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491357) |
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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib
"We really don't need to be encouraging more people to waste tens of thousands of $$$ on pointless education."
That's where bankruptcy comes in.
Reintroduce loan dischargeability and create some level of claw back against the colleges that fail to produce productive graduates.
The sting of disgorged money will convince colleges to make reforms.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491352) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib
College should be treated like other business investments.
And, as with other business investments, the debt should be dischargeable in bankruptcy.
When the threat of bankruptcy looms, lenders (including the feds) will be more prudent and put pressure on colleges to not be such spendthrift, irresponsible fuckups. And, if necessary, we can create some sort of partial clawback from colleges to tighten the incentives link.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401675) |
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