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Why can't you pay student loans with pre-tax dollars?

Australia does this AFAIK. Why the fuck can't we?
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Australia DOES NOT do this. Loans to students by the gove...
Azure bossy deer antler
  10/20/17
there should be little in the way of government support for ...
twisted beady-eyed indian lodge
  10/20/17
get your fucking pea-brained libertarian horseshit out of my...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
lol? They’re subsidizing the entire education system, includ...
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
7.5% interest, they're not subsidizing anything, brother.
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
No one else would give these kids loans. What I should say i...
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
"Point is, it’s not the place to just inject free marke...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
They are distorting the market by guaranteeing the loans.......
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
And yet they still turn a profit at the current rates.
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Nah bro https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
"Under FCRA accounting procedures, the federal student ...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Yup not like the government's accounting might be misleading...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
DoE says 40%+ of borrowers behind on payments
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
Yup not like the government might have actual reasons for us...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
lol https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/02/13/the-studen...
bateful sadistic university pocket flask
  02/14/18
Do you SERIOUSLY think those student loans are getting paid ...
godawful nudist cuckoldry giraffe
  10/20/17
No bank is giving an 18 yo with no assets $50k a year in loa...
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
But it's PROFITABLE. Also, government intervention should...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
If SBA loans can be discharged (which is the case), then stu...
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  10/20/17
Private loans existed even when bankruptcy was available.
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  10/20/17
They turn a fucking profit. LOL indeed.
Plum halford hall
  10/20/17
i know, it's ridiculous. im all for funding a solid, low-...
twisted beady-eyed indian lodge
  10/20/17
from a policy perspective it makes basically no sense to for...
Iridescent dead stage
  02/14/18
because the government wants to get paid twice
Lilac Flatulent Cruise Ship
  10/20/17
ding ding ding! we suck
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
It’s obvious. This is why big government Libs are retarded
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
Don't think this is a partisan issue. This is a fuck boomers...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Correct.
Plum halford hall
  10/20/17
It’s a people voting for higher taxes and big gov issue
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
because of (((them)))
Frisky immigrant sanctuary
  10/20/17
Um should education be tax deductible for everyone then?
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
Sure, why not? If you cite a revenue shortfall, I'll tell yo...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Ok. I just think that must be a part of your argument. Oth...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
True. It's sensible public policy.
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
I don't really see the point though. The $$ would need to b...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
We already do that. Cost and changing the culture of America...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
But it doesn't just address loan repayment. It must address...
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
"You won't recognize/admit that a huge part of the prob...
aqua heaven
  10/20/17
Education should be treated like other investments. Inter...
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  10/20/17
"We really don't need to be encouraging more people to ...
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  10/20/17
Paying with pretax income will drive up the cost.
godawful nudist cuckoldry giraffe
  10/20/17
Lol at subsidizing "college education" which is no...
stirring irate station
  10/20/17
18000000000
Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker
  10/20/17
...
Razzle crotch
  10/20/17
...
Frisky immigrant sanctuary
  10/20/17
...
Massive resort
  10/20/17
...
brass base roast beef
  02/14/18
b/c that would deprive the federal government of billions of...
Massive resort
  10/20/17
It should be deductible as a business expense, and there's n...
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  10/20/17
It's a flimsy capital/revenue distinction I agree. It's rea...
Azure bossy deer antler
  10/20/17
That’s the best reason to do it. The federal budget is what ...
Drunken community account puppy
  02/14/18
Like an HSA?
swollen ladyboy
  10/20/17
Because retarded out of touch boomers who make the laws paid...
lime box office alpha
  02/14/18
lol at subsidizing this shit and driving up tuition prices e...
comical property
  02/14/18
College should be treated like other business investments. ...
Kink-friendly range shitlib
  02/14/18
pay your loans, faggot. you don't need subsidies unless you ...
brass base roast beef
  02/14/18


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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: aqua heaven

Australia does this AFAIK. Why the fuck can't we?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488926)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:01 PM
Author: Azure bossy deer antler

Australia DOES NOT do this.

Loans to students by the government (called HELP loans) are paid back by a levy on your taxable income that only kicks in once you reach a certain income level.

So for example, someone earning A$55,000 pays an extra 4% levy on their taxable income with that 4% reducing their HELP loan balance.

This means the repayment is coming out of post-tax income: its income you would otherwise have received but which instead goes to the government.

If you take out private loans to fund further study then the interest MAY be tax deductible if the purpose of the study is to improve your earning prospects in your current field of work. If its to train for an entirely new field its not deductible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491153)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:42 PM
Author: twisted beady-eyed indian lodge

there should be little in the way of government support for student loans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488938)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: aqua heaven

get your fucking pea-brained libertarian horseshit out of my thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488964)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:15 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

lol? They’re subsidizing the entire education system, including the loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489201)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:17 PM
Author: aqua heaven

7.5% interest, they're not subsidizing anything, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489222)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

No one else would give these kids loans. What I should say is that they’re “distorting” the market place. Point is, it’s not the place to just inject free market principles into higher ed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489233)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: aqua heaven

"Point is, it’s not the place to just inject free market principles into higher ed"

Public universities should be free or nearly free as they are in many civilized nations. The federal government isn't "distorting" the market, it is applying a band-aid to the problem of state legislatures continually raising the cost of higher education beyond what most ordinary citizens can afford. The main purpose of universities should be to prepare citizens to compete in the economy, not for absurd amenities, residences, sports, etc.

And it's insult to injury that the federal government itself preys on students too with the policies mentioned ITT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489342)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

They are distorting the market by guaranteeing the loans....

The loans would NOT be given at the 7.5% or whatever rates if not for fed government

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489356)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: aqua heaven

And yet they still turn a profit at the current rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489368)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

Nah bro

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/08/04/why-government-doesnt-profit-from-student-loans/#67a8ba49eb63

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489385)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: aqua heaven

"Under FCRA accounting procedures, the federal student loan program will turn a small profit of $28 billion over the coming decade, according to CBO. But using fair-value accounting, which incorporates the full market risk of the loans, taxpayers will lose a whopping $183 billion over the same time period."

Just do apply a one-time exception to government accounting standards to suit your argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489482)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

Yup not like the government's accounting might be misleading!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489503)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

DoE says 40%+ of borrowers behind on payments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489513)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: aqua heaven

Yup not like the government might have actual reasons for using different accounting standards than Acme, Inc!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489526)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: bateful sadistic university pocket flask

lol

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/02/13/the-student-loan-problem-that-wont-go-away/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401516)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:08 PM
Author: godawful nudist cuckoldry giraffe

Do you SERIOUSLY think those student loans are getting paid back? They won’t profit in the long run.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489648)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

No bank is giving an 18 yo with no assets $50k a year in loans to study art history without some government intervention

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489500)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

But it's PROFITABLE.

Also, government intervention should include no bankruptcy availability

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489505)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:34 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

If SBA loans can be discharged (which is the case), then student loans should be dischargeable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491373)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:32 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

Private loans existed even when bankruptcy was available.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491362)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Plum halford hall

They turn a fucking profit. LOL indeed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489236)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: twisted beady-eyed indian lodge

i know, it's ridiculous.

im all for funding a solid, low-cost public system of community colleges, trade schools and state universities and little in the way of loan guarantees. it's absurd that dumbasses can take out 5- or 6-figure loans to pay for bullshit art degrees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489407)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: Iridescent dead stage

from a policy perspective it makes basically no sense to forego tax revenue to alleviate the strain of paying student loans. it would be a handout to the middle class and continue to encourage people to take on unreasonable student loan debt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401572)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: Lilac Flatulent Cruise Ship

because the government wants to get paid twice



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488943)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:45 PM
Author: aqua heaven

ding ding ding! we suck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34488968)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

It’s obvious. This is why big government Libs are retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489207)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:18 PM
Author: aqua heaven

Don't think this is a partisan issue. This is a fuck boomers of either party issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489228)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Plum halford hall

Correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489241)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: Razzle crotch

It’s a people voting for higher taxes and big gov issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489255)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: aqua heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489014)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: aqua heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489196)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:15 PM
Author: Frisky immigrant sanctuary

because of (((them)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489203)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

Um should education be tax deductible for everyone then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489346)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: aqua heaven

Sure, why not? If you cite a revenue shortfall, I'll tell you that maybe we should worry about that at the cost of attendance level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489357)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

Ok. I just think that must be a part of your argument. Otherwise everyone would just get loans instead of paying up front.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489365)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: aqua heaven

True. It's sensible public policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489373)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

I don't really see the point though. The $$ would need to be made up from something else. We really don't need to be encouraging more people to waste tens of thousands of $$$ on pointless education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489382)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: aqua heaven

We already do that. Cost and changing the culture of American higher education are far more intractable problems.

This addresses loan repayment. Default rates continue to rise and student loans are the biggest form of consumer debt. This would encourage repayment and lower defaults.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489435)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

But it doesn't just address loan repayment. It must address education cost as a whole or else the policy has a YUGE flaw in it (people not paying for education up front).

What they should do is allow the loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy. LOL at any loans being given out then.

You won't recognize/admit that a huge part of the problem is that we don't need to be sending every kid to 4 years of partying/studying dumb shit for 10s of thousands of dollars a year.

Until you recognize that, your analysis of it is misguided and not worth listening to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489519)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:00 PM
Author: aqua heaven

"You won't recognize/admit that a huge part of the problem is that we don't need to be sending every kid to 4 years of partying/studying dumb shit for 10s of thousands of dollars a year."

I not only recognize this, I agree completely. Like I said, cost and culture are separate issues and can't be addressed with a single policy. You think Congress could write a law tomorrow that no universities should cost more than $20k/year? Or that idiots with a 2.7 GPA shouldn't go to UC Santa Cruz and study art history?

It's pie in the sky thinking to think that is remotely achievable overnight.

My analysis is far more narrow. People should be able to pay for education tax-free. It'll never happen because we're nothing more than infinitesimal components in long-term government revenue projections that include getting taxed up-front, then paying penurious penalties for 25 fucking years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489580)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:31 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

Education should be treated like other investments.

Interest and tuition should be deductible.

Bankruptcy should be available.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491357)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:30 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

"We really don't need to be encouraging more people to waste tens of thousands of $$$ on pointless education."

That's where bankruptcy comes in.

Reintroduce loan dischargeability and create some level of claw back against the colleges that fail to produce productive graduates.

The sting of disgorged money will convince colleges to make reforms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491352)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: godawful nudist cuckoldry giraffe

Paying with pretax income will drive up the cost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489933)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: stirring irate station

Lol at subsidizing "college education" which is now just letting 95 IQ nigs rant about "white supremacy"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489364)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Temple Weed Whacker

18000000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489370)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: Razzle crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489446)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Frisky immigrant sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489508)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:10 PM
Author: Massive resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489656)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: brass base roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401621)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 5:11 PM
Author: Massive resort

b/c that would deprive the federal government of billions of dollars for no good reason?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34489658)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:27 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

It should be deductible as a business expense, and there's no good reason to favor education obtained after the taxpayer has joined a field, which is deductible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491337)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 9:32 PM
Author: Azure bossy deer antler

It's a flimsy capital/revenue distinction I agree. It's really all about such a deduction costing too much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34491358)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:12 PM
Author: Drunken community account puppy

That’s the best reason to do it. The federal budget is what funds the liberal agenda

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401564)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: swollen ladyboy

Like an HSA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#34490007)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: lime box office alpha

Because retarded out of touch boomers who make the laws paid their way through college ($100 per semester) by working part time at the record store and assume our generation can easily do the same but for our indolence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401553)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: comical property

lol at subsidizing this shit and driving up tuition prices even more. We need to discourage people from taking out loans, not encourage more of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401617)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: Kink-friendly range shitlib

College should be treated like other business investments.

And, as with other business investments, the debt should be dischargeable in bankruptcy.

When the threat of bankruptcy looms, lenders (including the feds) will be more prudent and put pressure on colleges to not be such spendthrift, irresponsible fuckups. And, if necessary, we can create some sort of partial clawback from colleges to tighten the incentives link.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401675)



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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: brass base roast beef

pay your loans, faggot. you don't need subsidies unless you majored in some useless bullshit like law or gender studies, in which case get fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769804&forum_id=2#35401690)