Spoke with a Hiring manager today. Was told they would never hire a programmer
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Date: October 21st, 2017 12:03 AM Author: Aromatic kitty cat hospital
IME these dudes are mostly in either in management roles, whether engineering, product, project etc.
Or they're at some hardware company or one of the larger places like Oracle, HP etc. that have been around for a long time. There are most places like this than people realize b/c young grads usually don't apply to these old places.
Lastly there's another category you'll largely see them in - which is either some kind of consulting or large institution which maintains a huge legacy codebase of some older languages that aren't being taught much anymore but are crucial to some legacy systems at large institutions like goverment, education etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492317)
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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: Spruce idiot library
I worked with a 42 year old programmer once and he was by far the least productive member of the team and was fired within months. This is obviously one data point.
The bigger problem is GC's retarded hiring processes where some chick is doing the phone screens and HR filters for X years of experience in random overly specific technologies. This disqualifies otherwise highly qualified people and results in D-players getting hired into MegaCorps.
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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:48 PM Author: Sexy public bath party of the first part
middle aged guys don't have much of a problem eventually finding work if they're experienced in something. who else is going to service late 90s windows applications still used in bizarre corners of the government and shit like that?
obviously people who are smart don't have an issue either, as a sharp dude with experience who can still keep tabs on new developments has solid value.
that said, I would definitely not want to be an aging "always on the whizbang cutting edge!" webdev type. younger people can learn new shit faster (and hear of it first to begin with), and it's easy to end up hopping from Thing to Thing without getting deep experience in any one particular niche (and more importantly, always being on the cutting edge means you're far more likely to work with tech that never sees mass long-term adoption)
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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:03 PM Author: Spruce idiot library
It very much depends. There are 50+ guys like Kent Beck who are eminently qualified for basically anything and who do you a favor accepting your offer.
The problem is that the median 45 year-old F-player type individual contributors introduce serious flaws and anti-patterns into the code that the superior younger guys hesitate to challenge. So ultimately the age rule of thumb works; just don't hire old guys.
Sure, if the gen-x er you just hired is DHH, congratulations. But it is much more likely that you hired a turd that will hold your current employees back.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491923) |
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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:42 PM Author: Spruce idiot library
I basically totally agree with you but want to shout out the A-player older guys. Maybe that'll be us one day. I have seen guys with experience sway very important decisions in the right direction.
But ultimately, again, it comes down to why you decided to hire every employee. If you can't tell if they are valuable or not, you should probably fire them.
Just today I told my boss that I was likely over 100 times more productive than the median US employee and he actually disagreed and said at least 500x. Terrible geezers are worse than 1x (break even).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492180) |
Date: October 20th, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Disrespectful locale brethren
40+ year olds have issues being hired in lots of non senior roles.
programmer is not a senior role anywhere, no?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492073) |
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