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atheists: why is murder categorically wrong
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:05 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496654) |
Date: October 21st, 2017 6:06 PM Author: free-loading famous landscape painting u: define categorically, define wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496656) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma categorically - always
wrong - unjust, dishonest, or immoral |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: free-loading famous landscape painting oh, also define murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496665) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma unlawful killing of another human being by another with malice aforethought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496678) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: free-loading famous landscape painting how does God help this? he adds legitimacy to the law by endorsing the society and it's rules? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:14 PM Author: Hairraiser Tan Indian Lodge he creates natural law obv (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496712) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: marvelous chrome round eye are you a christer or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496661) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate interferes w the ability of humans to make the most of themselves and their lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496682) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496693) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: Crawly double fault So atheistic humanism has absolute morals? Stemming from what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496751) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:27 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate not absolute.
"stem from" false premise.
If you have two dogs and they both do the same trick, only one of them gets the treat, one is gonna get pissed. If you have two puppies biting each other too hard in play, they learn they need to apologize to keep playing. Etc.
Now get the fuck outta here if your telling me you would feel free to steal and kill and rape etc if there were no god. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Crawly double fault So dogs have a sense of fairness, you're saying? A wolf in the wild would happily kill a wolf of another pack over a rabbit, as would any housepet's offspring if uninterfered with by humans.
Actually, just re-read your poast, and it's even stupider than I thought upon skimming it! So if a human teaches a puppy not to kill and gives them treats this means acknowledging kant is a ordinal principle of the universe?
Also, of course. I openly and unironically advocate rape and murder as the natural order of things to anyone who asks my opinion. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:39 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate "A wolf in the wild would happily kill a wolf of another pack over a rabbit"
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"So if a human teaches a puppy not to kill and gives them treats this means acknowledging kant is a ordinal principle of the universe?"
I like how you throw in Kant just to sort of, you know, shore things up. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Crawly double fault Entirely non responsive, and the kant bit was a joke referencing a poast further downthread. Explain how humans teaching animals not to kill means atheism somehow disencourages murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496881) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate "humans teaching animals not to kill" was that what i said?
(of course not. But there is some fundamental dishonesty to the christer argument method that is necessary to maintain the christerliness.) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:45 PM Author: Crawly double fault "If you have two puppies biting each other too hard in play, they learn they need to apologize to keep playing. Etc."
They learn to apologize to each other in a vacuum? They get treats in a vacuum? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate next false premise: "Vacuum" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496925) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:51 PM Author: Crawly double fault Atheism by definition doesn't allow for external spiritual stimulus in the form of moral law. What environment would you like to perform your anti-murder though experiments in? A modern highly regulated christianity-based society? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496951) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:54 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate "spiritual" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496973) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: marvelous chrome round eye so the only reason you don't kill people is because GOD SAID SO. yeah right, moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496685) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma nonresponsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496690) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: marvelous chrome round eye (low iq christer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496701) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Hairraiser Tan Indian Lodge Because it is preferable to not get murdered, obv in the very rare event that you would benefit soo much from a murder that opening yourself up to being murdered would be worth it, you should do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496692) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma explain how first part applies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496695) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Hairraiser Tan Indian Lodge As you do not want to be murders it makes sense to apply a more or less universal rule that murder is wrong and to refrain from it yourself, acknowledging Kant more or less
It's all pretend of course, but worth it |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma so an action is justifiable only if you would want it done on you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497122) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:47 PM Author: buff swashbuckling den halford *crowd gasps*
"did he just acknowledge Kant???" |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:29 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504522) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: racy office define murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496706) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:17 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma see above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497125) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:14 PM Author: Cerise brunch murder is allowed, in fact encouraged, under atheism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496710) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:23 PM Author: Crawly double fault Only correct answer ITT
This is why satanism, objectivism etc are ridiculed as the jokes they are - only one satanic sect openly advocates murder and human sacrifice |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:29 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate wtf. is satanism and objectivism atheism? jfc boart christers have gotten dumber and dumber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496793) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:36 PM Author: Crawly double fault Christers? You're staggeringly off base. And yes, atheistic objectivism is the guiding principle of the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan. Go look it up, I won't because I know I'm right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496845) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate lol very clear thinkers at Temple of Set and Church of Satan.
But your stinking up the boart with this crap at the moment. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Crawly double fault Even more non-responsive. Atheism in no way allows for moral forbidding of any act. Modern 'humanistic' or 'satanic' or 'objectivist' atheism is self-contradictory and hypocritical shit. How do you refute this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496933) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:53 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate im sorry son please try to be clearer.
why doesnt atheism allow for moral forbidding of an act. it pretty obviously does.
i dont know what you are talking about speaking about satabnsum or humanism or objective atheism in the same breath. its only 110 iq paranoiacs who would talk in such a way |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: Crawly double fault I'll try and phrase this simply... How exactly (morally, ontologically, whichever) can a worldview denying higher powers exclude any action as "wrong" (which is the premise of this thread)?
If you give a semantic response I will literally defenestrate you |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate Arent you asking the same thing from the beginning though--to which ive already responded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497066) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:46 AM Author: Crawly double fault Yes because your answer was so fucking retarded it gave me amnesia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500454) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:28 AM Author: Splenetic stage roommate Go back and reread it and think about it instead of dodging it then. Its not hard. Its even articulated in silly shows like star trek lil bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500718) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:36 AM Author: Crawly double fault Read instead of dodging says the retard who responded 5 times in a row ITT with one word non-responses, JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500739) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:51 AM Author: Splenetic stage roommate Now youve gone to name calling?
Also its not dodging. The problem is you have assumptions baked into your comments for argument purposes and those assumptions have to be looked at first before a response can be had. The assumptions you've made are pretty obvious, so I've just quoted the passages where the assumptions stand out the most. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Crawly double fault *quotes one word of a cogent poast*
Oh what an obvious evisceration of the central point |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497119) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: black theater Guess you never took an ethics course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496718) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Tan Indian Lodge in fairness to him, atheists have never actually answered this question convincingly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496726) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:19 PM Author: black theater It's because there is no convincing answer. Morality isn't 'real' to an atheist so there's no way to prove it is wrong. Nevertheless we feel that it is in most cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496741) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:20 PM Author: Hairraiser Tan Indian Lodge correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496746) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:22 PM Author: Big amber pistol It undermines everyone's most basic right, that of physical safety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496757) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:23 PM Author: sapphire irate hall Remember that atheists don't believe in human rights (see: abortion) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496764) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:47 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate except they do and they also understand the balancing of rights. there may be dispute in the weight of whats being balanced, but it is a BALANCING w some play on each side to all rational people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496921) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:30 PM Author: Sepia exciting internal respiration patrolman From an atheist point of view, it needs to be illegal like speeding because if everyone did it society would fall apart. Each person has the incentive to make it "wrong" because it is too easy to be murdered and we each need protection.
However, there would be nothing wrong with the act itself because from an atheist point of view life is worthless. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:05 AM Author: zippy shrine "from an atheist point of view life is worthless."
(fat SAHM leading bible study) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:37 PM Author: Azure resort blood rage High IQ thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496849) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:38 PM Author: marvelous chrome round eye too many christers for it to be high iq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496855) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Azure resort blood rage Even higher IQ response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496865) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:32 PM Author: Wonderful spruce bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504543) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:37 PM Author: Buck-toothed beady-eyed mother It's a okay when done in the interest of the state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496850) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:38 PM Author: light haunted graveyard regret it's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496853) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: cordovan goyim dog poop atheists are moral monsters. proof? read this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496861) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Deep degenerate This is a harder question for theists, isn't it? If you accept any of the abrahamic religions, then god murdered everybody in the world (minus 8 people) in a flood, then used a rainbow as a post-it note that, if he chose to commit genocide again, he would use some method other than a flood. A morality of "do not murder" is easier to justify without having to perform contortions around fealty to such a monster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496867) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496931) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Avocado adventurous kitty cat church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496939) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:54 PM Author: Gaped address Also, a murdered person who is right with God goes to heaven, right? So why is that a bad thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496974) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:58 PM Author: Azure resort blood rage Very intelligent and well thought out point here.
Christurds--response? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:59 PM Author: Gaped address Smart Christians would never make the OP to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497020) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:20 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497151) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:22 PM Author: Azure resort blood rage *smart people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497164) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:17 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma not really
God said do not murder, he never said all killing is wrong |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Deep degenerate Okay, so? Everybody but those 8 people were justifiable homicides? Including children, babies, and unborn fetuses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497226) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Violet shaky rehab op, is your only objection to murder that you think god doesnt want you to do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496927) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:50 PM Author: Deep degenerate The only reason I don't murder is because the sky wizard who genocided humanity, less 8 people, told me not to! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496942) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:50 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate no he will say he knows its wrong without the fear of hell or god telling him anyway. but he will say its god's guidance to him that tells him its wrong, but he wont see how the two things are irreconcilable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496944) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:18 PM Author: soggy talented national friendly grandma no, but it's the only reason I can give that isn't a relativist argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497142) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Violet shaky rehab as a society we agree that people have certain natural rights. murdering someone takes away that right and can't be undone. plus it makes people sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496937) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: nofapping organic girlfriend it isn't, seig heil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497072) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:20 PM Author: Azure resort blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497152) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:48 AM Author: Crawly double fault MFCR. Ljl @ low iq arguments from both sides (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500458) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:19 PM Author: vibrant genital piercing locus Ironically, the answer is that atheists have "faith" that murder is wrong and act as if that is so, even though they can point to no evidence to support it. This is why atheists debating Christians over faith is very dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497148) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:24 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate is wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497183) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: vibrant genital piercing locus Nope this was actually the correct answer on ur 1L exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497204) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:29 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate too little too late man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497218) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: vibrant genital piercing locus Go ahead and use your tiny pink IQ to explain why it's wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497229) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:23 AM Author: Splenetic stage roommate I was actually meaning I could have used the answers to exams years ago but its too late for that now.
Yr not doing any favors on the IQ front by asking a question like this, btw. Maybe, hell, maybe you did better on ls questions but honestly if that's right I dont want to be right. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:32 PM Author: vibrant genital piercing locus go ahead and explain why then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34512775) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:26 PM Author: cowardly balding rigpig *gasses this thread* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497199) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:26 PM Author: Painfully honest aphrodisiac juggernaut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
yw |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: Splenetic stage roommate also built in through engines of evolution.
The more refined levels of ethics and morality come from reasoning upon util principles. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:20 AM Author: Splenetic stage roommate And our stats show our struggles w more refined levels that ask us to eschew tribalism, etc.
This answer and my above poast should be the end of this thread but something tells me it wont be. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:04 AM Author: zippy shrine Because a real person said so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34499338) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:39 AM Author: Flatulent Apoplectic Multi-billionaire Embarrassing thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500744) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:47 AM Author: Azure resort blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500763) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Naked Macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504562) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:43 AM Author: Bearded Hospital so man created god bc humans were murdering each other? two can play this game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500755) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:33 PM Author: Wonderful spruce bawdyhouse It’s not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504548) |