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atheists: why is murder categorically wrong
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:05 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496654) |
Date: October 21st, 2017 6:06 PM Author: adulterous hairraiser rigor senate u: define categorically, define wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496656) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio categorically - always
wrong - unjust, dishonest, or immoral |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: adulterous hairraiser rigor senate oh, also define murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496665) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio unlawful killing of another human being by another with malice aforethought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496678) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: adulterous hairraiser rigor senate how does God help this? he adds legitimacy to the law by endorsing the society and it's rules? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:14 PM Author: 180 Hell he creates natural law obv (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496712) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: primrose area becky are you a christer or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496661) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base interferes w the ability of humans to make the most of themselves and their lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496682) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496693) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal So atheistic humanism has absolute morals? Stemming from what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496751) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:27 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base not absolute.
"stem from" false premise.
If you have two dogs and they both do the same trick, only one of them gets the treat, one is gonna get pissed. If you have two puppies biting each other too hard in play, they learn they need to apologize to keep playing. Etc.
Now get the fuck outta here if your telling me you would feel free to steal and kill and rape etc if there were no god. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal So dogs have a sense of fairness, you're saying? A wolf in the wild would happily kill a wolf of another pack over a rabbit, as would any housepet's offspring if uninterfered with by humans.
Actually, just re-read your poast, and it's even stupider than I thought upon skimming it! So if a human teaches a puppy not to kill and gives them treats this means acknowledging kant is a ordinal principle of the universe?
Also, of course. I openly and unironically advocate rape and murder as the natural order of things to anyone who asks my opinion. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:39 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base "A wolf in the wild would happily kill a wolf of another pack over a rabbit"
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"So if a human teaches a puppy not to kill and gives them treats this means acknowledging kant is a ordinal principle of the universe?"
I like how you throw in Kant just to sort of, you know, shore things up. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Entirely non responsive, and the kant bit was a joke referencing a poast further downthread. Explain how humans teaching animals not to kill means atheism somehow disencourages murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496881) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base "humans teaching animals not to kill" was that what i said?
(of course not. But there is some fundamental dishonesty to the christer argument method that is necessary to maintain the christerliness.) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:45 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal "If you have two puppies biting each other too hard in play, they learn they need to apologize to keep playing. Etc."
They learn to apologize to each other in a vacuum? They get treats in a vacuum? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base next false premise: "Vacuum" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496925) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:51 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Atheism by definition doesn't allow for external spiritual stimulus in the form of moral law. What environment would you like to perform your anti-murder though experiments in? A modern highly regulated christianity-based society? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496951) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:54 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base "spiritual" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496973) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: primrose area becky so the only reason you don't kill people is because GOD SAID SO. yeah right, moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496685) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio nonresponsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496690) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: primrose area becky (low iq christer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496701) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: 180 Hell Because it is preferable to not get murdered, obv in the very rare event that you would benefit soo much from a murder that opening yourself up to being murdered would be worth it, you should do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496692) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio explain how first part applies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496695) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: 180 Hell As you do not want to be murders it makes sense to apply a more or less universal rule that murder is wrong and to refrain from it yourself, acknowledging Kant more or less
It's all pretend of course, but worth it |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio so an action is justifiable only if you would want it done on you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497122) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:47 PM Author: French disrespectful mediation kitty cat *crowd gasps*
"did he just acknowledge Kant???" |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:29 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504522) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Razzmatazz locale dingle berry define murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496706) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:17 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio see above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497125) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:14 PM Author: Adventurous Sadistic Tanning Salon Tattoo murder is allowed, in fact encouraged, under atheism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496710) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:23 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Only correct answer ITT
This is why satanism, objectivism etc are ridiculed as the jokes they are - only one satanic sect openly advocates murder and human sacrifice |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:29 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base wtf. is satanism and objectivism atheism? jfc boart christers have gotten dumber and dumber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496793) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:36 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Christers? You're staggeringly off base. And yes, atheistic objectivism is the guiding principle of the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan. Go look it up, I won't because I know I'm right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496845) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base lol very clear thinkers at Temple of Set and Church of Satan.
But your stinking up the boart with this crap at the moment. |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Even more non-responsive. Atheism in no way allows for moral forbidding of any act. Modern 'humanistic' or 'satanic' or 'objectivist' atheism is self-contradictory and hypocritical shit. How do you refute this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496933) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:53 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base im sorry son please try to be clearer.
why doesnt atheism allow for moral forbidding of an act. it pretty obviously does.
i dont know what you are talking about speaking about satabnsum or humanism or objective atheism in the same breath. its only 110 iq paranoiacs who would talk in such a way |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal I'll try and phrase this simply... How exactly (morally, ontologically, whichever) can a worldview denying higher powers exclude any action as "wrong" (which is the premise of this thread)?
If you give a semantic response I will literally defenestrate you |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base Arent you asking the same thing from the beginning though--to which ive already responded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497066) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:46 AM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Yes because your answer was so fucking retarded it gave me amnesia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500454) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:28 AM Author: Ivory corn cake base Go back and reread it and think about it instead of dodging it then. Its not hard. Its even articulated in silly shows like star trek lil bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500718) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:36 AM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal Read instead of dodging says the retard who responded 5 times in a row ITT with one word non-responses, JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500739) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:51 AM Author: Ivory corn cake base Now youve gone to name calling?
Also its not dodging. The problem is you have assumptions baked into your comments for argument purposes and those assumptions have to be looked at first before a response can be had. The assumptions you've made are pretty obvious, so I've just quoted the passages where the assumptions stand out the most. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal *quotes one word of a cogent poast*
Oh what an obvious evisceration of the central point |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497119) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: Bateful theater Guess you never took an ethics course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496718) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: 180 Hell in fairness to him, atheists have never actually answered this question convincingly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496726) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:19 PM Author: Bateful theater It's because there is no convincing answer. Morality isn't 'real' to an atheist so there's no way to prove it is wrong. Nevertheless we feel that it is in most cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496741) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:20 PM Author: 180 Hell correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496746) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:22 PM Author: Fighting Market Community Account It undermines everyone's most basic right, that of physical safety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496757) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:23 PM Author: Elite nofapping yarmulke selfie Remember that atheists don't believe in human rights (see: abortion) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496764) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:47 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base except they do and they also understand the balancing of rights. there may be dispute in the weight of whats being balanced, but it is a BALANCING w some play on each side to all rational people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496921) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:30 PM Author: white misunderstood marketing idea From an atheist point of view, it needs to be illegal like speeding because if everyone did it society would fall apart. Each person has the incentive to make it "wrong" because it is too easy to be murdered and we each need protection.
However, there would be nothing wrong with the act itself because from an atheist point of view life is worthless. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:05 AM Author: Arrogant Cream Boistinker "from an atheist point of view life is worthless."
(fat SAHM leading bible study) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:37 PM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi High IQ thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496849) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:38 PM Author: primrose area becky too many christers for it to be high iq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496855) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi Even higher IQ response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496865) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:32 PM Author: Smoky Floppy Office Hunting Ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504543) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:37 PM Author: Idiotic theater stage nibblets It's a okay when done in the interest of the state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496850) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:38 PM Author: Pink cumskin keepsake machete it's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496853) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: frum ceo indian lodge atheists are moral monsters. proof? read this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496861) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Fluffy aqua shrine This is a harder question for theists, isn't it? If you accept any of the abrahamic religions, then god murdered everybody in the world (minus 8 people) in a flood, then used a rainbow as a post-it note that, if he chose to commit genocide again, he would use some method other than a flood. A morality of "do not murder" is easier to justify without having to perform contortions around fealty to such a monster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496867) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496931) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: Laughsome sick abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496939) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:54 PM Author: sickened claret whorehouse Also, a murdered person who is right with God goes to heaven, right? So why is that a bad thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496974) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:58 PM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi Very intelligent and well thought out point here.
Christurds--response? |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:59 PM Author: sickened claret whorehouse Smart Christians would never make the OP to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497020) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:20 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497151) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:22 PM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi *smart people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497164) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:17 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio not really
God said do not murder, he never said all killing is wrong |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Fluffy aqua shrine Okay, so? Everybody but those 8 people were justifiable homicides? Including children, babies, and unborn fetuses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497226) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: glittery impertinent kitchen op, is your only objection to murder that you think god doesnt want you to do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496927) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:50 PM Author: Fluffy aqua shrine The only reason I don't murder is because the sky wizard who genocided humanity, less 8 people, told me not to! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496942) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:50 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base no he will say he knows its wrong without the fear of hell or god telling him anyway. but he will say its god's guidance to him that tells him its wrong, but he wont see how the two things are irreconcilable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496944) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:18 PM Author: Exhilarant digit ratio no, but it's the only reason I can give that isn't a relativist argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497142) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: glittery impertinent kitchen as a society we agree that people have certain natural rights. murdering someone takes away that right and can't be undone. plus it makes people sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34496937) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: Violet electric goal in life it isn't, seig heil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497072) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:20 PM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497152) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:48 AM Author: Shivering Mood Sneaky Criminal MFCR. Ljl @ low iq arguments from both sides (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500458) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:19 PM Author: Maize slimy resort Ironically, the answer is that atheists have "faith" that murder is wrong and act as if that is so, even though they can point to no evidence to support it. This is why atheists debating Christians over faith is very dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497148) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:24 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base is wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497183) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: Maize slimy resort Nope this was actually the correct answer on ur 1L exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497204) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:29 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base too little too late man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497218) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Maize slimy resort Go ahead and use your tiny pink IQ to explain why it's wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497229) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:23 AM Author: Ivory corn cake base I was actually meaning I could have used the answers to exams years ago but its too late for that now.
Yr not doing any favors on the IQ front by asking a question like this, btw. Maybe, hell, maybe you did better on ls questions but honestly if that's right I dont want to be right. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:32 PM Author: Maize slimy resort go ahead and explain why then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34512775) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:26 PM Author: passionate pea-brained space ape *gasses this thread* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34497199) |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:26 PM Author: Sepia Histrionic Old Irish Cottage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
yw |
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Date: October 21st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: Ivory corn cake base also built in through engines of evolution.
The more refined levels of ethics and morality come from reasoning upon util principles. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:20 AM Author: Ivory corn cake base And our stats show our struggles w more refined levels that ask us to eschew tribalism, etc.
This answer and my above poast should be the end of this thread but something tells me it wont be. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:04 AM Author: Arrogant Cream Boistinker Because a real person said so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34499338) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:39 AM Author: Stirring rose gaping Embarrassing thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500744) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:47 AM Author: spruce seedy center fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500763) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:35 PM Author: crusty brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504562) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 9:43 AM Author: Vigorous Casino Masturbator so man created god bc humans were murdering each other? two can play this game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34500755) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:33 PM Author: Smoky Floppy Office Hunting Ground It’s not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770784&forum_id=2#34504548) |