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After Weinsteins fall, Trump accusers wonder: Why not him? (WAPO)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/my-pain-is-everyday-...
Dashing Market
  10/21/17
ME TOO!!!
arousing meetinghouse
  10/21/17
Trump, unlike Weinstein, was able to deflect their claims — ...
Buck-toothed zombie-like party of the first part mexican
  10/21/17
ty
Vibrant hall jew
  10/22/17
*grabs this dingbat by the pussy* shaddup
yellow cumskin
  10/22/17
when the debate goes nowhere the first time? that's when you...
yellow cumskin
  10/22/17
Or at least a dialogue.
ocher principal's office
  10/22/17
freshen up the dialogue
yellow cumskin
  10/22/17
Harvey looks like a troll
ocher principal's office
  10/22/17
i heard clinton whipped his dick out all the time, yet was p...
mustard corner kitty cat
  10/22/17
if Weinstein had any brains he would have stood his ground l...
yellow cumskin
  10/22/17
TCR. LJL at ever admitting your felonies. Now if you dont mi...
Umber Degenerate
  10/22/17
Nah his accusers are to reputable. You can't call geyenth an...
Histrionic native
  10/22/17
ljl angelina accused brad of like beating the kids or someth...
Bearded School Turdskin
  10/22/17
Fine. But Luipita nyongo is bulletproof
Histrionic native
  10/22/17
...
Bearded School Turdskin
  10/22/17
actually cr
Submissive stag film
  10/22/17
HARROWING | ACCOUNTS
Submissive stag film
  10/22/17
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electric gunner
  12/11/17
I wonder why the post isn’t too keen on being as inquisitive...
lilac messiness parlour
  10/22/17
"There have been pussy-grabbing on both sides, believe ...
Cocky preventive strike useless brakes
  10/22/17
tbf there was no actual downfall, just libs whining about hi...
sepia fluffy office telephone
  10/22/17
...
tripping property antidepressant drug
  12/11/17
wow haha
Excitant gaped bawdyhouse mad-dog skullcap
  12/11/17


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Date: October 21st, 2017 11:48 PM
Author: Dashing Market

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/my-pain-is-everyday-after-weinsteins-fall-trump-accusers-wonder-why-not-him/2017/10/21/bce67720-b585-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html?utm_term=.bd2b3add1a80

‘My pain is everyday’: After Weinstein’s fall, Trump accusers wonder: Why not him?

Almost a year after New Yorker Jessica Leeds and other women stepped forward with harrowing accounts of being sexually assaulted by a powerful man, another scandal with similar elements exploded.

Only this time, the punishment was swift and devastating.

“It is hard to reconcile that Harvey Weinstein could be brought down with this, and [President] Trump just continues to be the Teflon Don,” said Leeds, who claims she was groped 30 years ago on a plane by the man whose presence she cannot escape now that he sits in the Oval Office.

In Florida, Melinda McGillivray was having much the same reaction.

“What pisses me off is that the guy is president,” McGillivray, who a year ago went public with allegations that Trump grabbed her at Mar-a-Lago in 2003 when she was 23. “It’s that simple.”

Leeds and McGillivray were among the 11 women who came forward in the 2016 campaign to accuse the then-Republican presidential candidate of unwanted touching or kissing. Trump called the charges “pure fiction” and referred to the women as “horrible, horrible liars.”

Their claims did not stop the celebrity real estate titan on his climb to the most powerful office in the world.

Since then, numerous men in high places have been felled by charges of sexual misconduct. Most notable among them were Bill O’Reilly, the star Fox News anchor who was ousted less than a year after Roger Ailes, the network’s co-founder; and Weinstein, once regarded as one of the most influential figures in the entertainment business.

The Weinstein scandal, which has featured graphic accounts of assault from a string of celebrity accusers, has sparked a national debate about sexual harassment. Many women, inspired by a #MeToo campaign, have taken to social media to tell their own stories, and calls to the National Sexual Assault Hotline have risen sharply.

But for Trump’s accusers, the renewed debate offers a reminder that their allegations did not have the same effect.

Trump, unlike Weinstein, was able to deflect their claims — despite the disclosure of a video in which he was heard bragging about the kind of behavior some of the women had alleged. Trump has never followed through with his vow to sue his accusers or produce the “substantial evidence” he said would refute their claims.

So far, the allegations against the president have led to a single new lawsuit filed by a Trump accuser who argues that the president defamed her when he denied her allegations — a case that Trump’s lawyer Marc Kasowitz called a “completely contrived, totally meritless lawsuit, which we expect to be summarily dismissed.”

Kasowitz did not respond to questions from The Washington Post about the other women’s claims and why Trump has not produced the evidence he said would to disprove them.

The frustrations of some Trump accusers surfaced publicly in the days after the New York Times revealed the allegations against Weinstein.

“My pain is everyday with bastard Trump as President,” tweeted Jill Harth, who once worked with Trump on organizing beauty pageants and sued him in 1997, claiming he had repeatedly groped her breasts, tried to touch her genitals and kissed her against her will. “No one gets it unless it happens to them. NO one!”

Harth, who is now a makeup artist in New York and declined to be interviewed, also accused Trump of getting into bed, uninvited, with one of the 22-year-old contestants in the early 1990s, according to allegations detailed in the Boston Globe.

Cathy Heller, who last year told the Guardian that Trump forcibly kissed the side of her mouth during a brunch at Mar-a-Lago in 1997, expressed dismay that “nothing stuck” against him.

Heller said she wondered whether the fame of Weinstein’s accusers — who include Oscar winners such as Gwyneth Paltrow — played a role in how their claims were received.

“A lot of them were actresses we’ve all heard of,” said Heller, 64. “When it’s a celebrity, it has more weight than just someone who he met at Mar-a-Lago or a beauty pageant contestant. They’re not people we’ve heard of. And that, in our society, has much more weight because they’re famous.”

Heller said Weinstein’s removal from his production company made her glad that “finally something was really done and a guy finally got his dues, his just deserts,” she said. “We’ll see about Trump. It’s never too late.”

McGillivray, now 37, said she was initially afraid to speak out, calling it “petrifying.” But she said she felt driven by a patriotic duty — as well as a desire to do right by her teenage daughter.

“I wanted to be heard,” said McGillivray, who lives in Palm Springs, Fla., not far from Mar-a-Lago, the president’s private club.

Allegations about Trump’s behavior toward women became an issue early in his candidacy and lingered for months, exploding in early October when The Washington Post published the 2005 “Access Hollywood” video in which he boasted in vulgar terms about kissing women and grabbing them by the genitals. The then-GOP nominee called the remarks “locker-room banter,” adding: “I apologize if anyone was offended.”

That disclosure was followed by accusations concerning incidents alleged to have occurred over several decades, starting in the early 1980s and continuing until at least 2007. The accusers included several women whose careers depended on Trump, in addition to women he encountered by happenstance.

Polls showed that a clear majority of voters came to believe that Trump had committed the kind of behavior described by his accusers.

A Washington Post poll three weeks before the election found that more than two-thirds of registered voters — including almost half of Republicans — thought that Trump probably had made unwanted sexual advances toward women.

But the specific allegations did little to budge an electorate that had become almost tribal in its divisions.

“Sexual abuse should not be a partisan issue, but it frequently is,” said conservative commentator Amanda Carpenter. “That to me is maddening, just to watch women become fodder, to watch women become cannon fodder for these men. It’s gut-wrenching.”

After the allegations against Weinstein were made public, Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel argued on CNN that Trump’s alleged offenses were “not even comparable” to Weinstein’s, adding that “to even make that comparison is disrespectful to the president.”

McDaniel tried to turn the Weinstein case on the Democrats whose campaigns he had helped finance, tweeting on Oct. 7: “Whose side is Hillary Clinton on: Harvey Weinstein’s or his victims?”

Unlike Weinstein, Trump responded to the accusations against him with vehement denials and fierce counterpunching. Although he apologized for his comments heard on the “Access Hollywood” tape, he attacked the credibility of the women making specific claims.

Trump deemed their accounts a “total fabrication,” “totally and absolutely false” and “pure fiction.” In the cases of two of the women, he urged the public to judge whether they were attractive enough for him to have assaulted them.

“Believe me: She would not be my first choice. That I can tell you,” he said of Leeds.

Trump’s pushback led one of his accusers, Summer Zervos, a former contestant on Trump’s reality television show, “The Apprentice,” to file a defamation lawsuit against him three days before he took the oath of office.

Zervos first appeared weeks before the election at a news conference with her attorney, Gloria Allred, and accused Trump of aggressively kissing her and groping her breasts during a 2007 meeting that took place when she was seeking a job at his company.

In court documents, Zervos’s attorneys said Trump defamed her by labeling his accusers liars. They have sought to subpoena documents from Trump’s campaign related to any of the women accusing him of inappropriate sexual contact. “Summer has really suffered, and she deserves to have her reputation restored,” said Allred, who also represents other women who have accused Trump.

Asked this week about the case, Trump called it “totally fake news.”

“It’s just fake,” he said during a Rose Garden news conference. “It’s fake. It’s made-up stuff, and it’s disgraceful, what happens, but that happens in the — that happens in the world of politics.”

Trump’s lawyers are seeking to have the case dismissed.

The next brief is due on Oct. 31, and sometime after that, a judge in New York state, where the suit was filed, is expected to rule on whether the case will proceed.

History suggests that an ongoing court case could be perilous for a sitting president. The last deposition of one was in another sexual harassment case, when Bill Clinton was questioned for six hours in January 1998 by lawyers for former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones. She claimed that Clinton, while governor in 1991, had exposed his genitals to her in a Little Rock hotel room.

Clinton paid Jones $800,000 to settle the case without admitting guilt, but during that deposition, he was asked about his relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and gave false statements that led to his impeachment.

The same factor that helped Clinton survive impeachment and remain in office helped Trump overcome the accusations of misconduct against him, said Elaine Kamarck, a former Clinton White House official who is now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

“The fact is, there were bigger issues at play,” Kamarck said. “Nobody expected him to be a good guy. People knew what kind of guy he was.”

Leeds, now 75, said the furor over her decision to come forward last year in the New York Times lasted several months, “longer than I imagined.” In the aftermath, she said, younger women approached her to thank her for her bravery. Many told her they have agonized over whether to do the same.

“I thought things were better in that area, with more women in the workplace,” Leeds said. But she has come to the conclusion that the culture that fostered experiences like the one she claims to have had with Trump “is still very strong and very prevalent, and that was discouraging.”

Scott Clement, Alice Crites and Julie Tate contributed to this report.



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Date: October 21st, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: arousing meetinghouse

ME TOO!!!

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Date: October 21st, 2017 11:50 PM
Author: Buck-toothed zombie-like party of the first part mexican

Trump, unlike Weinstein, was able to deflect their claims — despite the disclosure of a video in which he was heard bragging about the kind of behavior some of the women had alleged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499219)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:47 AM
Author: Vibrant hall jew

ty

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:00 AM
Author: yellow cumskin

*grabs this dingbat by the pussy*

shaddup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499297)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: yellow cumskin

when the debate goes nowhere the first time? that's when you RENEW THE DEBATE!

a *renewed debate* is created!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499319)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: ocher principal's office

Or at least a dialogue.

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:06 AM
Author: yellow cumskin

freshen up the dialogue

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: ocher principal's office

Harvey looks like a troll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499320)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:03 AM
Author: mustard corner kitty cat

i heard clinton whipped his dick out all the time, yet was president. hmmm, odd.

the president isnt some faggot hollywood producer of schlock, he is THE PRESIDENT. he is allowed to fuck any pussy he wants, any time. its called right of first night, prima noctra.

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:06 AM
Author: yellow cumskin

if Weinstein had any brains he would have stood his ground like Trump did. he'd have been fine. he'd have a line of starlets around the block wanting to work with him tomorrow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499361)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:08 AM
Author: Umber Degenerate

TCR. LJL at ever admitting your felonies. Now if you dont mind I have acts of treason to perform tonight....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499379)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:40 AM
Author: Histrionic native

Nah his accusers are to reputable. You can't call geyenth and Angelina liars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34499618)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: Bearded School Turdskin

ljl angelina accused brad of like beating the kids or something? no one actually like these talentless sluts, they are just ((forcememed))

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:47 AM
Author: Histrionic native

Fine. But

Luipita nyongo is bulletproof

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:41 AM
Author: Bearded School Turdskin



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: Submissive stag film

actually cr

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:41 AM
Author: Submissive stag film

HARROWING | ACCOUNTS

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Date: December 11th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: electric gunner



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:51 AM
Author: lilac messiness parlour

I wonder why the post isn’t too keen on being as inquisitive about all of Clinton’s accusers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34500146)



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Date: October 22nd, 2017 2:53 AM
Author: Cocky preventive strike useless brakes

"There have been pussy-grabbing on both sides, believe me, I know these women"

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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:36 AM
Author: sepia fluffy office telephone

tbf there was no actual downfall, just libs whining about him for the past couple of weeks, which trump has now been dealing with for years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34500378)



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Date: December 11th, 2017 4:18 PM
Author: tripping property antidepressant drug



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Date: December 11th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Excitant gaped bawdyhouse mad-dog skullcap

wow haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771128&forum_id=2#34892183)