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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:33 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Almost thinking about dat luxury GRAND Cherokee vehicle... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506469) |
Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:35 PM Author: disrespectful legal warrant becky CX-9 with the turbo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506476) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:45 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen ljl at that POS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506538) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:40 PM Author: unholy casino roast beef Do you want a legit 4x4 or something that can just handle wet leaves on your driveway? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506498) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Something that can handle service roads, but not rock crawling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506585) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen how rough are the service roads? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506597) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:52 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe Outback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506602) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:53 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles great idea, but I'm not a lesbian... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506609) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:53 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe oh so you're a faggot, my mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506617) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:51 PM Author: startled sweet tailpipe lol, ruthless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34509253) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:58 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Subarus are garbage. Terrible NVH, not all that capable, and still STILL having HG issues years after they claimed they addressed the issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506649) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:17 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe sweet acronyms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506752) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:23 PM Author: Awkward angry round eye plaza NVH = noise, vibration, harshness
HG = head gasket
FWIW I do think the head gasket problems have been fixed for a while now |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:25 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe My mom has an impreza that needs a new head gasket :| (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506795) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:27 PM Author: Awkward angry round eye plaza What year is it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506809) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:44 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe 08 or 09 I think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506900) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:58 PM Author: unholy casino roast beef Volvo XC90 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506647) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:58 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Garbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506651) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:00 PM Author: unholy casino roast beef Show your work. Not everyone wants/needs a Wrangler with a 6" lift and 37" tires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506669) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:28 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Modern volvos are garbage. All of them. Nothing more needs to be said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510925) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:41 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe Jeep renegade TRAILHAWK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506502) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:50 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Cherokee trailhawk looks more enticing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506578) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen garbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506588) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles and the renegade isn't ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506604) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:00 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Anything Jeep, with the only exception being the wrangler, is garbage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506668) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:17 PM Author: orchid gas station Super cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510830) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:20 PM Author: mahogany talented giraffe Seems capable, can even rock crawl https://youtu.be/gthrdNtQuJQ |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:24 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask But seriously, no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506792) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:46 PM Author: Electric Area Windowlicker Jeep = SPS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506548) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:59 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask If you're getting a Jeep, get a Wrangler or a Grand Cherokee with a V8. Otherwise, get something else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506653) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:03 PM Author: Electric Area Windowlicker The only Jeep worth buying is a Wrangler because nobody else makes something like it. Still a POS though.
Grand Cherokee even with the V8 is a total mom mobile and one of the most unreliable cars on the planet. Hilarious depreciation too. Buying one of those is like tossing $50k in a flaming oil barrel. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:16 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask You can't get performance comparable to a JGC with a V8 (on and off-road) and interior in an Overland/Summit for the price. It is a pretty good value. Personally, I let the depreciation work in my favor and bought used.
The reliability is what it is but the warranty offered is the best on the market. It is what is making me nervous about switching to MB for my next car. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:50 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen I've owned a GC, T4R, Nissan Xterra, Armada/Patrol, and driven extensively a Toyota LC, Tahoe, Tundra, Highlander, CX-7, Pilot, Durango, and X5.
light duty (CUV): Highlander medium/heavy duty (BOF SUV): T4R, Armada (2nd gen)/Patrol, or LC (if you have the $$). |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Thoughts on GX460 (basically a T4R right?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506600) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Excellent but not sure if it's worth the money over the t4R which is shares it platform with. You can get better off-road features on the t4r. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506631) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:54 PM Author: beady-eyed maize voyeur ticket booth https://youtu.be/dsTKDMnot2o (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506624) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506640) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:56 PM Author: cerebral self-absorbed market Four runner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506639) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:57 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask So you want an AWD car or an SUV?
Price range?
Size needs?
Care about snow/off road ability? |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:59 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Would go either. Want some ground clearance and need to deal w snow.
Price range is pretty open.
Size -- Anything but the smallest ones (X3, etc) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:03 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Ground clearance = not car. Next q is how much you care about performance.
So far, a million options. You can get something that is reliable and boring but has basic "luxury" (Lexus RX, Acura MDX, Audi Q7), or get something like that but cheaper (4 Runner), get the better performing version of that with less reliability (Jeep Grand Cherokee), or go all out and get top performance and good in snow/off road but that will have just ok reliability (Mercedes GLC/GLE, Porsche Cayenne).
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:09 PM Author: Electric Area Windowlicker Buy a lightly used Land Cruiser:
-Very nice inside and can tackle any terrain/snow no problem. Powerful enough but nothing crazy.
-Toyota takes a lot of pride in the LC and engineers them to last hundreds of thousands of miles in Arab deserts and shit. Build quality and durability are top notch.
-Won't look like a prick to anyone. It's just a Toyota.
-Poor value brand new but can easily save $20-30k used and owners typically take good care of them.
My parents own the pre-facelift current generation and it runs like brand new at 150k miles, no wear on the interior or rattles. Nothing but routine maintenance ever. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:59 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital MB GLS 550 or GLS 63 is the CR for SUVs and porsche carerra 4S for cars
if you dont want to spend 100K then Toyota 4Runner for SUV or Audi S3 quattro/Subaru WRX/Golf R for cars
lol @ Jeep. shit is going to rattle in couple of years and has cheap interiors. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:59 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask GLS assumes he needs the space that a GLE or GLC can't provide.
Interior on Overland/Summit Jeep Grand Cherokees are amazing. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:03 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital I picked GLS mainly for the engine. Even GLS 450 is less than 400HP which is meh considering how heavy these SUVs are. So GLS 550 or GLS 63 are perfect
GLS63 with 550HP is UNGGHHHH
if he can wait the new 2019 Porsche Cayenne redesign is INSANE and is going to absolutely PWN everything. that would be my first choice |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:11 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask I don't get it - the GLS 63 is exactly the same engine as is in the GLE 63 except it weighs more and is bigger. The GLC 63 is even smaller and has the newer engine that has less volume but more fuel efficient and puts out the same power. But how you feel about pushing the same power out of a smaller and reliability is up to you.
2019 Cayenne S seems like it might be an ok option I guess: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a12114789/2019-porsche-cayenne-here-it-is/
Similar to above, my top concern with that is pushing 440hp out of a 2.9L engine and what that is going to do to reliability.
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:17 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital modern engines are pretty reliable. HP/torque, chassis tuning/suspension is maybe the single most important criteria for me. These SUVs are heavy as fuck and I would love to have every single HP of the GLS 550 (450 HP) or GLS 63 (550HP)
GLE is only 302 HP. It would be boring as fuck to drive unless you are a soccer mom |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:20 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Bro, you don't know what you're talking about. The GLE is available with the same 577hp engine you're drooling over as the 63 AMG. The 302hp is the 3.5 naturally aspirated.
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/class/class-GLE/bodystyle-SUV/type-amg
And again, smaller and lighter car so unless you need a huge SUV, no idea what you would buy a GLS over a GLE. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:24 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital its the AMG version and more than 100K. You should have mentioned that when you kept saying GLE above. Obviously I am going to assume you are suggesting a regular GLE
AMG GLE is cool and it then comes down to how many seats and how big he wants it to be (AMG GLE vs GLS) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:24 PM Author: Electric Area Windowlicker I have no idea why someone would buy a 600hp soccer mom SUV, but to each his own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506793) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:25 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask I drove a Jeep Liberty for years, so obviously I dgaf if some people classify a car as a "chick car." I attribute exactly 0 value to that. The GLE 63 (and the GLC 63) is a 600hp demon of an SUV that is also solid offroad and luxurious. It also has a bunch of self-driving features. That makes it my perfect car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506797) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:33 PM Author: Electric Area Windowlicker Still seems disposable. The kind of bauble a rich gangster buys and gets rid of in a couple years. Nothing special, yet expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506841) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:34 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Well, I suppose that's true of all luxury cars. It is a toy for adults. That said, I keep my cars for a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506845) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:04 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles I really like the looks of the old GLK for some reason. Too bad they killed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506687) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:11 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask If you liked the GLK then just get the GLC. It is a solid car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506729) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:56 PM Author: startled sweet tailpipe yeah, it was a cool design (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34509288) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:04 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen 4S i can understand but the MB is laughable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506686) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:07 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital for SUVs those are pretty credited. My boss drives a GLS550 and I am pretty familiar with that model.
or wait for 2019 Porsche Cayenne which is going dad around everything |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:17 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask IIRC, 2019 will see a GLE redesign too and I suspect it will be a better buy than the Cayenne for a bunch of reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506753) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:12 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506731) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Concupiscible Turdskin VW/Audi quality is sps compared to Subaru.
OP should get 4Runner TRD Pro |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:28 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Subaru seems just ok in terms of quality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506813) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:36 PM Author: Concupiscible Turdskin it's not great but better than VW/Audi and cheaper to fix (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506859) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:38 PM Author: Elite mildly autistic hospital its not 2005 anymore. they are fine nowadays. more expensive to fix if they have problems sure but they are problem prone like in the early 2000s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506868) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:16 PM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles Any love for the RRS or LR4 ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506747) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:18 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Why anyone would tolerate LR reliability is beyond me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506754) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:03 AM Author: Bossy spot fat ankles preftige (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506998) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:06 AM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask How ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34507013) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:39 PM Author: wonderful sadistic center lexus rx350 f sport awd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506877) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 11:48 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Slow and boring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34506923) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:00 PM Author: wonderful sadistic center your mom is slow and boring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510255) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:06 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask True but not relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510307) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:13 PM Author: mind-boggling trailer park recommend a mommy mobile under 45k and less than 2 years old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510365) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:38 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Well equipped Jeep Grand Cherokee + Lifetime Warranty add on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34512817) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:04 AM Author: azure dilemma dopamine Subaru Impreza hatch
Why waste money? |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:51 AM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Blah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34508889) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:48 PM Author: Adulterous university national security agency wrangler with an amc engine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34509231) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:48 PM Author: razzle-dazzle garrison 90s Grand Cherokee with the 5.9 V8
WRX STI
4WD Cayenne |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:00 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Surprised at how much love the Cayenne is getting here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510254) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:25 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Considering it may be the most striverish piece of trash mentioned, it's an odd case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510901) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Low-t Personal Credit Line Lay Chevy Silverado High Country 1500 w/ 6.2L engine. POTUS of trucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34509281) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:06 PM Author: bronze wild mexican Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510313) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:26 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen For that price, an F250 w/ the 6.7 is infinitely a better truck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510909) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: mind-boggling trailer park what's the difference between the land cruiser and the lexus gx 460, why is the latter so much cheaper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510285) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:05 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask GX 460 is more like an upmarket 4Runner
The Lexus equivalent of the LC is the LX 570 |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:12 PM Author: mind-boggling trailer park ah there you go.
looking at some used ones, I really wish GC wouldn't install these screens everywhere that quickly get outdated in 2-3 years. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:07 PM Author: bronze wild mexican We just cannot have a thread like this without fish shitting it up. Goddam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510320) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:09 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask ty
I'd contribute much less if it were a minivan thread. I'd just note that they suck and move on. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:14 PM Author: Awkward angry round eye plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510372) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:22 PM Author: thriller lemon state goyim G Wagon or NOTHING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510863) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:26 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen garbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510910) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:32 PM Author: thriller lemon state goyim better than anything you suggested. If you can't afford a G wagon (AMG V12) then don't even bother getting a 4x4 SUV. Might as well just kill yourself instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34510962) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:36 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen u sound Russian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34511002) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:35 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen Here's some good pointers to follow:
Japanese: with the ONLY exception being Toyota, only buy cars/trucks built in Japanese factories. U.S. made jap vehicles (other than Toyota) are SPS.
German: only quality built SUVs are built by MB. No exceptions. Avoid their shit tier FWD CUVs.
Domestic: Ford/GM -- only BOF SUVs/pickups are worth buying. Obviously, avoid Jeep except wrangler. Avoid RAM. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:52 PM Author: hairraiser silver orchestra pit pocket flask Porsche is solid too, just not a great value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34512926) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:17 PM Author: Bateful reading party liquid oxygen As a car, yes. CUV? The cayenne is VW derived garbage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34514134) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:12 PM Author: Sinister odious parlour Porsche 911 C4S (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772065&forum_id=2#34514099) |