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Trump: 401k's are just a tax haven for the rich. Middle class hurting. Bad deal!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9224281186...
cheese-eating violent plaza famous landscape painting
  10/23/17
Told u fags this was fake news
razzle-dazzle flickering house
  10/23/17
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carnelian nudist windowlicker
  10/23/17
401ks are a huge scam, possibly the biggest scam perpetrated...
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
Go on
razzle-dazzle flickering house
  10/23/17
It's like this: You're ten years old. Your uncle gives you a...
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
sad!
Spectacular twinkling boiling water
  10/23/17
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Bateful fanboi
  10/23/17
just checked my 401K balance. $ is still there.
kink-friendly mood
  10/23/17
try asking to have it and see what they say
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
pretty sure I would just have to pay taxes on it and some bu...
kink-friendly mood
  10/23/17
("pretty sure" guy who hasn't looked into the fine...
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
but i bet you have, mr smart guy!
kink-friendly mood
  10/23/17
just asked my (((mom))), she said it's still there
Deranged incel
  10/23/17
This literally happened to me. Except the roles were reverse...
multi-colored cyan church building hominid
  10/23/17
My sister-in-law takes all of the gift cards we all give my ...
orange adventurous haunted graveyard
  10/23/17
you: giving your nephew gift cards wtf is wrong with you
Bateful fanboi
  10/23/17
I have no idea what to fucking give him. I live 1,200 mile...
orange adventurous haunted graveyard
  10/23/17
Nah it's actually pretty great if you have impulse control a...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
Good day to you Mr. Goldstein
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
Look at it this way. In 35 years, there's a good chance you...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
tell me more about what there is a good chance of in 35 year...
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
Seriously. Just lol
Vengeful Dilemma
  10/23/17
Are you not doing the same? Predicting policy changes? Wha...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
I have 100k liquid from working two jobs as a 3rd year law s...
turquoise liquid oxygen hospital
  10/23/17
Okay, well your situation shouldn't be applied to everyone. ...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
lol
Effete school cafeteria half-breed
  10/23/17
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Mauve kitchen cuck
  10/23/17
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Fantasy-prone striped hyena cuckold
  10/23/17
*LathamTouchedMe seething, donating $27 to pro-immigration c...
rose yarmulke
  10/23/17
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apoplectic shrine pisswyrm
  10/23/17
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Vengeful Dilemma
  10/23/17
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chest-beating glittery hall
  10/23/17
Xo Trump
frum sanctuary
  10/23/17
lol at trumpmos cheering trump's "decision" to kee...
Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio
  10/23/17
lol, credited. Like the GOP isn't hunting for anything to sn...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
I disagree vehemently with Trump's decision but both of you ...
Spectacular twinkling boiling water
  10/23/17
No, I said it would never fly once light were shed on it. Fa...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
*gaped*
Spectacular twinkling boiling water
  10/23/17
Look if Trump actually offered a tax plan that was even mild...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
Gaped because I said it was a bad idea and apparently Trump ...
Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio
  10/23/17
I was just starting a conversation!
Spectacular twinkling boiling water
  10/24/17
protip: 401(k) contributions were never on the chopping bloc...
razzle-dazzle flickering house
  10/23/17
sad. nevertrumpers and shitlibs were having a great time in ...
anal pocket flask
  10/23/17
I'm sure they'll show up itt to cheer for Trump
Duck-like hot blood rage
  10/23/17
401Ks are a bet your future tax rates will be lower than cur...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
bingo, though growth tax free is nice the biggest benefit...
rose yarmulke
  10/23/17
yea 401K match gave companies cover to get rid of defined...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
what would be a scenario in which someone has a higher tax r...
anal pocket flask
  10/23/17
We don't know future tax rates. Lots of say 150K or less ...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
If you're contributing from a young age, the savings from no...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
sorry (lol law board) but 100 dollars growing for 10% for 30...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
Gains are taxed at 15-23.8% long term cap gains rate in 2nd ...
Lavender national toilet seat
  10/23/17
You don't know future cap gains rate. And it's not favorable...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
It won’t for 0, that’s for sure.
Lavender national toilet seat
  10/23/17
401(k) Withdrawals Are Income When you take withdrawals fro...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
You were incorrect in your second scenario. Your $65 gets in...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
unrealized gains are taxed?
Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio
  10/23/17
No, but there are sometimes capital gains in mutual funds th...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
401k withdrawals are taxed as regular income, yes. But yo...
Lavender national toilet seat
  10/23/17
OK but it was just to illustrate it's a pure tax arbitrage n...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
But it's not pure tax arbitrage. You don't pay capital gain...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
It's tax avoidance only if your correctly guess your current...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
"with some room for fudge error because of the capital ...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
You have more control over when to take gains than 401k with...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
The point about using Roth 401k or IRA is fair. Given the un...
mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat
  10/23/17
WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING THE CAPITAL GAINS THERE ARE TWO ...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
I didn't get that you want to assume everything is contribut...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
You sound really ignorant on this stuff man. You fail to gr...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
??? roth gains aren't taxed
sable center goal in life
  10/23/17
It's 401k vs regular not 401k vs roth
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
You need to tax the interest in the second scenario. lol ...
Mustard corner
  10/23/17
Withdrawals from your 401(k) do not qualify for capital gain...
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
Lmao how fucking dumb are you? "Fail to qualify for ca...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
It is hilarious how people think that the benefit of 401ks i...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
Wtf should i be doing then? Just contributing up to my emplo...
anal pocket flask
  10/23/17
No - contribute as much as you can. 401ks are great. I'm j...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
you should probably let your husband handle your finances
kink-friendly mood
  10/23/17
Lol sorry all withdrawals r taxed as ordinary income
Cowardly State
  10/23/17
are you not forgetting capital gains taxes you don't have to...
Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness
  10/23/17
He also said on twitter that we would be guaranteed to have ...
Hyperventilating wagecucks
  10/23/17
*Bizzarro Trump vetoing first legislative accomplishment bec...
Copper coldplay fan place of business
  10/23/17
None of this matters when Kamal Harris taxes the shit out of...
lake juggernaut
  10/23/17
the biggest advantage of 401Ks is that it highly motivates T...
carnelian nudist windowlicker
  10/23/17
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  10/24/17


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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:03 AM
Author: cheese-eating violent plaza famous landscape painting

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/922428118685581313

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34507906)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:21 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle flickering house

Told u fags this was fake news

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34507949)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:36 PM
Author: carnelian nudist windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34510079)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:22 AM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

401ks are a huge scam, possibly the biggest scam perpetrated on Americans today

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34507953)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:23 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle flickering house

Go on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34507956)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

It's like this: You're ten years old. Your uncle gives you a hundred dollar bill for birthday. Your (((mom))) takes it for "safekeeping." You never see it again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508658)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: Spectacular twinkling boiling water

sad!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508666)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: Bateful fanboi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508781)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:48 AM
Author: kink-friendly mood

just checked my 401K balance. $ is still there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508869)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:29 PM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

try asking to have it and see what they say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509112)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:38 PM
Author: kink-friendly mood

pretty sure I would just have to pay taxes on it and some bullshit 10% penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509174)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

("pretty sure" guy who hasn't looked into the fine print)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509189)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:44 PM
Author: kink-friendly mood

but i bet you have, mr smart guy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509202)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: Deranged incel

just asked my (((mom))), she said it's still there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509383)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: multi-colored cyan church building hominid

This literally happened to me. Except the roles were reversed. My mom and other relatives gave me money for birthdays and other holidays. My (((uncle))) takes it for safekeeping and I have never seen that money again. LJL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508905)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:02 PM
Author: orange adventurous haunted graveyard

My sister-in-law takes all of the gift cards we all give my nephew for birthdays and holidays and uses them the next year for Christmas gifts for him.

I wouldn't mind buying a gift, but she never tells me what he wants. I think it's so she gets to buy the fun stuff for him with our money and it's like it comes from her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508945)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: Bateful fanboi

you: giving your nephew gift cards

wtf is wrong with you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509040)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: orange adventurous haunted graveyard

I have no idea what to fucking give him. I live 1,200 miles away and she won't tell me what he wants or already has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509130)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:22 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

Nah it's actually pretty great if you have impulse control and the mental ability, foresight, and discipline to save. People that complain about "government taking it" have no clue what they are talking about.

401k's eliminate costly capital gains taxes and will give you a most likely lower tax rate. Even if the tax rate isn't lower, the capital gains savings are big enough that anyone should max it out if they have enough. Worst case if you need it then you pay a 10% penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509060)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

Good day to you Mr. Goldstein

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509109)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

Look at it this way. In 35 years, there's a good chance youll be paying more in capital gains taxes from your regular account investments than I will in "income tax" from my 401k in the 10% or whatever tax bracket. And that's after you already paid taxes on yours and I haven't.

pwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509129)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

tell me more about what there is a good chance of in 35 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509133)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:36 PM
Author: Vengeful Dilemma

Seriously. Just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509161)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

Are you not doing the same? Predicting policy changes? What you are doing is less reasonable actually.

Under the current rules, there are huge advantages to 401ks for people making above $100k or so a year (person not household)

It'll require pretty large rule changes that would have to overcome large, heated opposition to alter that.

And even if that happened, at worst you are probably put in same position as if you hadn't put it in 401k.

It is highly unlikely that putting it in 401k would end up costing you money, unless you are a prole that can't handle savings and need to take it out.

Are you a prole with no impulse control, brother?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509182)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: turquoise liquid oxygen hospital

I have 100k liquid from working two jobs as a 3rd year law student. So definitely prole but the impulse control thing is debatable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509193)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

Okay, well your situation shouldn't be applied to everyone. There are definitely benefits to a lot of people and you'll understand one day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509242)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: Effete school cafeteria half-breed

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509964)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 8:24 AM
Author: Mauve kitchen cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34507961)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:31 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone striped hyena cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508498)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:32 AM
Author: rose yarmulke

*LathamTouchedMe seething, donating $27 to pro-immigration causes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508506)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:47 AM
Author: apoplectic shrine pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508554)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:37 PM
Author: Vengeful Dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509166)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:52 PM
Author: chest-beating glittery hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34514520)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:40 AM
Author: frum sanctuary

Xo Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508526)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:43 AM
Author: Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio

lol at trumpmos cheering trump's "decision" to keep 401ks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508534)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

lol, credited. Like the GOP isn't hunting for anything to sneak by us to get their shit tax cuts past the Byrd rule. Also, I've seen Trump's pronouncements on healthcare. I could see him arguing in the future that the "Rothification" of 401k's is not a change at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508629)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: Spectacular twinkling boiling water

I disagree vehemently with Trump's decision but both of you spent all Friday crowing about how Trump was axing 401ks. u've been gaped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508648)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

No, I said it would never fly once light were shed on it. Face it, Trump's tax plan is garbage and will ultimately have to be paid for with tax increases on certain umc people. That's the fundamental problem here. If it's not a change in 401k policy, it will be something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508670)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: Spectacular twinkling boiling water

*gaped*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508676)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

Look if Trump actually offered a tax plan that was even mildly populist I would be behind it 100%. The outline the administration released is standard conservative garbage that Trumpmos on this board should be shouting down. It will require reconciliation, which means it will have to be paid for through increased revenues from umc and middle-class taxpayers.

My hope is that the GOP efforts end up like the AHCA and Trump then starts making serious efforts to lead a bipartisan effort. The problem is that Trump hasn't even shown a willingness to back the Lamar Alexander/Murray bipartisan healthcare bill. He seems dead set on governing as a standard issue conservative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508717)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio

Gaped because I said it was a bad idea and apparently Trump agrees with me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508878)



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Date: October 24th, 2017 9:09 AM
Author: Spectacular twinkling boiling water

I was just starting a conversation!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34516282)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle flickering house

protip: 401(k) contributions were never on the chopping block. this was a flame meme pushed by libs and the MSM.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509142)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: anal pocket flask

sad. nevertrumpers and shitlibs were having a great time in that other thread jerking each other off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508585)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: Duck-like hot blood rage

I'm sure they'll show up itt to cheer for Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508673)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:52 AM
Author: Cowardly State

401Ks are a bet your future tax rates will be lower than current tax rates. For some people that's a good bet, others, less so. You'll be forced to withdraw x amount every month starting at 70.5 so tax planning has limitations.

401Ks make you feel richer than you are. People tend to count it in their heads as 100% of account value but really they should count it as 100% less expected effective tax rate at withdrawal of its value. So really, in a bad future tax scenario, your 401K is actually worth 50% of account value.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508895)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:55 AM
Author: rose yarmulke

bingo, though growth tax free is nice

the biggest benefit to a 401(k) is an employer match. everyone should always contribute to obtain the full match.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508910)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: Cowardly State

yea

401K match gave companies cover to get rid of defined benefits though but then those are worthless if you can't stay 10 years+ so it's a wash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508919)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: anal pocket flask

what would be a scenario in which someone has a higher tax rate at age 71?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508923)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:00 PM
Author: Cowardly State

We don't know future tax rates.

Lots of say 150K or less 2 kid families (most households) have pretty low current tax though so the benefit of a 401K is really overblown for them. They're taking on future tax policy risk.

It makes sense for all the xo pumos making 500K+ since their marginal rate is just so damn high, unless this country really goes to shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508930)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

If you're contributing from a young age, the savings from no taxation on your gains could mean that you still save even if your tax rate is higher at retirement. Using a roth IRA (or backdoor roth if necessary) to balance out the regular 401k is a good idea to cover either tax scenario.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509034)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:21 PM
Author: Cowardly State

sorry (lol law board) but 100 dollars growing for 10% for 30 years then taxed at 35% is the same thing as 65 dollars growing at 10% for 30 years then not taxed.

401k is a pure tax arb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509050)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:24 PM
Author: Lavender national toilet seat

Gains are taxed at 15-23.8% long term cap gains rate in 2nd scenario though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509076)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:26 PM
Author: Cowardly State

You don't know future cap gains rate. And it's not favorable if your not that high income to start with even with current rates. It's a pure tax bet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509087)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:27 PM
Author: Lavender national toilet seat

It won’t for 0, that’s for sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509100)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: Cowardly State

401(k) Withdrawals Are Income

When you take withdrawals from your 401(k) account, that money becomes regular taxable income to you. You report retirement plan payments on your taxes as income and not as investment gains or investment income. Withdrawing from your 401(k) in retirement produces the same type of taxable income as earning a salary or wages when you were working. Any and all money you take from your 401(k) account must be reported as income for the year of withdrawal. If you take money from your 401(k) before age 59 1/2, an extra 10 percent tax penalty will apply.

Are u sure? Sounds like all withdrawal is taxed as ordinary income.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509143)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:44 PM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

You were incorrect in your second scenario. Your $65 gets invested and then you get taxed AGAIN each year for any of the capital gains and dividends you make on the investment (15% or 23.8% depending on bracket). That's what you are missing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509206)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: Garnet Zombie-like Point Digit Ratio

unrealized gains are taxed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509262)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

No, but there are sometimes capital gains in mutual funds that are generated each year (the fund sells some stock). Those are usually pretty small though. And there are dividends too. Then there are the capital gains when you actually sell the security. Gunt didn't add any of that into the example she used.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509280)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: Lavender national toilet seat

401k withdrawals are taxed as regular income, yes.

But your 2nd scenario is where you’ve already been taxed and then invest the rest for a 10% gain. The gain will be taxed at long term cap gain rates.

That needs to be taken into account. You cant say that the value of your 401k is only 60-70% if its value, but then ignore that all your non 401k investments (other than $500k gains on your primary residence) will also be taxed upon withdrawal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509220)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Cowardly State

OK but it was just to illustrate it's a pure tax arbitrage not that you won't pay tax on brokerage acct withdrawals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509241)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

But it's not pure tax arbitrage. You don't pay capital gains taxes. That's just tax avoidance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509258)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Cowardly State

It's tax avoidance only if your correctly guess your current ordinary income rates are lower than your future ordinary income rates with some room for fudge error because of the capital gains issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509293)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:59 PM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

"with some room for fudge error because of the capital gains issue."

It's not a "fudge error", especially if you've been investing 40+ years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509316)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:07 PM
Author: Cowardly State

You have more control over when to take gains than 401k withdrawals. And most people's contributions weigh later in life than earlier in life. You need to correct call future income and capital gains tax rates to definitely determine benefits. It's a lot less than most people imagine and you lose a lot of flexibility during deferral and withdrawal.

Alternative isn't just brokerage accounts for average Americans. Lots of people may be better off in Roths. Even then, a retired couples would 75K+ in taxable income to start paying capital gains. You can selectively withdraw down to avoid it with brokerage accounts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509356)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:15 PM
Author: mind-boggling rebellious step-uncle's house kitty cat

The point about using Roth 401k or IRA is fair. Given the uncertainty, I think it's best to use both, although most employers don't offer a roth 401k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509399)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:26 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING THE CAPITAL GAINS

THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT ADVANTAGES:

TAX ARBITRAGE

AVOIDANCE OF CAPITAL GAINS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509465)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:41 PM
Author: Cowardly State

I didn't get that you want to assume everything is contributed to an ordinary brokerage account instead vs. something with similar limitations. That's why I initially thought you guys meant 401k gains get capital tax treatment.

There's hard to capture value in the long term flexibility of an ordinary brokerage account. And more things to have done with money besides that if you unlimit yourself to retirement accounts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509556)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:23 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

You sound really ignorant on this stuff man. You fail to grasp basic concepts then later dodge the point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509960)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: sable center goal in life

??? roth gains aren't taxed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509197)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

It's 401k vs regular not 401k vs roth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509971)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:27 PM
Author: Mustard corner

You need to tax the interest in the second scenario.

lol law bort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509094)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: Cowardly State

Withdrawals from your 401(k) do not qualify for capital gain tax breaks when you start to take them out at retirement, so you can’t pay the capital gains rate. However, keep in mind that they are wonderful ways to save for your retirement, as they have the benefit of tax-deferred growth over the years until you retire.

Lol lawyers



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509192)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

Lmao how fucking dumb are you? "Fail to qualify for capital gain tax breaks"? Wtf? You don't pay capital gains taxes idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509953)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

It is hilarious how people think that the benefit of 401ks is the "tax deferred growth". LMAO.

This is forcememed by everyone including media. Not many people understand your example.

But everyone forgets about no capital gains taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509118)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: anal pocket flask

Wtf should i be doing then? Just contributing up to my employer match and the rest in regular investments?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509183)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

No - contribute as much as you can. 401ks are great. I'm just saying the reason people usually think this is misguided.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509245)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:48 PM
Author: kink-friendly mood

you should probably let your husband handle your finances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509229)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Cowardly State

Lol sorry all withdrawals r taxed as ordinary income

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509234)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: Hairless Contagious Meetinghouse Messiness

are you not forgetting capital gains taxes you don't have to pay?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509105)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: Hyperventilating wagecucks

He also said on twitter that we would be guaranteed to have better Trumpcare by end of summer so...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508924)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: Copper coldplay fan place of business

*Bizzarro Trump vetoing first legislative accomplishment because it hurts 401ks*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34508939)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:10 PM
Author: lake juggernaut

None of this matters when Kamal Harris taxes the shit out of 401ks (its a thinly veiled White Tax)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34509373)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 2:31 PM
Author: carnelian nudist windowlicker

the biggest advantage of 401Ks is that it highly motivates TTT Americans who would gladly buy a new 4K TV or stretch their car budget instead of saving anything. By making it tax exempt and helping them save 1000s of dollars in taxes upfront it convinces them to put their money away

if there is no 401K and only IRA people wouldnt save as much and some would put in nothing at all

also at the end of the day for 95% of people its a good deal since its very unlikely they will have a higher tax rate at 65 than their peak earning years

its one of the few things that our tax system does well. its much better than the mortgage interest deduction or state tax deduction for sure. I would get rid of those two first before even thinking of 401k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34510028)



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Date: October 24th, 2017 9:26 AM
Author: pale disturbing azn

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772213&forum_id=2#34516399)