John Kelly says more dumb shit; this time about Civil War and Columbus
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Date: October 31st, 2017 2:28 PM Author: godawful jap
“I think we make a mistake, though, and as a society and certainly as, as individuals, when we take what is today accepted as right and wrong and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more and say what those, you know, what Christopher Columbus did was wrong,” he said. “You know, 500 years later, it’s inconceivable to me that you would take what we think now and apply it back then.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/31/john-kelly-calls-robert-e-lee-an-honorable-man-and-says-lack-of-compromise-caused-the-civil-war/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a2cdc02d6b42
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571293) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 4:09 PM Author: lavender sickened step-uncle's house rigor
Anyone who agrees with John Kelly on this idiocy is a retard. Columbus's actions weren't even "accepted as right" back in his own time:
By this time, accusations of tyranny and incompetence on the part of Columbus had also reached the Court. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand responded by removing Columbus from power and replacing him with Francisco de Bobadilla, a member of the Order of Calatrava. Bobadilla, who ruled as governor from 1500 until his death in a storm in 1502, had also been tasked by the Court with investigating the accusations of brutality made against Columbus. Arriving in Santo Domingo while Columbus was away in the explorations of his third voyage, Bobadilla was immediately met with complaints about all three Columbus brothers: Christopher, Bartolomeo, and Diego. Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[84]
According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[84] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt; he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[85] "Columbus's government was characterised by a form of tyranny," Consuelo Varela, a Spanish historian who has seen the document, told journalists.[84] "Even those who loved him had to admit the atrocities that had taken place."[84]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34572285) |
Date: October 31st, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Useless brethren
common sense
should we say Moses was wrong for killing Canaanites too
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571304) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 4:11 PM Author: lavender sickened step-uncle's house rigor
and it wasn't even defended in Columbus's own time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Accusations_of_tyranny
John Kelly is a retard. Columbus's actions weren't even "accepted as right" back in his own time:
By this time, accusations of tyranny and incompetence on the part of Columbus had also reached the Court. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand responded by removing Columbus from power and replacing him with Francisco de Bobadilla, a member of the Order of Calatrava. Bobadilla, who ruled as governor from 1500 until his death in a storm in 1502, had also been tasked by the Court with investigating the accusations of brutality made against Columbus. Arriving in Santo Domingo while Columbus was away in the explorations of his third voyage, Bobadilla was immediately met with complaints about all three Columbus brothers: Christopher, Bartolomeo, and Diego. Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[84]
According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[84] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt; he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[85] "Columbus's government was characterised by a form of tyranny," Consuelo Varela, a Spanish historian who has seen the document, told journalists.[84] "Even those who loved him had to admit the atrocities that had taken place."[84]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34572300) |
Date: October 31st, 2017 2:36 PM Author: Overrated Immigrant
morality, like reasonableness in common law, is relative. news at 11
fuck libs for acting like they are clued in to some omnipotent sense of absolute morality
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571388) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 2:51 PM Author: avocado hospital
what point are you trying to make?
the nation came close to civil war multiple times in its early decades, and it was avoided via compromise each time. stephen douglas was trying to cobble together some kind of compromise again in 1860 but failed. oh and don't forget lincoln:
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571545) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 3:03 PM Author: godawful jap
*Believes the North wants to take away their slaves*
*Believes their economy DEPENDS on slave labor*
*succeeds from the Union*
*Puts slavery in their declaration of succession*
???
What did they think would happen if they LOST the war with the North? That Lincoln & Co. would be like, "We PWN'd you, but nbd about those slaves you still have."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571631)
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Date: October 31st, 2017 3:06 PM Author: godawful jap
HOLY SHIT!
I TYPED THE WRONG THING!!!
I'M TOTALLY PWND!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571651) |
Date: October 31st, 2017 2:38 PM Author: orange indian lodge mad cow disease
he is 100% right you dumbfuck. 500 years from now ALL of us would be looked at us as evil monsters with TTT way of life.
you think "progress" is finite? I am sure libs in 1500 thought of themselves as enlightened when they proposed that slaves shouldnt be worked more than 12 hrs a day
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571412) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 3:11 PM Author: godawful jap
"Kelly is wrong"
"Kelly is wrong"
"Kelly is wrong"
"Kelly is wrong"
This is becoming a re-occurring theme.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34571695) |
Date: October 31st, 2017 3:52 PM Author: alcoholic swashbuckling fortuitous meteor feces
he's right. we make progress in terms of moral knowledge.
applying today's moral standards to 500 years ago and calling the 16th-century people evil is kinda like calling them backwards and stupid for not using iPhones.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781030&forum_id=2#34572120) |
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