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ARTICLE: Smartphones have destroyed the unfortunate losers born since 1995.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the...
Boyish House
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Dull locus
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lavender charismatic trump supporter cumskin
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comical kitty school
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lavender charismatic trump supporter cumskin
  11/07/17
I was born in 1990, don't use a smartphone, and still feel l...
Nubile white filthpig
  11/07/17
Just imagine how much more fucked up you could have been.
Boyish House
  11/07/17
honestly I might've been better off because then my peers wo...
Nubile white filthpig
  11/07/17
"It’s not an exaggeration to describe iGen as being on ...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
sounds about right
idiotic station corn cake
  11/07/17
"But the allure of independence, so powerful to previou...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
"Across a range of behaviors—drinking, dating, spending...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
good god. when I was 15, I went to my first out of state ha...
passionate site knife
  11/07/17
People who would once be babysitters are now sometimes babys...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
to be fair, as teenage males commit a disproportionate am...
180 pervert
  11/07/17
(guy who thinks his stolen iPhone will pacify the yoofs inst...
cheese-eating spot clown
  11/07/17
really don't care as long as they're redpilled and not belie...
burgundy mind-boggling puppy
  11/07/17
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titillating field
  11/07/17
Hmm..a country full of man child racists. Sounds promising.
marvelous pit
  11/12/17
The Atlantic is for middlebrow retards.
Nudist Multi-colored Stage
  11/07/17
Replied the pumo, a 17-year-old obsessively monitoring his v...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
view counts? did rach upgrade the bort again?
Exhilarant windowlicker
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purple confused internal respiration ticket booth
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vigorous love of her life brunch
  05/23/18
The evidence in this article is weak, but I agree with the t...
Dashing heaven
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Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks
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Bonkers racy generalized bond round eye
  12/18/17
my babby is fucked even if I want to crunchy granola scre...
navy place of business crackhouse
  11/07/17
Even only being half autistic will make him a certified gold...
cheese-eating spot clown
  11/12/17
I blame Post 2008 ITE. This is just a symptom
Slippery police squad
  11/07/17
Agreed. He says the big shift happened in 2012 and speculate...
Godawful Jet Elastic Band
  11/07/17
I don't think that accounts for all the data. For instance, ...
Boyish House
  11/07/17
There’s not a single exception. All screen activities are li...
Exhilarant windowlicker
  11/07/17
there's a study that shows that even having the phone next t...
Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks
  11/07/17
just do have a job that *requires* you to be in front of a s...
Lascivious fuchsia electric furnace
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honey-headed startling parlor
  06/20/19
*kills self*
swashbuckling associate forum
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Lascivious fuchsia electric furnace
  06/20/19
It makes the girls whores so that's a plus.
Histrionic mint toilet seat fortuitous meteor
  11/07/17
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Histrionic mint toilet seat fortuitous meteor
  11/07/17
https://twitter.com/DegenRolf/status/927793494307102720
Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks
  11/07/17
Depression Ring http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?threa...
Boyish House
  11/12/17
Another good Millennials are totally fucked article http:...
Boyish House
  12/18/17
"LOL at these losers," the XO artist lisped as he ...
Impressive Excitant Stead Pistol
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infuriating rigpig state
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free-loading glittery home
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swashbuckling associate forum
  12/18/17
this is why i don't let my kids have smart phones or ipads. ...
free-loading glittery home
  11/12/17
lol at this pedo intro... One day last summer, around noo...
free-loading glittery home
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Deranged menage
  05/23/18
https://www.wired.com/story/why-teens-arent-partying-anymore...
Boyish House
  01/03/18
smartphones sort of ruined ditching people so nerds have tha...
grizzly frum twinkling uncleanness
  01/03/18
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Lemon angry den chad
  05/23/18
180. We are all losers now.
Umber Athletic Conference Mood
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Boyish House
  08/13/18
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Boyish House
  01/17/19
9 year old hangs self after Mom takes her phone away http...
Boyish House
  02/19/19
Boy, 13, who ran away during snow storm after parents took h...
Boyish House
  02/19/19
Social media linked to rise in mental health disorders in te...
Boyish House
  03/15/19
They’re also all gay
saffron cuckoldry queen of the night
  03/15/19
yeah sounds about right
Pink trip affirmative action
  03/15/19
What is the cr move for kid havers? Just make sure kids are ...
Avocado Elite Corner Hominid
  03/15/19
Horns are growing on young people’s skulls. Phone use ...
Boyish House
  06/20/19
holy shit not flame long live the new flesh i guess
honey-headed startling parlor
  06/20/19
From a Forbes article about the Facebook document mentioned ...
honey-headed startling parlor
  06/20/19
Today’s Teenage Girls Amid our huge, unplanned experi...
Boyish House
  08/18/19
The accelerating flow of information makes Gen Z particularl...
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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:18 AM
Author: Boyish House

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/

Summary: They're depressed, lonely, tired, neurotic, developmentally delayed, and dependent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623257)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:26 AM
Author: Dull locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623280)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:28 AM
Author: lavender charismatic trump supporter cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623282)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:01 AM
Author: comical kitty school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34946842)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:25 AM
Author: lavender charismatic trump supporter cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623275)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:29 AM
Author: Nubile white filthpig

I was born in 1990, don't use a smartphone, and still feel like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623283)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:32 AM
Author: Boyish House

Just imagine how much more fucked up you could have been.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623287)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 3:40 AM
Author: Nubile white filthpig

honestly I might've been better off because then my peers would be just as fucked up. I'd fit in better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34623299)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:36 AM
Author: Boyish House

"It’s not an exaggeration to describe iGen as being on the brink of the worst mental-health crisis in decades. Much of this deterioration can be traced to their phones."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624919)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:37 AM
Author: idiotic station corn cake

sounds about right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624923)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:37 AM
Author: Boyish House

"But the allure of independence, so powerful to previous generations, holds less sway over today’s teens, who are less likely to leave the house without their parents. The shift is stunning: 12th-graders in 2015 were going out less often than eighth-graders did as recently as 2009."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624927)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:39 AM
Author: Boyish House

"Across a range of behaviors—drinking, dating, spending time unsupervised— 18-year-olds now act more like 15-year-olds used to, and 15-year-olds more like 13-year-olds. Childhood now stretches well into high school."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624933)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: passionate site knife

good god. when I was 15, I went to my first out of state hardcore show - driving through an ice storm to the suburbs of Philadelphia. The same year, I also went to hardcore shows in NYC - surrounded by skinheads and basically street people. Also went to a show in New Haven CT - 10-11 dudes in a single holiday inn motel room while gunshots rang out most of the night outside.

I'd just tell my dad "hey I'm leaving for NYC/Boston/wherever, be back Sunday afternoon" and he never asked questions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624984)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:54 AM
Author: Boyish House

People who would once be babysitters are now sometimes babysat.

It's a dangerous world out there (by which I mean it's about the safest it has ever been).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625018)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: 180 pervert

to be fair,

as teenage males commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, maybe the total pussification of american teens are the cause of the safety.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625174)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 2:19 PM
Author: cheese-eating spot clown

(guy who thinks his stolen iPhone will pacify the yoofs instead of being used to film his assrape)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34626661)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:39 AM
Author: burgundy mind-boggling puppy

really don't care as long as they're redpilled and not believing this pc diversity = strength bs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624935)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:41 AM
Author: titillating field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624946)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: marvelous pit

Hmm..a country full of man child racists. Sounds promising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34668243)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:40 AM
Author: Nudist Multi-colored Stage

The Atlantic is for middlebrow retards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624938)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:47 AM
Author: Boyish House

Replied the pumo, a 17-year-old obsessively monitoring his view counts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624969)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Exhilarant windowlicker

view counts? did rach upgrade the bort again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625168)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 2:02 PM
Author: purple confused internal respiration ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34626482)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: vigorous love of her life brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36111303)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:41 AM
Author: Dashing heaven

The evidence in this article is weak, but I agree with the thrust of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624941)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624985)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 5:25 AM
Author: Bonkers racy generalized bond round eye



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34947043)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: navy place of business crackhouse

my babby is fucked

even if I want to crunchy granola screens out of his life he is facing a world of screen zombie risk averse dweebos

fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34624989)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: cheese-eating spot clown

Even only being half autistic will make him a certified golden god in 20 years. just socialize him with other people's little girls and make him play outside lots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34667870)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:11 AM
Author: Slippery police squad

I blame Post 2008 ITE. This is just a symptom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625104)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: Godawful Jet Elastic Band

Agreed. He says the big shift happened in 2012 and speculates that it relates to smartphones taking 50%+ of the market share of phones. But the long-lasting impact of ITE wasn't realized by a lot of the population until later, when it was clear that any recovery would not drastically improve the quality of life for most working Americans. I think adolescent issues like depression are closely correlated with household income/wealth instability and the anti-social behaviors that result from that (parental alcoholism, long-term unemployment for dad, mom on pills, divorce, depressed parents etc.).

People of means aren't much better; they turn their kids into neurotic freaks because they are so afraid that their kids will fall through the cracks like everyone else has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625331)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 2:01 PM
Author: Boyish House

I don't think that accounts for all the data. For instance, ninth graders don't have significantly less sex because their parents' house is underwater.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34626465)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Exhilarant windowlicker

There’s not a single exception. All screen activities are linked to less happiness, and all nonscreen activities are linked to more happiness.

Haha, yeah well that's obvious!

*clicks poast*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625161)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 6:26 PM
Author: Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks

there's a study that shows that even having the phone next to you on a nightstand as your go to bed decreased quality of sleep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34628873)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:19 AM
Author: Lascivious fuchsia electric furnace

just do have a job that *requires* you to be in front of a screen all day (except for one day a month when you spend an hour in court).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36110920)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:12 AM
Author: honey-headed startling parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414517)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:19 AM
Author: swashbuckling associate forum

*kills self*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414524)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:57 AM
Author: Lascivious fuchsia electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414581)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: Histrionic mint toilet seat fortuitous meteor

It makes the girls whores so that's a plus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34625261)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: Histrionic mint toilet seat fortuitous meteor

....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34626730)



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Date: November 7th, 2017 6:29 PM
Author: Pontificating hairraiser wagecucks

https://twitter.com/DegenRolf/status/927793494307102720

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34628892)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: Boyish House

Depression Ring

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3341383&forum_id=2#31526979

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34667690)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:54 AM
Author: Boyish House

Another good Millennials are totally fucked article

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3831323&forum_id=2#34942471



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34946833)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 12:03 PM
Author: Impressive Excitant Stead Pistol

"LOL at these losers," the XO artist lisped as he entered hour 38 of his weekend poasting binge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34667752)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: infuriating rigpig state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34667801)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 12:21 PM
Author: free-loading glittery home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34667890)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 5:23 AM
Author: swashbuckling associate forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34947038)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 1:13 PM
Author: free-loading glittery home

this is why i don't let my kids have smart phones or ipads. they had an ipad for a while and it was completely warping their behavior and ruining them like the article says.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34668210)



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Date: November 12th, 2017 1:15 PM
Author: free-loading glittery home

lol at this pedo intro...

One day last summer, around noon, I called Athena, a 13-year-old who lives in Houston, Texas. She answered her phone—she’s had an iPhone since she was 11—sounding as if she’d just woken up. We chatted about her favorite songs and TV shows, and I asked her what she likes to do with her friends. “We go to the mall,” she said. “Do your parents drop you off?,” I asked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#34668218)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Deranged menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36111331)



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Date: January 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: Boyish House

https://www.wired.com/story/why-teens-arent-partying-anymore/

"The number of teens who get together with their friends every day has been cut in half in just fifteen years, with especially steep declines recently."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#35075496)



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Date: January 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: grizzly frum twinkling uncleanness

smartphones sort of ruined ditching people so nerds have that advantage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#35075511)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Lemon angry den chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36113496)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: Umber Athletic Conference Mood

180. We are all losers now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36201736)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Boyish House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#36609808)



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Date: January 17th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: Boyish House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37609497)



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Date: February 19th, 2019 6:23 AM
Author: Boyish House

9 year old hangs self after Mom takes her phone away

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4204692&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37806677)



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Date: February 19th, 2019 6:25 AM
Author: Boyish House

Boy, 13, who ran away during snow storm after parents took his phone away is found dead

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/28/boy-13-ran-away-snow-storm-parents-took-phone-away-found-dead-8404698/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37806680)



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Date: March 15th, 2019 12:25 AM
Author: Boyish House

Social media linked to rise in mental health disorders in teens, survey finds

Young adults born after 1995 are experiencing more mental health issues. Researchers point to lack of sleep and the rise of social media.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/social-media-linked-rise-mental-health-disorders-teens-survey-finds-n982526

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37934152)



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Date: March 15th, 2019 12:26 AM
Author: saffron cuckoldry queen of the night

They’re also all gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37934160)



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Date: March 15th, 2019 12:25 AM
Author: Pink trip affirmative action

yeah sounds about right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37934155)



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Date: March 15th, 2019 1:18 AM
Author: Avocado Elite Corner Hominid

What is the cr move for kid havers? Just make sure kids are in lots of activities so they can't fuck around on phone all day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#37934506)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:05 AM
Author: Boyish House

Horns are growing on young people’s skulls. Phone use is to blame, research suggests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/20/horns-are-growing-young-peoples-skulls-phone-use-is-blame-research-suggests/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414515)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:13 AM
Author: honey-headed startling parlor

holy shit not flame

long live the new flesh i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414518)



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Date: June 20th, 2019 7:12 AM
Author: honey-headed startling parlor

From a Forbes article about the Facebook document mentioned in the Atlantic piece:

Thanks to a 23-page document leak (first reported on by The Australian), Facebook can and will let advertisers pinpoint, "moments when young people need a confidence boost." The document specifies what emotional states Facebook is interested in helping advertisers pinpoint; "stressed, "a failure", "worthless," "insecure," "defeated," "anxious," "silly," "useless," "stupid," and "overwhelmed." Other parts of the document, authored by Facebook employees Andy Sinn and David Fernandez, focused on body image and weight loss describing how image-recognition tools are used on Instagram and Facebook.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38414516)



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Date: August 18th, 2019 2:17 AM
Author: Boyish House

Today’s Teenage Girls

Amid our huge, unplanned experiment with social media, new research suggests that many American adolescents are becoming more anxious, depressed and solitary

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-burden-of-todays-teenage-girls-11565883328?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/9slcucakS0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3788129&forum_id=2#38703825)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 5:51 PM
Author: Boyish House

The accelerating flow of information makes Gen Z particularly stupid.

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4380833&forum_id=2#39108182

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Date: July 18th, 2020 8:46 AM
Author: cracking ratface mother



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