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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
State your cock size.
zombie-like dark stain
  11/15/17
this is very relevant
motley aquamarine address
  11/15/17
you're the TTT shitlawyer who went to SDU or some crap and d...
snowy market
  11/14/17
yeah
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
yeah you probably don't have any worthwhile skills so no
snowy market
  11/14/17
At least you're honest
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
Harsh truth: you don't strike me as the personality type to ...
Magenta space roommate
  11/14/17
probably true although based on ur posting ur a legit retard...
snowy market
  11/14/17
ljl
Odious Base
  11/14/17
hot take
Cream balding mexican
  11/15/17
Why
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
You seem really risk averse and in need of structure.
Magenta space roommate
  11/14/17
Cr I'm risk averse But worse than that I'm poor
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
I'm poor too
Magenta space roommate
  11/14/17
My personality is a lot different than I portray here but I ...
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
Yes
Mildly Autistic Dashing Stead Ceo
  11/14/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
yeah
narrow-minded chocolate garrison
  11/14/17
Where did u go I met with cslg we could have hung out too...
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
shit, been really busy lately. i still have both your guys e...
narrow-minded chocolate garrison
  11/14/17
he made me an incredible offer on tinychat and promised me t...
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
wtf, just do it, fatty
Odious Base
  11/14/17
do it. what's the worst case scenario? you go back to ID.
narrow-minded chocolate garrison
  11/14/17
Worst case scenario I don't have money to pay rent or to pro...
smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
surely you have enough savings to cover a few months?
narrow-minded chocolate garrison
  11/15/17
Like 2 months
smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/14/17
do it before you get stuck
vivacious orchestra pit volcanic crater
  11/15/17
start saving money now for it. do you have LS debt? how much...
Aqua swashbuckling depressive
  11/15/17
Dude, I literally offered to buy into your practice for 20k ...
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
LISTEN TO THIS MAN
Big trailer park
  11/15/17
What if I can't pay my bills man
smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
we will contribute to your gofundme
Grizzly Hilarious Generalized Bond
  11/15/17
whats your current compensation?
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
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crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
100ish with good benefits
smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
eh dont quit. thats a pretty solid compensation, and you can...
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
His job will never pay him 200K. And they work him to death ...
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
ok, he didnt disclose his hours, so new info. honest q: w...
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
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crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
I'm basing it off people I mentored, not my own success.
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
the people you mentored had 0 clients and minimal subject ma...
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
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crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
Of course he COULD, but that's a possible yet overly optomis...
passionate zippy range juggernaut
  11/15/17
All of my solo friends who have normal personalities make mo...
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
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crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
Couldn't tell you the floor. But all of my solo friends who ...
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
I'm seriously thinking about going solo by the end of the ye...
Big trailer park
  11/15/17
how much do you make at your current firm/how much do you th...
Cream balding mexican
  11/15/17
will not disclose here, but from what every idiot solo I kno...
Big trailer park
  11/15/17
You seem smart. I'll invest in you. I should do a shark tank...
Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part
  11/15/17
if only I could. I have a solo PI friend here that is ballin...
Big trailer park
  11/15/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
Do it man
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
Yeah man worked great for me
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
explain
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
Just much more chill than big law
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
practice area before and what you do as a solo: hometown ...
Kink-friendly parlor double fault
  11/15/17
good questions, doobs. Same practice area, living in my hom...
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
not doobs. how long have u been going? explain losing money?...
Kink-friendly parlor double fault
  11/15/17
I'm less than a year in so I'm not too worried about it. ba...
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
ok, this makes sense. yeah the runway on contingency fee me...
Kink-friendly parlor double fault
  11/15/17
It's hard to say. One thing I've learned is that big law giv...
Plum pisswyrm sound barrier
  11/15/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
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smoky frum telephone
  11/15/17
If you have (i) no kids and (ii) minimal student debt, you h...
twisted institution voyeur
  11/15/17
sure, but you could never go back to a legit defense side jo...
crimson appetizing plaza black woman
  11/15/17
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smoky frum telephone
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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:45 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689365)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: zombie-like dark stain

State your cock size.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694735)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: motley aquamarine address

this is very relevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694786)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:48 PM
Author: snowy market

you're the TTT shitlawyer who went to SDU or some crap and does domestic violence defense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689405)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689422)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: snowy market

yeah you probably don't have any worthwhile skills so no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689427)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:51 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

At least you're honest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689431)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:49 PM
Author: Magenta space roommate

Harsh truth: you don't strike me as the personality type to ever go solo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689416)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: snowy market

probably true although based on ur posting ur a legit retard so take w a grain of salt op

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689421)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:37 PM
Author: Odious Base

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689826)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:52 PM
Author: Cream balding mexican

hot take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694316)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

Why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689425)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:52 PM
Author: Magenta space roommate

You seem really risk averse and in need of structure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689440)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:52 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

Cr I'm risk averse

But worse than that I'm poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689443)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: Magenta space roommate

I'm poor too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689460)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 10:59 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

My personality is a lot different than I portray here but I am risk averse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689506)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689561)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:07 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Dashing Stead Ceo

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689569)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: narrow-minded chocolate garrison

yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689592)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

Where did u go

I met with cslg we could have hung out too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689602)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689672)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:22 PM
Author: narrow-minded chocolate garrison

shit, been really busy lately. i still have both your guys email addresses. we should hang out sometime.

did he convince you to go solo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689689)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

he made me an incredible offer on tinychat and promised me tons of referrals

I should do it idk it I can due to my financial situation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689700)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:37 PM
Author: Odious Base

wtf, just do it, fatty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689820)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:38 PM
Author: narrow-minded chocolate garrison

do it. what's the worst case scenario? you go back to ID.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689829)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:39 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

Worst case scenario I don't have money to pay rent or to properly litigate my cases

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689839)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: narrow-minded chocolate garrison

surely you have enough savings to cover a few months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34690113)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: smoky frum telephone

Like 2 months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34690124)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689640)



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Date: November 14th, 2017 11:37 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34689810)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: vivacious orchestra pit volcanic crater

do it before you get stuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34690109)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:16 AM
Author: Aqua swashbuckling depressive

start saving money now for it. do you have LS debt? how much will your bonus be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34690142)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 1:00 AM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

Dude, I literally offered to buy into your practice for 20k and cases. Call me this weekend and we can make a gameplay for you brother. At your rate of pay you'll never have enough money to go solo. It will be worse when you pump out some kids. Just cut the cord now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34690350)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: Big trailer park

LISTEN TO THIS MAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34692673)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

What if I can't pay my bills man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694602)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Grizzly Hilarious Generalized Bond

we will contribute to your gofundme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694804)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

whats your current compensation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34691672)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34692559)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 11:53 AM
Author: smoky frum telephone

100ish with good benefits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34692577)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

eh dont quit. thats a pretty solid compensation, and you can probably work on your skills and get yourself to 200k within 5 years. combined with the imminent real estate correction in LA, you could buy a nice 750k condo in LA proper or house in the 'burbs within 5 years with ease.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34692606)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 12:03 PM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

His job will never pay him 200K. And they work him to death for that 100K. Also, he could make 500K+ in 5 years if he goes solo and isn't autistic (which he isn't).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34692640)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

ok, he didnt disclose his hours, so new info.

honest q: why couldn't he go solo and make 1.25M+ in 3 yrs like you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34693822)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694301)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

I'm basing it off people I mentored, not my own success.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694344)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

the people you mentored had 0 clients and minimal subject matter knowledge on day 1?

how many hours do your mentees typically work per week to achieve this kind of result?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694356)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: passionate zippy range juggernaut

Of course he COULD, but that's a possible yet overly optomistic potential outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694342)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

All of my solo friends who have normal personalities make more than Chandler. Not all are balling out but the people I've mentored make several times what he does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694358)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694391)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:01 PM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

Couldn't tell you the floor. But all of my solo friends who know how to hustle make at least 200K. I definitely make more than any of my solo friends, but there are a good number at 400-500K. Also, with PI all it takes is one or two good cases every few years and your 400K per year averages out to like 700K per year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694412)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:51 PM
Author: Big trailer park

I'm seriously thinking about going solo by the end of the year. I have a few clients of my own (most months billing to them is less than my current salary), will have to get involved in court appointed stuff to start out. Plan on being poor for a long time, already warned my GF about it.

I'm also a huge pussy about this and do not look forward to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694312)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: Cream balding mexican

how much do you make at your current firm/how much do you think you'd make as a solo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694331)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Big trailer park

will not disclose here, but from what every idiot solo I know has done, will be doing better than I am now. A bunch of them openly talk about making in the $125-150k/year range, which is higher than what I make now. I also have some specialty experience that can hopefully push me higher than what those guys make.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694350)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:02 PM
Author: Slate Self-centered Station Party Of The First Part

You seem smart. I'll invest in you. I should do a shark tank type show for Shitlawyers where I invest into their firm and offer to send business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694422)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: Big trailer park

if only I could. I have a solo PI friend here that is balling out pretty well (although I think he does a wide variety of plaintiff work - also he LOVES going to trial) and in the past I would go to him for advice, but he has been MIA lately from our friends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694450)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694597)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

Do it man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694707)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

Yeah man worked great for me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694700)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694714)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

Just much more chill than big law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694738)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:44 PM
Author: Kink-friendly parlor double fault

practice area before and what you do as a solo:

hometown or elsewhere?

profit progression?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694759)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

good questions, doobs. Same practice area, living in my hometown. I'm technically "losing money" at the moment which is frankly kind of a surprise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694783)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Kink-friendly parlor double fault

not doobs. how long have u been going? explain losing money? you spending more in overhead + marketing than you are bringing in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694797)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

I'm less than a year in so I'm not too worried about it. basically my caseload ended up being much more contingency heavy than I expected – last month I billed 0.2 hours to actual paying clients. Also, fronting litigation costs is much more expensive than I had considered. Not even talking about experts, just in terms of filing fees, depositions, etc.

In big law you never really worry about that because it's just magically taken care of, client is always paying. It's very different once you switch sides

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694822)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:56 PM
Author: Kink-friendly parlor double fault

ok, this makes sense. yeah the runway on contingency fee means you have to prepare to not make anything for up to a year.

still, even assigning a conservative dollar value to your active cases, you probably have a decent pipeline of money that will start coming in from your contingency matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694847)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 4:59 PM
Author: Plum pisswyrm sound barrier

It's hard to say. One thing I've learned is that big law gives you a skewed idea of how good the average plaintiffs case is because you only get hired to defend the good cases.

But yes, one reason I'm not flipping out is the assumed value of the cases that just haven't gone to judgment yet. They can't all be $0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34694884)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 8:11 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34696334)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 10:38 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



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Date: November 15th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: twisted institution voyeur

If you have (i) no kids and (ii) minimal student debt, you have pretty much nothing to lose. Leaps like this only get harder as you age, acquire kids, etc. I'd cut my expenses to the bone and focus all of my energy on it for a year and then re-assess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34697304)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: crimson appetizing plaza black woman

sure, but you could never go back to a legit defense side job again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34697355)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 10:58 PM
Author: smoky frum telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34697392)



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Date: November 15th, 2017 11:18 PM
Author: Sick bespoke mood brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3797626&forum_id=2#34697540)