http://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-calls-china-worlds-enemy-trump-visit-beijing-its-their-world-now-704874

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gw8vn/chinas-taking-over-the-world-with-a-massive-genetic-engineering-program

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694239)

This is the most important point you made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694479)

What worries me is the system that replaces it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694720)

USA has no chance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694241)

https://cis.org/One-Five-US-Residents-Speaks-Foreign-Language-Home-Record-618-million

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694263)

i believe it. multiculturalism is a corrosive ideology.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694481)

i'm still of the opinion that we have a system of government -- federalism -- that can help us succeed, but that would require reversing course and devolving a lot of power to the state and local governments. there's probably too much power and money at stake to do that, however, though i do wonder if Trump's election and talks of California seceding might help push us in that direction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694547)

Anyway, don't the Chinese hate and mock western shitlibs? At least they have that going for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694282)

Their mean IQ is also materially higher (105 v 98) and the trend is increasingly divergent.

Pepper your angus to live in a larger version of the UK by the time you're in retirement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694265)

Who knows, though. Certainly seems believable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694587)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694488)

PPP GDP of China is already signifcantly higher than the USA. China produces 23 trillion dollars vs America's 19 trillion. And that gap is widening.

The US (and western aligned) nations derive much of it's currency strength by being the center of the financial world. When the day comes when the US cannot longer secure its interest - or the financial system is undermined when hackers regularly sabatoge our financial systems and the world moves closer to the yuan - we are fucked. America will become much, much poorer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694672)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/06/chinas-blueprint-to-crush-the-us-robotics-industry.html

http://thehill.com/opinion/technology/358802-emerging-technology-could-make-china-the-worlds-next-innovation-superpower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694318)

They deserve it and we are kike+nigger garbage country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694445)

http://www.etonline.com/news/205734_wwe_wrestler_chyna_died_from_mix_of_alcohol_and_drugs_autopsy_confirms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694510)

If the Jews had not completely destroyed the United States then we might have had a chance to compete with the chinks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694610)

they know that america is in a lot of debt and isn't that cohesive anymore and that the shock of losing a CBG would probably create a political crisis all by itself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694765)

"hey, maybe importing the entire third-world into america isn't a great ide-"

"BIGOT! STUDIES SAY THAT IMMIGRANTS HAVE LOWER CRIME AND BOOST THE ECONOMY!!!"

"those 'studies' are global capitalist propaganda, and there is no such group as 'immigrants;' you need to break that down by specific population grou-"

"FUCK YOU, BIGOT! WE PUNCH NAZIS, NOT DEBATE THEM!!!"

that's pretty much their level of "discourse" on this issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34694796)

And economically China poses no credible threat, either. Almost all the truly innovative technology in the world originates in the U.S. Companies like Tesla and Apple set up shop in the U.S. because of stable institutions, protection of property rights, and far and away the best university system in the world. There is a reason that thousands of Chinese students come to study in American universities every year (and the vast majority of them try to remain in the U.S. after graduation). We are literally stealing all of China's best and brightest and somehow they are going to destroy our economy? Lol!

China's economy at the moment consists almost entirely of making cheap knockoffs of American innovations. That was a viable strategy when China was a 3rd World shithole where factory workers were willing to work for poverty-level wages. Now China has a growing middle class that isn't willing to work for peanuts any more. Chinese manufacturing growth has already slowed dramatically. Manufacturers are looking for cheaper labor in other parts of Asia (or returning to the U.S.). The model of making cheap knockoffs won't work for much longer.

And then there are Chinese demographic problems. The one child policy has left China with very few young workers and a shit of olds. Pretty soon pensions are going to be bankrupting the country. Meanwhile the U.S.'s liberal immigration laws mean that we have a far younger population than any other industrialized nation. Yes, Social Security will be a problem in the U.S., but our pension problems will be minor compared to anywhere in the industrialized world (much less China).

People also don't seem to remember that when the Chinese become wealthy, they suddenly want to buy iPhone's and Xboxes and Chevrolet's and things like that. A huge Chinese middle class will be an enormous boon to American exporters. I welcome the rise of China. It's potentially one of the best growth opportunities for American companies in the next several decades.

So no, there is very little to fear from China. China will almost certainly surpass the U.S. in terms of GDP within the next decade or two. (They have already passed the U.S. in terms of GDP at PPP.) But that's a meaningless dick measuring contest. GDP per capita won't approach Western levels within our lifetime, and China is unlikely to seriously challenge the West in terms of hard or soft power within that time, either. And it will be a huge new market for Western exporters. The fact that your wife is batshit crazy is a cause for concern. China is not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34698528)

this is the kind of illusory boomerific thinking that has fucked us over so much. multiple things would stop us:

-the expense. we're at 100% of debt/GDP. taking on more debt for a major war is only workable if we had strong national will,

-WHICH WE DON'T. the casualties from that sort of war would be substantial and would create massive domestic discord. china would engage in 4th-generation warfare within the US to amplify these problems using various tools - industrial/power sabotage, attacks by loyalists against US-based targets like officials/soldiers and their families, attacks on the financial system itself, etc.

-the combined effects of the price to wage the war and the price inflicted by the consequences of the war would create instability serious enough to potentially pull the country apart, and certainly to oust the political leadership in DC en masse if democracy is even functioning after that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34698618)

Your references to Apple and Tesla are true, but this is probably what American businessmen said about Japan until everyone started wanting Toyotas and Sony electronics. Chinese technology is improving at a rapid pace. There are also technology considerations that have no historical precedent – like genetically engineering a smarter population and developing hyper-advanced AI and autonomous systems.

“Chinese companies are now competitive with industry leaders like Samsung and Apple. The Chinese market is hyper-competitive: small innovative startups (Oppo, OnePlus, etc.) compete with medium sized entities (e.g., Xiaomi, only recently a small startup itself) and giants like Huawei and Lenovo (Motorola).”

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/11/pocket-ai-from-beijing.html

“While China still lags the US badly in some areas, and its exported weapons have had reliability issues, signs abound that its military hardware is either catching up or becoming good enough to pose a real challenge in a potential conflict. A military modernization program pushed by Chinese president Xi Jinping is spurring things along.”

https://qz.com/975497/chinas-military-tech-is-becoming-less-of-a-joke-and-more-of-a-threat/

“Under an ambitious plan unveiled two years ago called Made in China 2025, Beijing has designs to dominate cutting-edge technologies like advanced microchips, artificial intelligence and electric cars, among many others, in a decade. And China is enlisting some of the world’s biggest technology players in its push.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/business/made-in-china-technology-trade.html

The fact that China is such a big market and they are being so strategic in trying to use every lever of power they can to dominate the world is a cause for concern. Maybe I am an idiot, but a lot of other people are seeing this too that are in a position to know. Our biggest advantages are our legal system/rule of law and ability to assimilate high-skilled workers. The best thing we could do as a country would be to actively recruit the smartest people in the world to live and work here and stop the third-world invasion that is currently happening. The influx of European scientists/engineers like Werner von Braun and John von Neuman in the post-war era was one of the best things to ever happen to us. We should be replicating that on a mass-scale because our native high-IQ population is barely reproducing while you have squat mayans pumping out 5 kids a piece.

“There is one challenge on the current scene that is substantially more difficult than those faced in the past, and that is China,” Lighthizer said. “The sheer scale of their coordinated effort to develop their economy, to subsidize, to create national champions, to force technology transfers, and to distort markets in China and throughout the world is a threat to the world trading system that is unprecedented.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-18/trump-s-top-trade-negotiator-calls-china-an-unprecedented-threat

"If I look out to 2025, and I look at the demographics and the economic situation, I think China probably poses the greatest threat to our nation by about 2025," he said. Dunford also told the committee that "China is focused on limiting our ability to project power and weakening our alliances in the Pacific."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/dunford-us-china-greatest-threat/index.html

“The One Belt, One Road initiative appears to be a combination of geopolitical, economic, and military strategy put forward by Chinese President Xi Jinping to achieve multiple Chinese aims. Xi’s speech at the Belt and Road Forum offers clear historical analogies hearken back to a time when China saw itself as the “Middle Kingdom” – literally at the center of the world.”

https://www.americansecurityproject.org/chinas-one-belt-one-road-an-ambitious-strategy-challenging-the-u-s/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34700428)

This should literally be shouted from the rooftops. We should be encouraging our best to have more children, we should be repelling third-world, low skill immigrants, and we should admit some number of the best and the brightest and should ensure that both they and their progeny assimilate deeply and quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34700484)

Thanks Ted Kennedy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34700594)

And when you have huge donors to both parties who want cheap labor plus gov't contracts, and when you have one party that gets votes at a ratio of 3-1 from third-world hordes, well...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34700597)

First, what you are proposing to do is basically already happening. Most immigration to the U.S. comes from China and India these days. And almost all of them come to study in American universities. So are are already actively recruited the best and brightest. Latin American immigration is modest these days; net migration from Mexico has actually been negative since 2008. But that's beside the point. Low-skilled Mexican workers pay into the Social Security trust fund just like Chinese scientists and engineers. If anything we should be admitting far more Latin American immigrants. We solve our demographic problems and get a bunch of cheap cooks, nannies, and fast food workers. There's really no argument against it other than racism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34703836)

ho lee fuk. did you even contemplate what you just wrote? please do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34703891)

The only people who lose when we allow more Hondurans to immigrate to the U.S. are low-skill workers who are competing with them for jobs. And even that is pretty limited since most Americans aren't willing to work for the low wages that Hondurans will accept. If every American family could hire a Honduran cook and nanny, that would greatly increase the earning power of white collar Americans (particularly women) who no longer have to worry about domestic responsibilities. And even low wage workers pay taxes and contribute to Social Security. Any reputable economist would say that open borders would be one of the best things we can do for economic growth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34703940)

I am open to some sort of low-skill shorter duration guest worker program based strictly on demand for the jobs you mentioned. With the caveat that they should come from a broader range of countries than those in Latin America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34703997)

but, you are way off. china is on the way up, america on the way down, unless papa trump can do something about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34703880)

"The Chinese word for eugenics, yousheng, is used explicitly as a positive in almost all conversations about PGD."

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/08/embryo-selection-in-china-nature.html

They are really going to overtake us quickly and build the world's largest and best scientific/technological workforce and infrastructure. And whoever possesses this workforce/infrastructure will rule the world.

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/06/everything-under-sun-and-chinas.html

"These guys are not very quantitative, so let me clarify a part of their discussion that was left rather ambiguous. It is true that demographic trends are working against China, which has a rapidly aging population. French and Schell talk about a 10-15 year window during which China has to grow rich before it grows old (a well-traveled meme). From the standpoint of geopolitics this is probably not the correct or relevant analysis. China's population is ~4x that of the US. If, say, demographic trends limit this to only an effective 3x or 3.5x advantage in working age individuals, China still only has to reach ~1/3 of US per capita income in order to have a larger overall economy. It seems unlikely that there is any hard cutoff preventing China from reaching, say, 1/2 the US per capita GDP in a few decades. (Obviously a lot of this growth is still "catch-up" growth.) At that point its economy would be the largest in the world by far, and its scientific-technological workforce and infrastructure would be far larger than that of any other country."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34701150)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34701338)

America isn't going to suddenly turn into a banana republic. So we turn into a UK that's 7x more powerful and China is 2x more powerful than us? Your kid isn't going to be starving, he's going to be living in an advanced first world country. If you really just want to be around more white people it's not like it's very hard for an American to immigrate anyway (you just won't make as much glocapbux).

America's biggest problem isn't China, or its own economic future (in the 70s people basically thought we were going down the tubes as well), it's our own fucking ego and how corrupted our values have become. Once we saw ourselves as the masters of the planet eventually everyone became obsessed perfecting their place in the American bubblesphere, because when your identity is the center of the universe you lose any other definition of what you are.

As I said, even in the ideal scenario plays out for China, we would still be the most powerful country that isn't ran by a (certainly extremely efficient) leadership cult. I think China's rise is actually America's best hope: we're really only at our best when we're either the kooky outsiders or there is a massive threat to our ideology. Even the 90s version of America, while great to live in, still had the spirit of a morally bankrupt Glocap Uber Alles state; surface-level patriotism was high just because the GlocapBuxxx were flowing. The question is if we even care enough about what used to be our reason for being and philosophy as a country for this to take hold and make people care, or has being the World POATUS since roughly the Nixon era (when the USSR really started to decline) just made us incorrigibly lazy and self-obsessed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3798324&forum_id=2#34701537)