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BIGLAWMOS: Hours check in... year is almost done, how many hours have u billed?
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:05 AM Author: anal garnet roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706529) |
Date: November 17th, 2017 12:06 AM Author: concupiscible chrome den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706535) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:07 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad 2700 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706551) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: anal garnet roast beef fuck bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706553) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad 2700.01 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706557) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: Red church building 1330 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706556) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:09 AM Author: anal garnet roast beef I hope ur kidding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706560) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: Red church building Why do you hope I'm kidding? I'm not kidding. It comes on the heels of a 1650 year (first year at firm), and an 1825 year (last year). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706567) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:12 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad You’ll be fine. Every dipshit associate is trying to make America’s next top associate. The firm ultimately doesn’t care and just needs bodies. You can float by with your stats for like 7 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706578) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Red church building I learned this pretty quick...or I didn't give a fuck. Either way I laugh when I see people billing 2200+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706650) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706653) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: Infuriating Nubile Boiling Water Center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706663) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Heady love of her life Guy who "gets it"*
(*"it" meaning "laid off") |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: anal garnet roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34847274) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:49 AM Author: Floppy Party Of The First Part that's utter bullshit. no firm is going to keep someone around who is billing those kinds of hours consistently. billing that every third year, fine, not every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706790) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:51 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad (Tyra Banks) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706801) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:07 AM Author: Claret mental disorder library shut up faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707303) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: Heady love of her life Probably covers salary+overhead, plus not like there's a ton of associates these days. He's fine for the time being. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710079) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station Probably covered salary and overhead at 600 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710100) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:52 AM Author: medicated corner newt are you an utter slacker or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706808) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: henna racy mad cow disease 0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706558) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: arousing doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710006) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: up-to-no-good abnormal striped hyena 2060 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706565) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: Hairraiser Orange Ratface Just under 1800. Also have like 50 more in pro bono. Still not sure if they actually count that shit toward anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706665) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:28 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad You should find out faggot. Don’t you want a gold star next to your name when the partners talk amongst each other?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706675) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: Hairraiser Orange Ratface They say they do. But I’ve never needed pro bono to make hours and I could see these money hungry fuckers coming up with a reason why they don’t count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706682) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:32 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad A lot of firms seek you out and give you a talk if you bill too many pb hours. It’s very bizarre, half of it is about how great it is that you’re helping people the other half is how you should do less of it. If you’re ever on a Section 1983 prisoner rights case expect to have this talk with the tight bodied “pro bono partner” once a quarter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706708) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:35 AM Author: Hairraiser Orange Ratface Lol I just got roped into a 1983 case but it’ll only be a few 2017 hours. Probably a bunch in 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706722) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: fluffy marvelous cruise ship police squad Tread carefully friend. It’s all fun and games and sucking off correctional officer dick but it can all come crashing down in an instant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706737) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:16 AM Author: Floppy Party Of The First Part why are your hours so low? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707327) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:58 AM Author: chestnut dashing psychic I blame the Jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707405) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: Appetizing Partner 180 subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709981) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710007) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: chestnut dashing psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709959) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: Seedy onyx dysfunction *nervous laugh* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709972) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:02 PM Author: Appetizing Partner banker here, counting hours sounds killself worthy.
question: when we hire a firm on our deals, it's always for a fixed dollar amount. do they still have to count hours internally? |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: Seedy onyx dysfunction Probably but they'll just make up wildly inflated numbers for fixed fee to try to hit billable for the year. Which isn't too dissimilar to billing on hourly matters now that I think about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710010) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: chestnut dashing psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710071) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces Yes, absolutely. The associates likely don't know about the arrangement. The partners will dump in a ton of hours if there's room in the budget so that they can make their own hour targets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710028) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: Seedy onyx dysfunction At my firm there are code words for this.
"Try to be efficient" means we are getting a flat fee or the client is cheap and the partner is going to write off half my hours and blame me regardless, so either way I'm going to bill aggressively.
"Let's cover every base on this one" means the client has deep pockets and we should run up the bill.
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: Appetizing Partner do you end up getting fucked at the end of the year because ur like "hey I billed 2400 hours" and the partner is like "yeah but we had to write off 1/3 of them hehe" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710144) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:18 PM Author: laughsome harsh karate not at good firms where 3rd years bill $650 an hour and clear their salary and overhead at 700 hours.
at lower amlaw 100 shops where the hourly is $300ish, realization rate is definitely part of the review and bonus discussion |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy Law firms have a system that allow you to see what your realization rate is based on how much you billed versus how much went on the actual bill versus how much the client actually paid
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Appetizing Partner surprised biglaw suicides aren't a daily thing. i guess if i had to count hours i would just work like normal and then totally make up the hours to achieve whatever number i wanted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710200) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy You can't just "work normally" and expect to keep your job. If you're not getting shit done you'll just get fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710209) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Appetizing Partner i mean in my job now i work long hours and everything, but i don't sit around saying "oh i spent 6 minutes reading that email and 45 minutes on that conference call." i'd just do my work and then at the end of the month i'd backfill to get to 237 hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710253) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:28 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy yeah, you don't have to track it that accurately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710263) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:28 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station Not all firm -in mine this information was locked up tighter than Fort Knox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710265) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces I've worked at two big firms. One was super-secretive about anything and I never heard about hours; the other was much more open about it, partners asking why you were in the bottom third of the office for a month, only had 91.6% realization, etc. Far preferred the former. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710297) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station The only plausible reason for the latter is to make the associates even more competitive with each other than they already are.
I'm pretty sure my firm kept so tightlipped because they didn't want associates knowing how much they were making off us relative to our salaries. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy lol the head of our group gave us the firm's income statement and everything. Maybe my firm is just pretty transparent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710308) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: Bronze Electric Furnace ive been at 2 firms and it's been wildly different. at first firm, there was no access. at the second i get monthly emails about it and i can actually see this information for all timekeepers who have billed to a given matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710322) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy 1750 right now. I should be pretty close to 2000 by the end of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710019) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: blue pit sneaky criminal mine ends sept 30 - 2005 hours. i don't bill for the vast majority of my travel time, though, so that should be like 2300 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710023) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy do the clients pay for it? Billing for travel time is extremely 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710037) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: blue pit sneaky criminal rainmaker i get most of my work from (like 95%) has a policy where his clients don't get charged for travel time.
so basically i eat like 300+ hours a year because we travel all the time. you figure out ways to get billable work done while traveling but it sucks ass. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: slimy zombie-like puppy yeah, that's gay as hell.
Last year I had this big project where I was on the road for basically a month. It was a billing bonanza. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station I'm pretty sure you were reading Depo transcripts on the plane. Might want to review that entry again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710052) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: blue pit sneaky criminal oh, i do miniscule amounts of work on planes and there is some serious padding that goes on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710060) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: saffron gay wizard Probably like 1000. We don't really do doc review, so it is hard to manufacture time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710025) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: laughsome harsh karate 1358 client chargeable to date. paternity leave starts any day now and my two weeks drop on my first day back from leave (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710039) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces 1,834.2 mostly on about 90 vc deals. What a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710061) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Coiffed crystalline pistol kitty cat you did 90 VC deals from your garage office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710105) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710111) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: Coiffed crystalline pistol kitty cat 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710117) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:15 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces Working for someone who's cool with WFH is great. Also miss all of the office negativity and don't have to go to firm events. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710136) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station You get paid hourly right? Did your pay rate depend on what theyre billing you at on the certain project or is it the same no matter what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710143) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces Yeah. Same no matter what. Most clients have the same rate. Some are lower for historical reasons. I get a small % of the work I bring in, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710162) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station Do they gyp you by writing down your hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710175) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces No, I get paid for what's on my time entries. I tend to be fairly conservative with billing, though. If they were consistently eating time I'm sure I'd hear it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710198) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: saffron gay wizard I think SV garage startups prefer this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710119) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces We have an office I just don't go to it. Most clients don't know that I'm not in khakis in an office. The clients who do know seem to think it's cool, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710141) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: Coiffed crystalline pistol kitty cat do they know you tuck your tshirt into your jeans and eat tofu "pork" buns in a garage all day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710149) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces Jeans are weekend-only and I'm UNTUCKED unless the shirt is super long and I haven't had the hem raised or I'm wearing a sportcoat.
Usually basketball shorts and an old t-shirt. I have a dress shirt on a hanger that I wear (usually) if I have a video call.
They do not know about the "pork" buns or "beef" noodle soup. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: lilac wagecucks the dress shirt on the hanger is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34711005) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:14 PM Author: soul-stirring translucent cuckoldry mood do you keep an emergency romper, felt hat, brunch bags and a blonde wig for your wife in case clients stop by unexpectedly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713471) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: amethyst marketing idea gaming laptop 2200. Fiscal year ends Nov 31. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710206) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:24 PM Author: Pink arrogant old irish cottage feces Is that what's expected or are you just busy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710215) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: amethyst marketing idea gaming laptop I'm busy but I also like to work a lot since it results in me making more money. most partners do not bill anywhere near 2000 and most associates bill around 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710287) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:35 PM Author: alcoholic trust fund kitchen You’ve been a bill pig for 10 years and you don’t know November has 30 days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713563) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:53 AM Author: Drab death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34730788) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: beady-eyed salmon dilemma 30 days hath September April June and November All the rest have 31 Save February. Calendars are fun! |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Galvanic double fault site 2,000. Will be at 2300 by year end. Took a month off between vacation and paternity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710250) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: Bronze Electric Furnace ended oct. 31. 2,008 hours with over 300 the last month to get there lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710343) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 5:13 PM Author: provocative fiercely-loyal pervert gas station (me in 2016). Literally billed an extra hour late at night so my time sheet wouldn't read 2000.4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34712155) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: Drab death wish idk like 1950? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710871) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:14 PM Author: green mischievous mother heaven What do you think one of us is Ina better position to answer this question for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713476) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:49 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Garrison Ended 10/31. Approx 2400. Lol at the slackers itt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710932) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: Drab death wish aren't you like a 12th year associate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710942) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:11 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Garrison Nah... not yet at least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713458) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: chestnut dashing psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34717030) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: beady-eyed salmon dilemma Let's just say I hit the bonus tier I want a while ago and have very little marginal incentive to bill any more time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34717081) |
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