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Fun Legal Hypo (4 Jews Chase After $20 Bill) - from Talmud Law Class

moishe, shlomo, dudi and yehuda *were* friends. as the we...
Erotic Big Tattoo
  11/17/17
RULING: moishe wins. the rule is that property is acquired b...
Erotic Big Tattoo
  01/05/18
moishe because he ended up with it. this hypo reminds me a ...
Mint library gaping
  11/17/17
180 for thinking of that. they split the baby in the end? so...
Erotic Big Tattoo
  11/17/17
yeah they split the baby.
Mint library gaping
  11/17/17
yep, they split the baby
tantric passionate indian lodge party of the first part
  01/05/18
Lol at Jews practicing the Rule of Capture with currency.
infuriating philosopher-king
  11/17/17
...
Erotic Big Tattoo
  11/19/17
like capturing land, foot on the note is stake in ground.
Costumed den
  11/19/17
They are to split it evenly and donate to charity
Charismatic Naked Institution Telephone
  11/19/17
lol
Costumed den
  12/03/17
AIPAC
insanely creepy khaki brethren
  12/03/17
This actually happened that there’s a rule for this? I’m vot...
aromatic garnet point persian
  12/03/17
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Costumed den
  12/03/17
yes this was an actual case.
Erotic Big Tattoo
  01/05/18
Yehuda got screwed here, IMO. I'd give it to him.
magenta soul-stirring box office
  01/05/18
he got screwed bc he put his foot on it? it's like the baseb...
Erotic Big Tattoo
  01/05/18
These “legal” hypos bring significant enlightenment as to wh...
aromatic garnet point persian
  01/05/18
...
Diverse fluffy university place of business
  01/05/18
call me a dumb goy, but to me it's enough
magenta soul-stirring box office
  01/05/18
Because we had a concept of livery of seisin while the Jews ...
aromatic garnet point persian
  01/05/18
Traditionally, a thief must not only gain dominion over the ...
Diverse fluffy university place of business
  01/05/18
Larceny has a mens rea of intent to deprive. Slightly differ...
aromatic garnet point persian
  01/05/18
IMO, ownership contains the right to do nothing with your pr...
magenta soul-stirring box office
  01/05/18
...
Narrow-minded site alpha
  01/05/18
the guy who took it out of moshe's pocket when moshe was for...
curious azn
  01/05/18
hmm, I think either shlomo and moishe should share it. obvio...
Bearded ladyboy
  01/05/18


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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:00 PM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo

moishe, shlomo, dudi and yehuda *were* friends.

as the were walking home from the yeshiva, moishe commented that he thought he saw money on the other side of a busy street.

shlomo said that he definitely could see it, and it was a 100 shekel note [~$20] and it belonged to him because he saw it first.

dudi ran across the street and was the first person to get within a 6-ft. range of the note, however yehuda was able to put his foot on the note.

moishe quickly snatched the money from under yehuda's foot and put it in his pocket.

who is entitled to the 100 shekels?

NOTE: this actually happened. this isn't a hypo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710549)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo

RULING: moishe wins. the rule is that property is acquired by moving it in some direction as a symbolic act of the transaction -- up down left right etc. e.g., if someone gives you the keys to a house in a real estate deal, the transaction is finalized when you move the key. one cant acquire property by falling on it. you actually have to move it. yehuda putting his foot on the note didnt acquire it. moishe picking it up is what acquired it. seeing the note is totally irrelevant here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089020)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:01 PM
Author: Mint library gaping

moishe because he ended up with it. this hypo reminds me a whole lot of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popov_v._Hayashi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710557)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo

180 for thinking of that. they split the baby in the end? so it was just a ttt CA superior court decision? would have been cool if the CA SCOTUS ruled on this and we had some real scholarship.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710616)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:07 PM
Author: Mint library gaping

yeah they split the baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710624)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:26 PM
Author: tantric passionate indian lodge party of the first part

yep, they split the baby

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089991)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: infuriating philosopher-king

Lol at Jews practicing the Rule of Capture with currency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710609)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721345)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: Costumed den

like capturing land, foot on the note is stake in ground.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721371)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 1:10 AM
Author: Charismatic Naked Institution Telephone

They are to split it evenly and donate to charity



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721568)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 5:39 AM
Author: Costumed den

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826794)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 5:54 AM
Author: insanely creepy khaki brethren

AIPAC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826806)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 7:00 AM
Author: aromatic garnet point persian

This actually happened that there’s a rule for this? I’m voting for possession by foot with a 10% finders fee to the guy who alerted them all to the presence of the note.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826846)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 7:02 AM
Author: Costumed den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826848)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo

yes this was an actual case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089056)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: magenta soul-stirring box office

Yehuda got screwed here, IMO. I'd give it to him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089046)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Erotic Big Tattoo

he got screwed bc he put his foot on it? it's like the baseball analogy. if someone puts their foot on a baseball, is that enough? i can see how it's not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089055)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: aromatic garnet point persian

These “legal” hypos bring significant enlightenment as to why Jews have been persecuted and why our profession is a shit profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089611)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Diverse fluffy university place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089635)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:36 PM
Author: magenta soul-stirring box office

call me a dumb goy, but to me it's enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089627)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: aromatic garnet point persian

Because we had a concept of livery of seisin while the Jews apparently require you to manipulate the property somehow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089734)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Diverse fluffy university place of business

Traditionally, a thief must not only gain dominion over the property, but also must move it from its original position. The slightest movement, a hair's breadth, is sufficient.[23] However, the entirety of the property must be moved. As LaFave noted critically this requirement is the difference between rotating a doughnut (larceny) and rotating a pie (not larceny),[24] as all of the doughnut is moved through rotation while the pie's exact center remains in the same place when rotated. The movement must also be an actual asportation, rather than movement in preparation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089800)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: aromatic garnet point persian

Larceny has a mens rea of intent to deprive. Slightly different context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089840)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: magenta soul-stirring box office

IMO, ownership contains the right to do nothing with your property. requiring property to be used is counter to the very idea of property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089832)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Narrow-minded site alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089643)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: curious azn

the guy who took it out of moshe's pocket when moshe was forced to strip down and head to the shower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089761)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Bearded ladyboy

hmm, I think either shlomo and moishe should share it. obviously moishe has it and he needs to get it. but shlomo got nothing for spotting the $$$ and not giving anything to schlomo discourages future people from spotting money, which is socially desirable.

remember that this might have never even happened if schlomo didn't see the $$$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089871)