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Fun Legal Hypo (4 Jews Chase After $20 Bill) - from Talmud Law Class

moishe, shlomo, dudi and yehuda *were* friends. as the we...
hyperactive telephone
  11/17/17
RULING: moishe wins. the rule is that property is acquired b...
hyperactive telephone
  01/05/18
moishe because he ended up with it. this hypo reminds me a ...
Sooty nighttime fortuitous meteor
  11/17/17
180 for thinking of that. they split the baby in the end? so...
hyperactive telephone
  11/17/17
yeah they split the baby.
Sooty nighttime fortuitous meteor
  11/17/17
yep, they split the baby
idiotic school cafeteria
  01/05/18
Lol at Jews practicing the Rule of Capture with currency.
low-t library haunted graveyard
  11/17/17
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hyperactive telephone
  11/19/17
like capturing land, foot on the note is stake in ground.
impertinent clear range
  11/19/17
They are to split it evenly and donate to charity
Green genital piercing forum
  11/19/17
lol
impertinent clear range
  12/03/17
AIPAC
exciting vengeful black woman
  12/03/17
This actually happened that there’s a rule for this? I’m vot...
Adventurous University Volcanic Crater
  12/03/17
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impertinent clear range
  12/03/17
yes this was an actual case.
hyperactive telephone
  01/05/18
Yehuda got screwed here, IMO. I'd give it to him.
high-end cocky stage filthpig
  01/05/18
he got screwed bc he put his foot on it? it's like the baseb...
hyperactive telephone
  01/05/18
These “legal” hypos bring significant enlightenment as to wh...
Adventurous University Volcanic Crater
  01/05/18
...
Slap-happy excitant shitlib stage
  01/05/18
call me a dumb goy, but to me it's enough
high-end cocky stage filthpig
  01/05/18
Because we had a concept of livery of seisin while the Jews ...
Adventurous University Volcanic Crater
  01/05/18
Traditionally, a thief must not only gain dominion over the ...
Slap-happy excitant shitlib stage
  01/05/18
Larceny has a mens rea of intent to deprive. Slightly differ...
Adventurous University Volcanic Crater
  01/05/18
IMO, ownership contains the right to do nothing with your pr...
high-end cocky stage filthpig
  01/05/18
...
odious indian lodge
  01/05/18
the guy who took it out of moshe's pocket when moshe was for...
wonderful underhanded spot philosopher-king
  01/05/18
hmm, I think either shlomo and moishe should share it. obvio...
180 sex offender
  01/05/18


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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:00 PM
Author: hyperactive telephone

moishe, shlomo, dudi and yehuda *were* friends.

as the were walking home from the yeshiva, moishe commented that he thought he saw money on the other side of a busy street.

shlomo said that he definitely could see it, and it was a 100 shekel note [~$20] and it belonged to him because he saw it first.

dudi ran across the street and was the first person to get within a 6-ft. range of the note, however yehuda was able to put his foot on the note.

moishe quickly snatched the money from under yehuda's foot and put it in his pocket.

who is entitled to the 100 shekels?

NOTE: this actually happened. this isn't a hypo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710549)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: hyperactive telephone

RULING: moishe wins. the rule is that property is acquired by moving it in some direction as a symbolic act of the transaction -- up down left right etc. e.g., if someone gives you the keys to a house in a real estate deal, the transaction is finalized when you move the key. one cant acquire property by falling on it. you actually have to move it. yehuda putting his foot on the note didnt acquire it. moishe picking it up is what acquired it. seeing the note is totally irrelevant here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089020)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:01 PM
Author: Sooty nighttime fortuitous meteor

moishe because he ended up with it. this hypo reminds me a whole lot of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popov_v._Hayashi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710557)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: hyperactive telephone

180 for thinking of that. they split the baby in the end? so it was just a ttt CA superior court decision? would have been cool if the CA SCOTUS ruled on this and we had some real scholarship.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710616)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:07 PM
Author: Sooty nighttime fortuitous meteor

yeah they split the baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710624)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:26 PM
Author: idiotic school cafeteria

yep, they split the baby

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089991)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: low-t library haunted graveyard

Lol at Jews practicing the Rule of Capture with currency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34710609)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: hyperactive telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721345)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: impertinent clear range

like capturing land, foot on the note is stake in ground.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721371)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 1:10 AM
Author: Green genital piercing forum

They are to split it evenly and donate to charity



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34721568)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 5:39 AM
Author: impertinent clear range

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826794)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 5:54 AM
Author: exciting vengeful black woman

AIPAC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826806)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 7:00 AM
Author: Adventurous University Volcanic Crater

This actually happened that there’s a rule for this? I’m voting for possession by foot with a 10% finders fee to the guy who alerted them all to the presence of the note.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826846)



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Date: December 3rd, 2017 7:02 AM
Author: impertinent clear range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#34826848)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: hyperactive telephone

yes this was an actual case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089056)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: high-end cocky stage filthpig

Yehuda got screwed here, IMO. I'd give it to him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089046)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: hyperactive telephone

he got screwed bc he put his foot on it? it's like the baseball analogy. if someone puts their foot on a baseball, is that enough? i can see how it's not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089055)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Adventurous University Volcanic Crater

These “legal” hypos bring significant enlightenment as to why Jews have been persecuted and why our profession is a shit profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089611)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Slap-happy excitant shitlib stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089635)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:36 PM
Author: high-end cocky stage filthpig

call me a dumb goy, but to me it's enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089627)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Adventurous University Volcanic Crater

Because we had a concept of livery of seisin while the Jews apparently require you to manipulate the property somehow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089734)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Slap-happy excitant shitlib stage

Traditionally, a thief must not only gain dominion over the property, but also must move it from its original position. The slightest movement, a hair's breadth, is sufficient.[23] However, the entirety of the property must be moved. As LaFave noted critically this requirement is the difference between rotating a doughnut (larceny) and rotating a pie (not larceny),[24] as all of the doughnut is moved through rotation while the pie's exact center remains in the same place when rotated. The movement must also be an actual asportation, rather than movement in preparation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089800)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Adventurous University Volcanic Crater

Larceny has a mens rea of intent to deprive. Slightly different context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089840)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: high-end cocky stage filthpig

IMO, ownership contains the right to do nothing with your property. requiring property to be used is counter to the very idea of property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089832)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: odious indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089643)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: wonderful underhanded spot philosopher-king

the guy who took it out of moshe's pocket when moshe was forced to strip down and head to the shower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089761)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: 180 sex offender

hmm, I think either shlomo and moishe should share it. obviously moishe has it and he needs to get it. but shlomo got nothing for spotting the $$$ and not giving anything to schlomo discourages future people from spotting money, which is socially desirable.

remember that this might have never even happened if schlomo didn't see the $$$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800740&forum_id=2#35089871)