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Just had phone interview with a gaming company in LA

for senior finance role. base salary is in the "range o...
khaki kitchen
  11/17/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&foru...
Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon
  12/05/17
was "HR" a bubbly 24 y/o blonde from USC
Overrated Orchestra Pit
  11/17/17
No idea what she looks like. She sounded older.
khaki kitchen
  11/17/17
hows riot bro
Hairraiser Pistol Mother
  11/17/17
...
Self-absorbed Indian Lodge
  11/17/17
That’s a legit role to be a CFO you actually have to know fi...
olive pungent public bath
  11/17/17
The group is all ex-bankers, which surprised me.
khaki kitchen
  11/17/17
Irvine isn't LA bro
territorial school quadroon
  11/17/17
Blizzard?
Puce people who are hurt mood
  11/17/17
No comment
khaki kitchen
  11/17/17
Can you post the pic of you at blizzard headquarters
territorial school quadroon
  11/17/17
that's OC, Irvine
Talented Bull Headed Locus
  11/17/17
Ragnus knows he interviewed there before
territorial school quadroon
  11/17/17
...
khaki kitchen
  11/17/17
I drove by blizzard headquarters recently They have full on...
territorial school quadroon
  11/17/17
That’s to keep out orcs
Slippery concupiscible degenerate
  11/22/17
...
dashing rough-skinned liquid oxygen gunner
  11/22/17
...
Translucent useless new version hunting ground
  11/29/17
Bro, I have been stalked in my office after we made a change...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Game of war? How come they stopped buying gazillion ads?
Puce people who are hurt mood
  11/22/17
This was years ago. My understanding is that they switch...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Ohh that’s machine zone too... I guess Mariah Carey worked o...
Puce people who are hurt mood
  11/22/17
I mean, they have a model and they're sticking to it. I wond...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Thoughts on Lineage 2’s marketing strategy?
Puce people who are hurt mood
  11/22/17
It was interesting to see a company go all in on pre-reg lik...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
a friend of mine used to work for them and said relations wi...
beady-eyed startled state
  12/05/17
If it's Scopely stay away...
Copper police squad trust fund
  11/18/17
not scopely
khaki kitchen
  11/20/17
2nd round phone next week
khaki kitchen
  11/21/17
good luck ib bro? this sounds like an awesome role
brilliant fiercely-loyal alpha chapel
  11/21/17
good luck. FP&A? what's your previous experience
bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy
  11/22/17
No, it's not FP&A. I'm doing finance at a FAANG tech fir...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
why are you leaving? was asking because work bro is inter...
bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy
  11/22/17
I'm not aggressively looking but open to opportunities. ...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
yeah finance in my experience needs to know the entire busin...
bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy
  11/22/17
Correct. I'm in like every meeting with product, content, ma...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Hie thee to operations if this bothers you. Finance in compa...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
yeah, I should've done investment banking, where finance cal...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
You can make the transition, but it'll probably take a bit o...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
to IB? how the fuck?
bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy
  11/22/17
No, to operations from a finance role in a company.
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Pay and working conditions will depend massively on which co...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Doesn't Activision own Blizzard? Yeah, this role doesn't ...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Yeah, but Bobby is relatively hands off so long as they hit ...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Thanks. This is super helpful. Does one have to be a har...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Not required but it really helps at Blizz. Required at Ri...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Wow. This is really good to know. Yeah, that's my biggest co...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
spin, ratfucks
tripping blathering parlor
  11/22/17
You probably won't be stuck, but you also probably won't hav...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Definitely don’t be an aspie gamer freak..
Puce people who are hurt mood
  11/22/17
;)
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
...
aromatic temple messiness
  11/22/17
I'd have to know the title, the company and the year he join...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
...
aromatic temple messiness
  11/22/17
Director? I mean, impossible to tell without more info. ...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
...
aromatic temple messiness
  11/22/17
Eh...that seems like it'd be on the high end unless stock ha...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
HR told me during our call that this position will have a ba...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
You suck at negotiating
Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew
  11/22/17
I think you pick a number you think you are worth and stick ...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
curious to know your strategy and whether it has worked. i ...
aromatic temple messiness
  11/22/17
I tell them to make an offer that properly values what they ...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
are you pretty sought after? what kind of benefits do you c...
aromatic temple messiness
  11/22/17
When I interview, it's generally for C-suite for startups an...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
What's like the highest comp package you've been offered? Lo...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
how does riot do comp since they are owned by tencent and he...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Yeah, they've been implementing new plans around this recent...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Safe to say that working for one of these companies carries ...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
LOL
Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew
  11/22/17
Riot is reasonably sexy in LA, but nothing like working in t...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
Do you have a throwaway e-mail account where I can reach out...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
knavexoxohth@gmail.com I don't check it much though. Thi...
frozen chestnut selfie rigpig
  11/22/17
I e-mailed you.
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Sent you a response late last night
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Those companies (FB, GOOG) really aren't prestigious around ...
Copper police squad trust fund
  11/22/17
Dropbox is still prestigious as fuck and pay better than eve...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Everyone knows Dropbox is a down round destination, perks al...
Copper police squad trust fund
  11/22/17
BULLSHIT. Dropbox is gonna go public in 2018, and their acro...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
Will never have an IPO at a valuation higher than their last...
Copper police squad trust fund
  11/22/17
...
Elite Ivory Theater
  11/29/17
JUST INTERVIEWED AT A GAMING COMPANYYY!!!! ... for a non-tec...
Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew
  11/22/17
(Grandma’s boy troll)
Self-absorbed Indian Lodge
  11/22/17
not a lawyer
khaki kitchen
  11/30/17
...
khaki kitchen
  11/22/17
ITT: Disillusioned JJC in Seattle is moving jobs again, xoxo...
Deranged Violent Sneaky Criminal
  11/22/17
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khaki kitchen
  11/24/17
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khaki kitchen
  11/28/17
i have a cousin (by marriage, don't know him very well) who ...
Titillating rambunctious gaming laptop
  11/29/17
no wonder bethesda games are dogshit they're hiring lawyers ...
Big weed whacker
  12/05/17
...
khaki kitchen
  12/05/17
i heard working at activision sucks
citrine church roast beef
  11/29/17
not activision
khaki kitchen
  12/05/17


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Date: November 17th, 2017 6:17 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

for senior finance role. base salary is in the "range of $130-$200K" according to HR. huge range. the job doesn't sound too interesting though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34712668)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845176)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845177)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845178)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845179)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845180)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Apoplectic Dragon

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3758205&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845182)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 6:38 PM
Author: Overrated Orchestra Pit

was "HR" a bubbly 24 y/o blonde from USC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34712807)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 7:40 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

No idea what she looks like. She sounded older.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34713242)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 6:38 PM
Author: Hairraiser Pistol Mother

hows riot bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34712816)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 6:48 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Indian Lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34712893)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 6:47 PM
Author: olive pungent public bath

That’s a legit role to be a CFO you actually have to know finance and accounting

Not like working in a back office compliance role at a hedge fund

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34712890)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 7:40 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

The group is all ex-bankers, which surprised me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34713247)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 7:41 PM
Author: territorial school quadroon

Irvine isn't LA bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34713250)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 7:41 PM
Author: Puce people who are hurt mood

Blizzard?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34713251)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

No comment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34714507)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:52 PM
Author: territorial school quadroon

Can you post the pic of you at blizzard headquarters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34714516)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:53 PM
Author: Talented Bull Headed Locus

that's OC, Irvine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34714519)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: territorial school quadroon

Ragnus knows he interviewed there before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34714524)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:05 PM
Author: khaki kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34713765)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: territorial school quadroon

I drove by blizzard headquarters recently

They have full on gates and guards for the parking lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34714525)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:10 AM
Author: Slippery concupiscible degenerate

That’s to keep out orcs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745715)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:13 AM
Author: dashing rough-skinned liquid oxygen gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745734)



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Date: November 29th, 2017 4:43 PM
Author: Translucent useless new version hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34800064)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Bro, I have been stalked in my office after we made a change to one of our games. I can only imagine how many insane fans blizz gets from WoW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745744)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: Puce people who are hurt mood

Game of war?

How come they stopped buying gazillion ads?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745793)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

This was years ago.

My understanding is that they switched to marketing that new Final Fantasy game. I imagine the roi on spend was higher if click throughs with the brand were better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745811)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:18 AM
Author: Puce people who are hurt mood

Ohh that’s machine zone too... I guess Mariah Carey worked out well now they getting Alexis Ren.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746069)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:21 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

I mean, they have a model and they're sticking to it. I wonder how well this game will do. There's a lot of weird stuff happening in mobile right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746080)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:24 AM
Author: Puce people who are hurt mood

Thoughts on Lineage 2’s marketing strategy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746090)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:26 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

It was interesting to see a company go all in on pre-reg like that. Very unusual.

In general, I'm very skeptical about paying influencers to talk about your game. It essentially operates as an admission to the marketplace that your game doesn't have content that is independently worth talking about.

That said, I've started playing it a bit and it isn't half bad compared to other claimants to the MMORPG throne.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746104)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: beady-eyed startled state

a friend of mine used to work for them and said relations with fans were remarkably chill compared to the RPG publisher he worked for before that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845172)



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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:04 PM
Author: Copper police squad trust fund

If it's Scopely stay away...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34717008)



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Date: November 20th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

not scopely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34733102)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:28 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

2nd round phone next week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745463)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:55 PM
Author: brilliant fiercely-loyal alpha chapel

good luck

ib bro? this sounds like an awesome role

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745620)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:03 AM
Author: bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy

good luck. FP&A? what's your previous experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745676)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:09 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

No, it's not FP&A. I'm doing finance at a FAANG tech firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745714)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy

why are you leaving?

was asking because work bro is interviewing for fp&a director role at activision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745741)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:19 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

I'm not aggressively looking but open to opportunities.

Several reasons:

1. I don't find the work that interesting. Finance at a FAANG is basically second-class citizens, since it's the engineers and product managers who are driving the actual strategy. I'm a hardcore finance geek who loves modeling, valuation, and research, and the job is more "controllership" and holding the hands of various business groups.

2. I really hate the city I currently live in.

3. My comp is OK, but it could be better, and I'm not satisfied.

What's your friend's background like?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745763)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:25 AM
Author: bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy

yeah finance in my experience needs to know the entire business but decisions rarely originate from there.

can't say because doobs but we're at one of the only employers worth their salt in LA. he's a finance manager.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745797)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:28 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Correct. I'm in like every meeting with product, content, marketing, accounting, and have to deal with their shit but have little power over actual strategy and direction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745817)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:31 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Hie thee to operations if this bothers you. Finance in companies is often just viewed as a cost savings unit similar to lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745838)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:32 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

yeah, I should've done investment banking, where finance calls the shots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745846)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:35 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

You can make the transition, but it'll probably take a bit of doing at the right firm. I'd look for a post-A startup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745865)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:39 AM
Author: bistre bat-shit-crazy death wish ladyboy

to IB? how the fuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745884)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:40 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

No, to operations from a finance role in a company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745893)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Pay and working conditions will depend massively on which company and which role.

Blizz is a mess right now on the finance side. Been cleaning it up for some time.

Riot in major transition, but still a good place to work if you want to join the cult.

Activision is a ruthless heart of darkness but the best run company (from a business perspective) in games by far. Bobby is probably one of the best deal makers alive.

But yeah, none of this is going to be super interesting unless they have you in strategic modeling on the game side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745704)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:09 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Doesn't Activision own Blizzard?

Yeah, this role doesn't seem interesting. HR said it's product finance, which to me is total BS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745712)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Yeah, but Bobby is relatively hands off so long as they hit numbers. Frank and Mike have run the shop for forever and the culture reflects their sensibilities rather than ATVI's. Completely different companies -- ATVI is like a rehash of Proctor and Gamble but for games (pure brand management) whereas Blizz is a true developer.

I'd want to know way more about the role before I make any decisions. In general, you want to be as close to game operations as humanly possible if you want upside in a game company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745719)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Thanks. This is super helpful.

Does one have to be a hardcore gamer to enjoy working at these firms? I'm not a gamer, so worried about being surrounded by aspie gaming freaks.

Also, what are exit opps like?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745755)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Not required but it really helps at Blizz.

Required at Riot. They check pretty much everyone's LoL account before they make a hire. If you don't play they view it as a pretty strong sign you aren't a culture fit. Even for roles like finance (though obviously less so than things directly touching a game).

ATVI doesn't give a fuck -- Bobby doesn't play games and doesn't really enjoy them. ATVI is staffed out with a bunch of hardcore brand operators from P&G.

In general, the people at the tops of these companies are reasonably well adjusted humans that are really fucking smart. I know most of them to some extent and I like interacting with them. The hyper aspieness is more common at the middle and bottom portions of the company and they generally stick to themselves.

Exit ops are worse than other businesses of equivalent size. Games are insular, though they're becoming significantly less so. I'd generally not suggest going into games unless you have some underlying desire to be in them. You learn a bunch of hyper idiosyncratic stuff that just doesn't travel super well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745781)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Wow. This is really good to know. Yeah, that's my biggest concern with working at a gaming firm; it's super niche, and I imagine the type of finance I would do is not something that's easily transferable. My concern, despite the fact that I love LA, is that I will be "stuck" in gaming, which is not a spot I want to be in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745789)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:26 AM
Author: tripping blathering parlor

spin, ratfucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745801)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:29 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

You probably won't be stuck, but you also probably won't have invested the years very well unless this position is materially better than anything you can get elsewhere.

So, if this would bump you up two titles and no one else is offering the same, then go for it. Otherwise, I'd just take some extra caution.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745828)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: Puce people who are hurt mood

Definitely don’t be an aspie gamer freak..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745783)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745786)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: aromatic temple messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745785)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:25 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

I'd have to know the title, the company and the year he joined to give a decent estimate.

For example, the last two years have been a great time to be at EA with the stock lurching forward. Base comp is lower but the stock makes up for it.

Comp at riot is decent but the gravy train has largely left the station after Tencent completed the acquisition.

ATVI is known to underpay. Kotick runs a very tight ship.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745799)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:29 AM
Author: aromatic temple messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745831)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:32 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Director? I mean, impossible to tell without more info.

I can make up a big number so you feel terrible about yourself though. :D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745848)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:35 AM
Author: aromatic temple messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745864)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:36 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Eh...that seems like it'd be on the high end unless stock has been going gangbusters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745872)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:32 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

HR told me during our call that this position will have a base between $100 and $200K. I was like, "uh that's a pretty big range," and she said that it will depend on the person. I told her straight up that a minimum base for me is $130K but that I'm more comfortable in the $140-$150K range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745842)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:33 AM
Author: Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew

You suck at negotiating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745852)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:34 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

I think you pick a number you think you are worth and stick by it until proven otherwise. I also don't get deep into salary until they're offering me a job -- generally have a lot more leverage then.

It's hard for me to comment on salary negotiations since I use a super unorthodox strategy on this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745859)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:36 AM
Author: aromatic temple messiness

curious to know your strategy and whether it has worked. i always cave then they ask what i make, how much i expect, current comp plan, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745869)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:37 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

I tell them to make an offer that properly values what they expect me to do with the company.

Then, regardless of whatever the first offer is, I say: "Not close."

EDIT: When asked why, I say they either don't expect me to do much, or they hope I'll do what they want me to do but don't want to value it correctly. Either way, they'll have to do better.

EDIT2: I have also countered with:

"More."

"Of what?"

"Everything."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745878)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: aromatic temple messiness

are you pretty sought after? what kind of benefits do you currently have now that you got through this kind of negotiation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745912)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:52 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

When I interview, it's generally for C-suite for startups and VP/SVP for public companies. I've been using this as my approach since I was director level.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745960)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

What's like the highest comp package you've been offered? Looking for numbers, not the actual company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746004)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:08 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746033)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:41 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

how does riot do comp since they are owned by tencent and hence no stock awards?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745900)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Yeah, they've been implementing new plans around this recently. I haven't gotten a clear answer on it -- I think it might be a profit sharing pool but I really don't know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745909)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Safe to say that working for one of these companies carries no social prestige or status in LA? Nothing like working at Google/FB in silicon valley or an elite finance firm in NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745917)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:44 AM
Author: Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745921)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:48 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

Riot is reasonably sexy in LA, but nothing like working in the entertainment industry.

When I left movies for games when I was down in LA people looked at me like I was fucking insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745936)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

Do you have a throwaway e-mail account where I can reach out? No big deal if you're not comfortable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746001)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:10 AM
Author: frozen chestnut selfie rigpig

knavexoxohth@gmail.com

I don't check it much though. This is my first time back on xo in about a month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746036)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:44 AM
Author: khaki kitchen

I e-mailed you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746162)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

Sent you a response late last night

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749043)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM
Author: Copper police squad trust fund

Those companies (FB, GOOG) really aren't prestigious around here anymore. IMO, most of the next tier of companies that had potential to become prestigious have generally flamed out (Dropbox is LOL and Uber is toxic to have on your resume). Looking back, the smart move was to go to slightly more under the radar companies that became unicorns, it's how I'm getting my $$$.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749627)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:46 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

Dropbox is still prestigious as fuck and pay better than even Google and FB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749657)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: Copper police squad trust fund

Everyone knows Dropbox is a down round destination, perks already cut, early employees and a lot of talent already vested out and gone, and not much equity pool to get new talent in except for people who are desperate. They missed their window, if you live in SV you know this as fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749702)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:52 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

BULLSHIT. Dropbox is gonna go public in 2018, and their across the board comp is amongst the highest out there. What's your information source? I have several friends who work there, both in tech and business strategy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749735)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:57 PM
Author: Copper police squad trust fund

Will never have an IPO at a valuation higher than their last funding round, and anyone who thinks otherwise can just look at Box's market cap (competitor w/ better enterprise product). IT at my last two companies killed Dropbox either in favor of using Google Drive w/in GSuite or switching to Box.

https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/09/can-unicorn-dropbox-avoid-a-down-round-ipo/

Perks being cut:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-cutting-at-dropbox-and-silicon-valley-startups-2016-5

I'm not going to Google all this shit for you dude. It's well known, DropBox missed their window. The people who made out on it are early employees who sold their shares to later investors.

Slack, Atlassian and Okta, in descending order, are far more desirable than Dropbox.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749779)



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Date: November 29th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: Elite Ivory Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34800037)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:31 AM
Author: Vigorous blue school cafeteria jew

JUST INTERVIEWED AT A GAMING COMPANYYY!!!! ... for a non-tech job

Dude gaming is the worse place to be in tech. Maybe it’s worth it if you LOVE GAMING, but as a lawyer obviously you’ll be far from any game engineering. You can probably land something more legit in SV

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34745837)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:16 AM
Author: Self-absorbed Indian Lodge

(Grandma’s boy troll)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34746059)



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Date: November 30th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

not a lawyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34808566)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:22 PM
Author: khaki kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34748870)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: Deranged Violent Sneaky Criminal

ITT: Disillusioned JJC in Seattle is moving jobs again, xoxo poasters oblivious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34749490)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: khaki kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34763568)



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Date: November 28th, 2017 8:03 PM
Author: khaki kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34793287)



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Date: November 29th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: Titillating rambunctious gaming laptop

i have a cousin (by marriage, don't know him very well) who works for Bethesda and has been on the design teams for some really big games, like the Fallout series. I think he had a hand in coming up with the concept. There are some others he designed but I can't remember what.

he went to some ttt law school in CA but opted to go into this field.

i really wonder what he makes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34800051)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:55 PM
Author: Big weed whacker

no wonder bethesda games are dogshit they're hiring lawyers to code

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845183)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 3:03 PM
Author: khaki kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845731)



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Date: November 29th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: citrine church roast beef

i heard working at activision sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34800061)



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Date: December 5th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: khaki kitchen

not activision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3801023&forum_id=2#34845148)