STEM Grad Students Will Just Get Paid More If This Tax Bill Passes, Right?
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Date: November 29th, 2017 6:56 PM Author: arrogant forum
"I know you feel “trump needs a win”, but this kind of groupthink is really ugly"
did a machine teach you that? because your posting ITT is robotic AF, i haven't said anything about trump
last time you posted about this, you were making the same bizarre non-sequiturs: "course of study X has great economic value, but no one will do it if it requires student loans. except they WILL take student loans to pay the taxes, and that's just terrible because then no one will do it any more" etc etc etc
look sorry you're going to pay a lot of tax, or possibly get grossed up if your university decides your labor is worth paying for; either way, no reason that MACHINE LEARNING should be the issue in settling this tax policy one way or another
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801140) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:05 PM Author: arrogant forum
"Most of the shitlibs are already paying full freight for their phds."
former grad student union exec board here. no they aren't, something like 95% of all of our grad students received tuition + stipend. professional degrees excluded obvs
"well let’s just say I doubt I’d be able to persuade you either way"
let's just say this is shit-tier reddit writing by a guy who has yet to make a solid point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801216) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: arrogant forum
how do you respond to this, from the wapo by a yale grad student in stem? tl;dr, AIAS is completely right and paper tuition is a vehicle for universities to charge money to funding agencies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/29/universities-are-also-to-blame-for-the-gops-grad-student-tax/?utm_term=.08f0fd4f0d55
"Like grants, tuition is another way the university makes money from science. While tuition looks mainly like an artifact of accounting for most graduate students in the humanities and social sciences (where the university just pays itself for tuition), in the natural and applied sciences, tuition is a way for the university administration to get more money out of the public. As the university bulletin explains, “for a standard [research assistant] appointment in addition to the salary, the grant pays half of the tuition.” In other words, the government — through the National Science Foundation, NIH, NASA and other agencies — is transferring $20,500 per year per research assistant into Yale’s accounts..."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801279) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: arrogant forum
"Most do, some don’t."
no, most ph.d track students don't pay tuition. this is distinct from the question of whether they are receiving grants. getting a no-tuition package as a ph.d student either means you are an international buying a degree or you're getting a cold offer and will get bounced in 18 months, probably before your comps.
my wife has a libarts ph.d and she never received funding or paid tuition. like, you're just fucking WRONG here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801408) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:35 PM Author: arrogant forum
the proposal is to tax tuition, not grants. try to keep up.
if their paper tuition were taxed, libarts dorks would get a tax bill they couldn't pay, forcing them to drop out (or borrow moar, lulz). universities would have to choose btw revenue-generating STEM students, who are worth keeping even at the cost of a gross-up, and useless libarts dirtbags.
we know universities would be unwilling to gross libarts losers up because as it is universities won't even pay for respectable stipends. they would have to cut back drastically on libarts grad depts, which is good b/c most of them are full of 12th-year freaks who have been dissertating since the bush administration.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801464) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 7:42 PM Author: arrogant forum
when did we start talking about this instead of MACHINE LEARNING anyway? are you no longer concerned that no one will go into MACHINE LEARNING?
"People who go into these programs are already shitlibs"
ok, so fuck 'em. better to kick them out to a job at gamestop than keep them malingering around some useless communications dept till they're 45.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801524) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 9:57 PM Author: arrogant forum
"no one's going to want to take out loans to pay taxes on a graduate degree"
did you miss the part where i said multiple times that worthwhile degrees would be grossed up? you're not going to fire labs that bring in grants.
"yeah man fuck libs. especially the ones in the middle of a degree program."
you're doing a poor job of pretending to not be MAF. we don't need professional students hanging out in badly funded humanities programs. we certainly don't need to carve out some weird exception in the tax code to enable their dysfunctionality.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34802648) |
Date: November 29th, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Shaky Pit
fuck this. free tuition is income.
if the students cant afford to pay taxes on their slave wages, make the fucking schools pay for it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34800878) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 9:12 PM Author: henna fanboi
"free tuition is income."
Could be.
But sticker price is the wrong imputed value.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34802288) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 8:21 PM Author: marvelous stubborn pervert locale
without the paper tuition scam, nsf would need to give the uni 30k so it can pay a grad student's stipend for the year.
with the paper tution scam, the nsf pays the uni 70k, 30k of which it uses to pay the grad student's stipend and 40k of which it siphons for itself as covering the grad student's "tuition" even though they aren't taking any classes.
making these exact #s up, but you get the point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34801880) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: lascivious knife theatre
I guess I get it in theory, but isn't the real issue that the universities are bilking NSF rather than anything to do with taxes? I also don't see how this is somehow stem vs humanities. Do they not both get funding from NSF?
Anyway, I think it's a fundamental tax principal that people should pay taxes on "income" even if the income isn't money, so I think it makes sense, but it sounds like the whole issue as you portrayed it is about defrauding NSF and not about taxes.
I have no doubt there are people smart enough to structure around this though, so ultimately it probably won't do anything.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34805372) |
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Date: November 30th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: marvelous stubborn pervert locale
first, it's not just NSF. there are is overall way the fuck more funding for STEM than than shitlib subjects when you consider all govt sources (nsf, nasa, nih, etc.) and private foundations.
but yes, ONE big issue is the unis bilking these grants. another big issues is these shitlib departments that need to be run out of town.
i agree, it would be easy to structure around this. this whole controversy is liberal anti-trump hysteria.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3812831&forum_id=2#34805397) |
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