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Olympic Medals Hypo #ironside
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Date: December 7th, 2017 5:29 PM Author: crimson legal warrant assume you're in one of those sports where there are a lot of medal opportunities...
1) how many silvers would you give up to have one gold. would you rather have 0 gold and 5 silvers than 1 gold and no silvers? [my answer: i'd give up an infinite number of silvers to have one gold]
2) does your answer in #1 depend on an individual or a team gold? [my answer: only applies to individual gold. i'd give up maybe 1-2 individual silvers to get a team gold, ONLY i could still keep at least one individual silver]
3) does your answer in #1 depend on the prestige of the sub-event (e.g., all around, 100m), i.e., would you give up 3 consecutive all-around silvers to get one gold in the balance beam? [my answer: tough one, but probably not. i'd still want the gold]
4) how many bronzes would you give up to get silvers? [my answer: probably none. at that point, # of medals means more.]
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:36 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point Pretty interesting hypo
1) how many silvers would you give up to have one gold. would you rather have 0 gold and 5 silvers than 1 gold and no silvers? [my answer: i'd give up an infinite number of silvers to have one gold]
2) does your answer in #1 depend on an individual or a team gold? [my answer: only applies to individual gold. i'd give up maybe 1-2 individual silvers to get a team gold, ONLY i could still keep at least one individual silver]
Answers 1 and 2 go together. I think it depends on the sport. I would give up silvers in one sport if I won, for example, a team gold in like basketball, because the team gold is the highest award in the sport. Likewise, I'd give up silvers in an individual event like diving if I could get a gold in synchronized diving, because that's really a twosome type thing and you and your partner work together the whole way. I'd also give up an individual silver in gymnastics for a team gold, assuming I actually did some of the routines (with bigger squads in the past, you could win a gold without a single one of your routines counting). The team gold can be considered by some to be the highest award in gymnastics.
I would NOT give up individual silvers in something like swimming for a relay gold, because those have weak competition and especially because you can win one by swimming in the heats and not even in the final.
Let me add one caveat here -- I think going to and medaling in multiple Olympics is valuable, so if I went to 4 straight olympics and won silver medals in each, I might actually take that over winning one team gold.
3) does your answer in #1 depend on the prestige of the sub-event (e.g., all around, 100m), i.e., would you give up 3 consecutive all-around silvers to get one gold in the balance beam? [my answer: tough one, but probably not. i'd still want the gold]
No, an individual event's prestige makes no difference to me, especially within the same sport. If we're talking different sports, I might take a silver in the 100m over a gold in like BMX racing though, but I'd really have to think about it.
4) how many bronzes would you give up to get silvers? [my answer: probably none. at that point, # of medals means more.]
I greatly prefer silvers in events that are knockout formats because, having been an athlete, getting to the finals is super meaningful, because you put yourself in a position to win the title. Losing in the SF was always the worst.
But, I go back to my point above regarding number of Olympics. I think I might actually trade 1 silver for as few as two bronzes if those bronzes were won in separate Olympics. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:40 AM Author: crimson legal warrant interesting responses.
so i something like track/gymnastics/speed skating / et where there are multiple medals to be won each olympics, you wouldnt give up any individual silvers to get an individual gold? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:42 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point I thought it was all or none.
Yeah, I'd give up some. Would depend on the numbers.
Like, imagine I went to 4 olympics in speed skating and won two silver medals at each. I'd easily trade one silver medal at each games (so 4 total) for a single gold. In that way I'm a champion and I medaled at 4 Olympics.
You'd really have to give me specific hypos I think. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:47 AM Author: crimson legal warrant let's say you only went to one olympics, and you won 2 swimming silvers. would you trade them both for a gold? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34867993) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:48 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point for an individual swimming gold 1000%
for a relay gold no |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:49 AM Author: crimson legal warrant what about 3 or 4 or 5 individual silvers for one individual gold (same olympics)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868009) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:51 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point yes. i'd hate to be runner up that many times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868028) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:53 AM Author: crimson legal warrant what about if it were 3-5 medals that's some combo of S and B so you're not "runner up" every time? does your answer change?
what about 3-5 individual silvers over 2 olympics? you'd still trade for one individual gold? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:54 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point my answer would not change. MAYBE it would change if i set some sort of record, like if i medaled in every single swimming event at the games or something.
over two Olympics I wouldn't trade 5, but I'd definitely trade 2. I'd have to think about 3 and 4.
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I wanted to be an Olympian so badly when i was a kid :( |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: crimson legal warrant interesting. so you'd rather be a 5 time silver medalist over 2 olympics than have one gold? still being runner-up that much wouldnt bother you?
...for the olympic village fuckfest? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point part of the dream is to qualify for the olympics and medal there. i think there is value to being an olympian and competing at the highest level. you can't ever get that back once it's over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868075) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 2:35 PM Author: crimson legal warrant would you rather qualify and have a 2 week drunk/fuckfest and come in SPS in your competition, or strive and come in 4th? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869771) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point I would always want to do my best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869815) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: crimson legal warrant https://youtu.be/bHr3SoVhiXU?t=32 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869968) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:12 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869997) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:55 AM Author: crimson legal warrant how do you value an all-around silver or bronze in gymnastics vs. event medals?
if you were aly raisman, would you rather someone take away your all-around silver or your floor gold? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 10:56 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point Interestingly, talking with JCM has made me appreciate the all-around title less, because being an all-arounder can mean you're really a master of nothing.
I would 1000% take an event gold over an all-around non-gold. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:00 AM Author: crimson legal warrant interesting.
are there certain other prestige events where you'd rather have an individual silver over an individual gold in a less prestigious event?
would you rather take a silver in the 100m over a gold in hurdles? silver in decathlon over a gold in the discus or something? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point not so much within the same sport.
if we are talking different sports, then yes there are some sports where i wouldn't want the gold. things like equestrian, BMX, etc. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: crimson legal warrant would you always want individual silver over a team gold? does it depend on the sport?
tennis singles silver vs. tennis doubles gold is very different than gymnastics individual event silver vs. gymnastics team gold |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point i already answered this in my first response. it depends on the sport. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868176) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: crimson legal warrant would you trade two all-around silvers at consecutive olympics for one event gold? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868108) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868151) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Vivacious codepig "being an all-arounder can mean you're really a master of nothing"
disagree, it means you're a master of lots of things, it just means there's one person in niche things who is better at just that niche thing, and on xo we call those people ASPIE FAGGOTS |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: crimson legal warrant be nice to mckayla (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868287) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point yeah i see your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868345) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:26 PM Author: crimson legal warrant do you feel the same way about the decathlon as the individual AA title?
i feel like the AA and decathlon are premier events.
not a swimming mfe, but is an IM more prestigious than any stroke event? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point yeah. to me there isn't much of a distinction.
if you asked me to pick gold vs gold obviously i have my favorites, and i'd prefer decathlon over triple jump and AA over vault, but i don't prefer any event so much so that it would trump a gold, save for a small handful. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: crimson legal warrant what small handful of events would you rather win a individual silver in over an individual gold in the same sport?
rather win a 100m dash silver than hurdles? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point no, i meant there are a small handful of events that i dislike, such as equestrian and BMX and the kayak/canoe shit. those don't move the needle for me at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870392) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan lmao aa gold/1st place is easily the potus achievement in gymnastics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870165) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:41 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point but the question is would you take an AA silver over an event gold?
personally i say no way. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan ah shit, didn't read back far enough ljl. man that's a tough one. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: crimson legal warrant btw, how many world championship golds would you trade for an individual olympic gold? infinite?
(michelle kwan) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point way less than that. i give wc golds tons of respect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870394) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: crimson legal warrant how do you think michelle kwan would answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870427) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point idk, but she's an idiot if she'd give up 5 world golds for one olympic gold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870438) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan 2. worlds are pretty fucking prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870402) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: crimson legal warrant yes, it's prestigious -- but you have a michelle kwan issue if you win too many and never win a gold, and it's a black mark on your legacy.
perhaps it's like sampras never winning RG? |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan her failure to win olympic gold doesn't diminish the inherit value or prestige of a wc gold. in her particular case it might be worth less, but as an objective exchange rate i think 2:1 is about right. i'd actually lean toward 1.5:1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870474) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:26 PM Author: crimson legal warrant i'm with you but, ITT we're not talking about objective exchange rates and inherent value.
this is all very subjective and emotional, and you've got to put yourself in the shoes of someone like michelle kwan.
objective exchange rates aren't so relevant bc they dont consider how many of each medal you'd already have. if i already had 1 olympic gold, i'd definitely rather have 3 worlds than an additional gold. if i didn't have the 1 olympic gold, i'd definitely take the gold over 3 worlds. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:32 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan really? i wouldn't trade all three in that scenario. three wc golds means your are arguably the goat of a generation. 1 oly gold and no wc means you might have gotten lucky from your competition's misfortunes in that event. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870542) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:35 PM Author: crimson legal warrant totally disagree. 1 oly gold and 2-3 world silvers/bronzes makes a solid case for goat of your generation. you had a solid 4 year peak and turned up the dial and won on the biggest stage.
someone who fails to get an olympic gold always has that stain on his/her resume. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point that's media/gc flame imo. in most sports an olympic title isn't meaningfully different from a world championship, and especially not at absurd 3:1 or 5:1 ratios. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870570) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: crimson legal warrant media/gc flame is relevant in terms of your lay prestige and future marketability and earning potential (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870596) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point most olympic champions don't get huge endorsement deals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870617) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: crimson legal warrant ofs. but they do bullshit like public motivation speaking gigs for chump change.
i'd rather show my grandkids an olympic gold than "grandpa whats a worlds medal?" |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:49 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point you underestimate kids.
they know what it means to be a WORLD champion.
and besides, we're talking about 3+ WORLD titles, not a 1-1 comparison. we'd all take the olympic title when comparing 1-1. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:56 PM Author: crimson legal warrant you think stephan djoker will be impressed with daddy's five WORLD tour championships?
good thing lance "rafa" nadal is sterile |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:45 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan CR. worlds and olympics are the same competitions vs the same striver athletes. AS AN ATHLETE i'm going to the view the 3x wc gold holder as superior to the 1x oly gold winner/0x wc gold holder over a six yr span. gc can piss off |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point fwiw, i think there is a *slight* bump across all sports in competition at the olympics, if for no other reason than some athletes make comebacks solely for the olympics. it's also why the wc right after the olympics tends to be the weakest (because there are more retirements after the olympics).
but otherwise they are very close. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:59 PM Author: crimson legal warrant olympics also have a slight bump bc you have fewer opportunities to win them. scarcity = prestige.
but due to injuries/randomness/birth year, it's a bit unfair that different people have more or less opportunities to win olympics.
making up numbers, but for a gymnast if you're 16 in an olympic year, you have an opportunity at 16 and 20. if you're 15 in the olympic year, your only shot is when you're 19. kinda unfair. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 5:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point yes, and also staying with women's gymnastics there's probably a year or two in everyone's career when they are at their peak. if it falls in between olympics, too bad!
i remember that happened to a wrestler, Les Gutches. he was NCAA champion in 95 and 96, made the olympic team in 96 with very little olympic level competition and didn't medal.
went on to crush everyone in the 97 worlds, but then had injuries and never was able to get an olympic medal. dude was off by 1 year. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 5:18 PM Author: crimson legal warrant all in favor of 14 & 15 yo's in the girl's gymnastics say aye! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870811) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 5:00 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan fair pt. probably my "the olympics are a glorified exhibition" tennis/golf bias is showing a little (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870750) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:34 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point in some respects i think the more wc golds you get the more you "miss" the olympic gold.
that said, i don't think that changes how many i'd trade, and i think 2:1 is a good ratio.
3+ world championships and you start to get into the upper echelon of the sport. |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan alternatively, safe to assume no one would do an aa bronze for an event silver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870398) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point yeah, i think i'd rather have the AA bronze. the sting of missing a gold by some razor thin judging margin on one routine would piss me off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870410) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:23 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870482) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: crimson legal warrant i'd rather have the AA bronze since the AA is the more prestigious event. and silver vs. bronze is the same in a sport like gymnastics where it's not a single-elimination thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870435) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 4:23 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870477) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:04 AM Author: Curious orchestra pit lol you guys are fags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868120) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Adventurous business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868221) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Point (guy who took the time to rank all 24 combinations of 3 tennis majors) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868228) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: crimson legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868243) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: Curious orchestra pit damn. absolutely devastating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868260) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: Dead coldplay fan needless to say that was a highlight in the year for all who participated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869807) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point PEAK tennisthreading autism, no doubt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869821) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: crimson legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34869973) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 5:09 PM Author: Elite Piazza Son Of Senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34870784) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 11:05 AM Author: Tripping office lol at incredibly unathletic kike dbg who's never excelled at a sport posting this hypo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#34868131) |
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Date: December 8th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: Silver Pozpig Unless I had an insane # of silver (like 15+) I'd give them all up for ONE gold; even with 15+ I'd still give up 5-10 for 1 gold
If I had bronze I wouldn't change any for silver because no one distinguishes between 2 and 3, only 1 and everything else
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Date: December 8th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: crimson legal warrant would you give up 5-10 silvers for a team/relay gold, or only an individual gold?
i think ironside is right that 2 vs. 3 matters in a tournament competition. a basketball or tennis silver where you got to the finals is better than a SF-bronze. |
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Date: January 3rd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#35072458) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2018 3:11 PM Author: crimson legal warrant aspiest thread of 2017?
aspiest thread of 2016 is the 3 slam combos which was right after xo stan's glorious USO win |
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Date: January 3rd, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point No way, there must be tons of aspier threads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#35072548) |
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Date: February 27th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#35498654) |
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Date: February 27th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: crimson legal warrant 180 thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#35499523) |
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Date: February 27th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point cr.
here's another point i was thinking of: is there any prestige to medaling in a bunch of events that show extreme athletic breadth?
in other words, imagine a hypothetical track athlete who wins silver medals in the 100, 200, 400, 800, 1500, 5,000 and 10,000. Medaling in all those events will never, ever be equaled, and there's some value in that. Would you trade that accomplishment for a single gold in the 800? Which of the two accomplishments is likely to be more famous 20 years after the fact? |
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Date: February 27th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: crimson legal warrant i'd rather have any of those track golds. any track gold is prestigious as fuck. maybe not 5k or 10k? but at least 100,200,400,800,1500.
i think shit like medaling in two different sports...or in winter and summer olympiads is cool and could trump a single gold, depending on the events. |
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Date: February 27th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Point maybe. idk, medaling in every track event would be an insane accomplishment. you'd be the best track athlete of all time by a gigantic margin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3821204&forum_id=2#35499649) |