What EXACTLY did HRC do that trumpmos contend was all "Lock her up" worthy. AND
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:02 PM Author: Claret 180 hunting ground
She forwarded a relative handful of emails that included then classified information and sent a bunch of emails including info thay was retroactively classified.
To my knowledge she never originated classified information on her little bullshit private server, which, given her job, implies she relied heavily on secure cables and generally tried to follow procedures for classified information.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34921352)
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:06 PM Author: Blathering spruce old irish cottage
-took $300 million in bribes from foreign leaders
-took money from Russia while giving them uranium deal
-lied about conducting confidential state dept business on an illegal private server, destroyed evidence when it was subpoenaed, instructed her minions to lie to investigators after getting caught and colluded with senior FBI agents to cover the entire thing up
-colluded with Obama's DOJ to spy on trump, launch an investigation premised on a fictional dossier which she facilitated the transfer of to US investigators all to institute a fake russia collusion scandal as a pretext for spying on a political opponent and exploiting the nation's highest law enforcement agency to interfere with the 2016 presidential election and ensuing new administration
-took money to give speeches to latam bankers promising an open borders Western Hemisphere
-lies about her shitty health, lies about everything else
-pretends to be a courageous fighter for women while enabling a lifelong rapist and sexual predator
probably missing a lot here tbh
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34921392) |
Date: December 14th, 2017 7:22 PM Author: Razzle Avocado Antidepressant Drug
It's easy and the question no one in the media asks (because they're too stupid to understand):
How did SAP material get from the government JWICS and SIPRnet networks onto Hillary's server? You cannot email this stuff to the outside world via the standard internet. It doesn't work that way.
edit: once you go down this rabbit hole, you realize that Hillary's server acted as a brokerage firm for selling classified documents.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34921558) |
Date: December 15th, 2017 11:35 AM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
this sort of toxic blowback is part of why hrc was such a shitty candidate.
From a lib perspective, looking at it critically, the level of retardetry and bullshit associated with HRC was just lethal.
That is, more particularly, for whatever reason, the electorate is too dumb, too critically thinking impaired to be able to view hrc as a candidate in any rational light, or to weigh her against Trump.
You can tell me that's the wrongheaded elitism of liberals talking there, but there's an element of truth to it. The electorate is on balance literally too dumb to think critically in light of the garbage out there on hrc, and as a consequence, she just wont work as a candidate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926816) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 9:45 AM Author: Fragrant Chest-beating Pervert Locale
"BUT, for example, using his own cell phone."
Do you know for a fact this hasn't been secured by intelligence agencies?
"Sharing top secret documents with the Japanese, in the open, in his own restaurant."
Was this proven or anonymously sourced? Is this legally within the POTUS' discretion? Do the same rules apply to SoS?
"Leaking confidential and privileged information about security risks re laptops on airplanes."
Is this legally within the POTUS' discretion? Do the same rules apply to SoS?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34934044) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 9:53 AM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
"BUT, for example, using his own cell phone."
Do you know for a fact this hasn't been secured by intelligence agencies?
It wasn't! For a long time! and perhaps even still although i think he probably had to do something after a certain point.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/donald-trump-is-still-using-his-unsecured-android-phone.html
"Sharing top secret documents with the Japanese, in the open, in his own restaurant."
Was this proven or anonymously sourced? Is this legally within the POTUS' discretion? Do the same rules apply to SoS?
There are photos taken by diners showing all the stuff out on the table! With random strangers able to snap photos of the shit on his desk! And the President isnt exempt from rules relating to security protocols for top secret intel!
"Leaking confidential and privileged information about security risks re laptops on airplanes."
Is this legally within the POTUS' discretion? Do the same rules apply to SoS?
Probably within his discretion. Probably should have secured usual protocols before doing so. As for same rules applying? Probably not.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34934069) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 10:28 AM Author: Fragrant Chest-beating Pervert Locale
http://www.businessinsider.com/mcmaster-trump-classified-info-russia-2017-5
The president indeed has the legal authority to share classified information if he wants. Contrary to what McMaster claimed, this doesn't make his choice to do so automatically appropriate.
LEGALLY he was allowed to do so. HRC?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34934213) |
Date: December 15th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
Terrible candidate.
I'm prepared to give her a pass on everything, most of which is conservative hyperventilating akin to liberals flailing about Trump, EXCEPT bleaching her server post-subpoena.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926859)
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Date: December 15th, 2017 11:46 AM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
Yeah, I find that part incredibly difficult to stomach. For most of the rest of it I view her as guilty of bad political instincts and being generally incapable of understanding the relationship between how she acts and how it may appear when cast in an unfavorable light.
As for Trump, I think he's incredibly unaware of himself, narcissistic and dangerously idiotic. All of that is at odds with someone who is masterminding this giant Russian collusion with a coverup.
In general, I think the flailing on both sides of the political spectrum is embarrassing but not unexpected. Sad for our democracy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926904) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 11:53 AM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
Education. Education is always the key.
But I'm going to bump this thread when Trump's shit comes to light.
Hasn't he been particularly cavalier with classified information? Like, right out of the box?
Just curious how trumpmos, to the extent they can understand the comparison, how do they say Trump's shit was okay when I suspect its not going to be too hard to find that what Trump has done with classified information even thus far is technically illegal.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926940) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 12:00 PM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
hold on hold on I'm not asking anyone else here to link to their wild shit about HRC and I'm not going to do it in this thread as that's not the point.
BUT, for example, using his own cell phone. Sharing top secret documents with the Japanese, in the open, in his own restaurant. Leaking confidential and privileged information about security risks re laptops on airplanes. Not to mention the pretty active exploitation of his hotels and restaurants as PResident (which presumably only requires de minimus action in order to be violative of law.)
But I think and am concerned in this thread that what I say here you wont understand as trumpmos and it will just be hooting or a "fuck you spaceporn" at the end of the day when I really am trying to get some understanding here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926988) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 11:58 AM Author: soul-stirring field
"education" doesn't mean shit. Its the media that is causing the vast majority of the problems. You really can't believe almost anything you read anymore without a tint of suspicion. This goes for the MSM outlets, all of the conservative ones, the lib ones, etc. There are a lot of super "educated" people (literally the most educated people on earth) who have insane beliefs and ideals and who completely trust in our completely tainted media, and who absolutely refuse to objectively look at politics. I have no solutions this problem though.
no clue what you are talking about with "classified info" with the exception of Trump talking about stuff to Russian ambassador (which dumb or not, as POTUS he is allowed to talk about that stuff, freely).
EDIT: also, social media is a cancer to social cohesion.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926972)
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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:53 PM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
I find media and social networks to be good at enhancing corrosive sentiments but not the root cause in and of themselves.
A ton of people aren't better off today than they were 20 years ago. A lot of people think their children will be worse off than they were. This undercuts the very core of the American dream, which is really the driver of our social identity -- come here and be better.
And here's the thing: it's true. If I'm living in vast swathes of the country right now, I am materially worse off and my children have worse prospects. This isn't a small group of people, and those people are going to vote according to their incentives. This group of people feel divorced from the American dream and Fox news preys on that emptiness while MSNBC delights and calling them all inbred hicks.
People keep trying to move this to a left/right perspective, but it just isn't. Left/right is about the relationship between government and the people. The next 50 years is about the relationship between technology and people with government having very little ability to impact that relationship.
I feel bad for all of the people left behind, but I don't see many solutions to the problem. What do you do when the vast majority of human work will be eventually better done by machines? I don't see a coal miner retraining to be a Virtual Reality headset designer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34942192) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 11:59 AM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
I lay it squarely at the doorstep of social media and the internet. It makes it very easy for people to find confirmation of their worst suspicions and find isolated groups that reaffirm idiotic world views.
Also, it's created terrible incentives for news media chasing clicks. I'm pretty devoted on the anti-Trump side and I find myself reading some of the shit put out and wondering how the fuck it got past an editor it is so slanted. Not every idiotic thing Trump does is a threat to a republic connected to some broader scheme. I don't blame the right for being suspicious of MSM but it is incredibly dangerous for us to not have some source of reliable facts.
I dunno man, it just sucks. I spend a lot of time reading the Trump fans posts on here trying to figure out how my perspective is supposed to find a bridge to them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926978) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 12:07 PM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
I think the debate around his immigration, protectionism and other items are worthwhile debates regardless of Trump's involvement. I just hate the hyperventilating and the ad hom that comes up in the face of disagreement.
I've had some really fantastic debates on here at times, but the amount of horseshit I had to wade through to get to one of those is disappointing. I find the disagreements between me and most posters on here the primary reason it is worth coming back and when I get people to engage, it is incredibly satisfying to have a discussion with someone a perspective I don't fully understand but grow to appreciate through the course of debate.
I have not been able to find that on any other forum I have gone to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34927049) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 11:51 AM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
I think there's no conceivable positive explanation to the bleaching.
As for the critical thinking aspect, many of the other things laid at her doorstep are good examples of that. Things like the Clinton Foundation -- it's politically stupid as fuck but I don't see a criminal case there. It did bear an investigation though, precisely because of how bad it looked.
Honestly, I think she has some of the worst political instincts I've ever seen. The speeches to Goldman Sachs being my favorite example.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926931) |
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Date: December 17th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
"criminal conspiracy (it most likely is)."
How the fuck is it a criminal conspiracy you fucking moron. It's been investigated like a dozen times! If it was criminal wouldn't there be prosecutions for same?
you dipshits just like following made up shit and cant tell reality from the back of your ass.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34941354) |
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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:12 PM Author: galvanic jet-lagged meetinghouse goyim
I'm not liberal. I pretty firmly hate both sides of the spectrum. I view both parties as short sighted rent seeking parasites on the body politic. I only preferred HRC to Trump because I view populists as incredibly dangerous (same goes for Bernie). I would have voted for literally any republican non-populist over HRC. The fact that I was forced to make the decision between HRC and Trump is incredibly upsetting. The fact that I only get to choose between candidates from two parasites moreso.
I only mention that because my views on HRC aren't meant to be protective of her. I've read enough on the subject to feel that it warranted an investigation because the optics demanded it but I would have been surprised if there was an explicit quid pro quo that was actionable under the law. I don't think there's enough publicly available to make a affirmative assessment. Generally people who do have a definitive view on the subject have it in service of a political preference, which I don't have here. If she broke the law, she should pay the price. The only place where I feel very strongly we have enough evidence that she did break the law is bleaching the server.
At a minimum there should have been an obstruction claim there and I don't fully understand why there wasn't. I'm assuming there was something about the timeline that gave her a veneer of plausible deniability, but it's super suspicious to me.
As for Trump, he has a very defined set of preferences related to how he views himself. His outlook is entirely egocentric. His only saving grace is how thin-skinned he is and how comprehensively that undermines his ability to do anything.
I respect the desire to re-orient how our republic works. It's a very powerful drive in politics right now and it is seeded in what I view as legitimate complaints about the failure of our government to serve the interests of broad cross-sections of the voting public. That said, choosing a populist is a terrible fucking idea. Trump even more so.
There needs to be a goal other than "tear it all down" and "drain the swamp". We need a vision for what we are supposed to be and how we are supposed to work together. I don't see that any more -- it's all delighting in the mayhem of our disagreements. It's terrifying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34942303)
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Date: December 23rd, 2017 12:17 PM Author: Crystalline heaven
"At a minimum there should have been an obstruction claim there and I don't fully understand why there wasn't. I'm assuming there hiwas something about the timeline that gave her a veneer of plausible deniability, but it's super suspicious to me."
This is HRC's story, which just so happens to be perfectly tailored to avoid anyone having requisite mental state for an obstruction charge:
1) HRC's team supposedly told the IT contractor to change the email retention policy on the server to a set period of time. I think it was 90 days.
2) HRC's team told IT contractor to wipe backups of the server.
3) The subpoena was issued.
4) An employee for the IT contractor claims he had an "oh shit" moment and realized the backups were not wiped. He then proceeded to wipe the server on his own initiative. First he claimed he wasn't aware of the subpoena, but later admitted he knew of the subpoena when he wiped the server but didn't know it pertained to the backups. This same employee made a number of posts on Reddit during this time period inquiring about how to modify dates of emails in a way that doesn't reveal they have been altered.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34991658) |
Date: December 15th, 2017 11:54 AM Author: Razzle Avocado Antidepressant Drug
Intelligence is very much a parallel world with its own culture and mission to keep the US "safe" from its threats. A key part of that mandate is ensuring operational security at all costs and is reinforced by the protocols everyone interacting with this community learns. These protocols are vital, because even the smallest of details - such as who someone is having lunch with - can give away the advantage. And make no mistake, all nations spy on each other. All nations are looking at the United States and waiting for a slip up to understand our strategy. It is a very paranoid game that these people play.
What Hillary did is treason in the eyes of many in this world (except the top echelons of the Deep State). She transmitted classified information in the clear. The repercussions of this are so far reaching and profound, it's likely that lives have already been lost. This might sound like hyperbole, but it honestly isn't. The security of operational information is only as secure as the weakest link. Hillary Clinton created a weak link on purpose, which hackers could and probably did use as an access point to gain access to more secure networks. If you think this is sci-fi, then well this is exactly how STUXNET was spread:
"Once the two elements were married, the entire package might then have been delivered to someone with access to Natanz (or to a related installation). Wittingly or not, this Patient Zero began the infection process, perhaps by plugging a USB flash drive into a critical network. The virus probably spread with the help of foreign contractors and engineers, whose computers were infected during visits to Iranian installations."
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/03/stuxnet-201104
For this very reason, all American intelligence networks (JWICS and SIPRnet) are separate from the internet. They are physically separate with an independent infrastructure spanning the globe at the cost of billions of dollars. Highly sensitive information like Special Access Programs (SAP) exist within these networks with explicit "air gaps" that are created using SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) where the nature of these secrets is psychologically reinforced by really burly men and tough women with guns who will shoot you if you act funny. The terminals themselves are isolated from the rest of the world electrically, acoustically, thermally, and electromagnetically. (you're in a Faraday cage with a known power source and a white noise generator)
For even greater security, no one individual outside of certain key decision makers have broad ranging access. Information is compartmentalized according to the role and very few people see an entire file, let alone all of the intelligence stored within this system. This is a protocol reinforced at the cost of billions of dollars, because it contains the name of our spies, analysts, what our diplomats are up to, our strategies... The whole works. Hillary Clinton compromised the security of this system so thoroughly that Edward Snowden is a blessing in comparison.
She acted as a purposeful bridge between JWICS/SIPRNet and an unsecured channel. She purposefully jeopardized the security of every single man and woman involved within American clandestine operations across the world. There are people who might have died because of this. It is that serious. In fact, we KNOW that her emails were compromised.
Again, the information she did this with isn't garden variety classified stuff like details of ports or ships. Her infractions involved Special Access Programs - these are the programs with live operational details and only a handful of people have broad access to them. This handful includes the Secretary of State and POTUS. They are that sensitive.
Now the question is (has always been), how did she get this stuff from JWICS/SIPRNet onto her server? There is no way this stuff was emailed to her email. How did it get there?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34926947) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Razzle Avocado Antidepressant Drug
some staff member is able to go view some SAP stuff in a SCIF and write it all down on a notepad and walk out? lol get the fuck outta here.
Again, how did this material end up on Hillary's server when there is no way you could have emailed it to her?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34935155)
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Date: December 15th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
this is what I said above:
"BUT, for example, using his own cell phone. Sharing top secret documents with the Japanese, in the open, in his own restaurant. Leaking confidential and privileged information about security risks re laptops on airplanes. Not to mention the pretty active exploitation of his hotels and restaurants as PResident (which presumably only requires de minimus action in order to be violative of law.)"
Can you respond substantively?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34927251) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 9:20 AM Author: yellow dashing lay headpube
Explain how any of these violate the law.
Keep in mind that a President literally cannot leak classified information. And if you’re going for the Emoluments Lcuase with the last one, lol at you. There’s a reason why even hardcore libs have moved on to other things.
I won’t respond to your rebuttal and will give you the last word, because you never shut the fuck up when you think you’re being smart (the hallmark of your 90IQ genetic conditions I’m sure)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34933958) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 9:27 AM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
But there is enough there implicate Trump in gross negligence in how he has failed to implicate basic security protocols surrounding confidential information! While he can share confidential information if he chooses, he has to take precautions to keep shit confidential. Using his own cell phone, laying shit all out in a restaurant w onlookers, letting russians have access to the WH during a meeting, including a russian journalist / spy w a camera, all these things strike me as being very similar to the level of negligence on the part of HRC. How is this different? What am I missing?
Keep in mind, the laws that require supreme care in treating this information as confidential apply to EVERYONE, president isnt exempt
Also, the emoluments issue is currently in court and will be raised again pretty hard core in 2018, fwiw
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34933987) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 10:00 AM Author: yellow dashing lay headpube
So you ignored all of the obstruction of justice committed by HRC discussed by multiple posters above and obtusely ask how this is any different? You also implicitly acknowledge I’m correct that Trump literally cannot have committed a crime by divulging classified information, but you spout nonsense about it being gross negligence of some sort, even though under the law it still cannot lead to criminal liability. Even dumb lib talking heads acknowledge it’s his prerogative.
Look, i now fully recognize you’re entirely well executed flame. Dumb, usually lib politics analysis. Shitlaw pedigree barely making it. Shrew Asian wife. Tiny penis. There’s no way someone would have this constellation of attributes, and then on top of that, share all of them with a board like this. You’ve created a persona that is the opposite of the XO ideal, and in so doing, like any good satire, you shine a spotlight on all of our inadequacies. Well done, FRIEND.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34934090) |
Date: December 16th, 2017 10:14 AM Author: Talented son of senegal digit ratio
James Comey (with help from Peter Strzok) softened the blow and declared that HRC was extremely careless with classified info -- and the statute criminalizes "gross negligence."
In reality, it was entirely deliberate. It was willful mishandling of classified info and her team of aides knew it and helped.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34934155)
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Date: December 17th, 2017 12:10 PM Author: dull alcoholic menage main people
So help me to understand two points:
1) how was this "entirely deliberate" rather than just boomer incompetence.
2) how this is any different than the gross negligence Trump demonstrated almost immediately after taking office concerning top secret information? (and for which Trump is Not exempt as President--no Presidential exception has been carved out for gross negligence in the handling of top secret files.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#34941467) |
Date: November 19th, 2018 11:04 PM Author: Marvelous awkward house
Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year
https://wapo.st/2zhuO7Q
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3829263&forum_id=2#37267519) |
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