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day 44 of squatting everyday - up 9 lbs

feels good bros
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
not a healthy rate of weight gain
bossy nudist quadroon lettuce
  12/17/17
actually down about 1% BF
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Rofl
Fragrant Hominid
  12/17/17
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slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
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swashbuckling obsidian selfie temple
  12/17/17
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thriller plaza roast beef
  12/17/17
Flame that you haven't missed a day in 44 days. What's your ...
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
maybe he's not squatting ridiculous amounts of weight relati...
Crimson step-uncle's house
  12/17/17
today it was kettlebell front squats for reps, yesterday was...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
how much weight for light days?
Crimson step-uncle's house
  12/17/17
the goblet squats were with a 100lb dumbbell really jjust to...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
I've never seen someone who squats in the 500s with proper f...
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
might try the bulgarian split squats next saturday, thank
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
https://youtu.be/O9pCSLDBYZ0 Hth
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
form? depends on the lift; I don't do the same variation eve...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
One rep max
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
on what?
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
High bar
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
i don't 1rm on high bar because it's a sub-maximal back squa...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
heavy squats every day?
provocative site water buffalo
  12/17/17
heavy on weekdays, weekends are light days
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
I was working up to legs every day. Was at like 4 times a we...
Charismatic boiling water
  12/17/17
you need more food
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
youre not working your legs hard enough if you can do squats...
Exhilarant dopamine
  12/17/17
you're not eating enough if you can't walk the next day i...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
alright man, i'm not going to dignify squats every day with ...
Exhilarant dopamine
  12/17/17
it's absolutely doable if you're getting the right food and ...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
And by right supplements you mean gear
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
i have never taken anything illegally
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
http://365daysofsquatting.blogspot.com/?m=1 This guy squa...
Fragrant Hominid
  12/17/17
do you have a hypothesis for this? it defies logic. i assume...
Exhilarant dopamine
  12/17/17
1) depends on the dose; if you're running 1 cc a week you st...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Ljl you don't lift with your legs on bench. Leg drive give m...
talking big office circlehead
  12/17/17
I think youre confused, you have your legs on the floor and ...
slippery olive theatre
  12/18/17
Lmao just realized this entire thread is flame
talking big office circlehead
  12/18/17
When you stop your body will shut down, you'll be in pain fo...
overrated hospital
  12/17/17
odd case: not working out leads to pain and poor health
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
it's probably all in your ass and now you look bizarre hea...
shaky iridescent box office fat ankles
  12/17/17
see above, i havent stopped training the rest; its more squa...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
24/7 squats. i like it.
shaky iridescent box office fat ankles
  12/17/17
Bulgarian method is flame but i guess you'll build mental to...
rose menage
  12/17/17
He's on roids which is the magical ingredient that makes any...
swashbuckling obsidian selfie temple
  12/17/17
define "roids" ive never taken anything illegal
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Doesn't matter if a doctor prescribed them to you faggot
unhinged dragon
  12/17/17
that's right, forgot about this somehow. thread makes more s...
bossy nudist quadroon lettuce
  12/17/17
i am not "on steroids"
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Tell us every single thing you put in your mouth that isn't ...
fluffy parlor
  12/17/17
vitamin d and b12
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
you've posted about being on juice before I distinctly recal...
bossy nudist quadroon lettuce
  12/17/17
...
unhinged dragon
  12/17/17
I think TRT is appropriate for people who are deficient, jus...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Damn dude didn't know you were on gear. I had some Qs about ...
disgusting lilac pozpig
  12/17/17
I am a vegetarian who lifts natty I'll take your Qs
bossy nudist quadroon lettuce
  12/17/17
Nice. So I went veggy in october and my weight has steady dr...
disgusting lilac pozpig
  12/17/17
1) check your calories, if you've kept them the same going f...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
edit: cutting is almost always flame for non-competitive bod...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
you definitely have a much larger and heavier frame than I d...
bossy nudist quadroon lettuce
  12/17/17
I'm vegan, but really only 97% vegan because I've started ea...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
Nice. I know a few bros that have done Squat Everyday, most...
Translucent unholy lay
  12/17/17
i was front squatting 3x a week beforehand and that's my def...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17
500lb front squat is insane. I can never work on FS consist...
Translucent unholy lay
  12/17/17
try front squatting with the SSB; you'll have to dial down t...
slippery olive theatre
  12/17/17


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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

feels good bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942143)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: bossy nudist quadroon lettuce

not a healthy rate of weight gain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942155)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

actually down about 1% BF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942168)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:31 PM
Author: Fragrant Hominid

Rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942404)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:34 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942425)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: swashbuckling obsidian selfie temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942891)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:26 PM
Author: thriller plaza roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943843)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

Flame that you haven't missed a day in 44 days. What's your orm and describe your knee, elbow, wrist, hip and lower back pain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942162)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:52 PM
Author: Crimson step-uncle's house

maybe he's not squatting ridiculous amounts of weight relative to size

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942184)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:12 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

today it was kettlebell front squats for reps, yesterday was goblet squats for reps; day before was heavy front squats for triples; day before was low bar for heavy singles

generally squat session doesn't last for more than 30 minutes then i spend the next half hour to an hour working something else; only deadlifting once a week now generally on same day i low-bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942301)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: Crimson step-uncle's house

how much weight for light days?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942326)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

the goblet squats were with a 100lb dumbbell really jjust to get the blood flowing for recovery and the kettlebells were a pair of 30kgs, obviously submaximal weight cause the problem is trying to stay balanced with the kettlebells

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942345)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

I've never seen someone who squats in the 500s with proper form doing retarded shit like kettle bell squats. Do some Bulgarian split squats and belt squats instead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942359)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

might try the bulgarian split squats next saturday, thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942365)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

https://youtu.be/O9pCSLDBYZ0

Hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942377)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

form? depends on the lift; I don't do the same variation everyday; high bar, low bar, front, zercher, goblet, overhead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942197)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:00 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

One rep max

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942237)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:02 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

on what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942253)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:12 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

High bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942304)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:17 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

i don't 1rm on high bar because it's a sub-maximal back squat to begin with but i've done 505 for 3; 1rm calculator puts me a 535 [I only 1RM on low bar and front squat]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942317)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:51 PM
Author: provocative site water buffalo

heavy squats every day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942182)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 1:58 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

heavy on weekdays, weekends are light days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942229)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:04 PM
Author: Charismatic boiling water

I was working up to legs every day. Was at like 4 times a week. Was definitely too much for me. Weird things started hurting. I’m back down to 1-2 times a week and I’m fine with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942270)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

you need more food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942292)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:05 PM
Author: Exhilarant dopamine

youre not working your legs hard enough if you can do squats every day. when i really go nuts on legs i can barely walk the next day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942273)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:08 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

you're not eating enough if you can't walk the next day

i'm hitting 5-6k calories a day right now, plenty for recovery

also this only applies if you do stupid shit like gas yourself on leg press machines and leg extensions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942289)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:19 PM
Author: Exhilarant dopamine

alright man, i'm not going to dignify squats every day with even a millisecond of serious thought. i'm doing just fine as is. good luck though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942322)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

it's absolutely doable if you're getting the right food and supplements

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942358)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

And by right supplements you mean gear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942370)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:29 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

i have never taken anything illegally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942391)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:29 PM
Author: Fragrant Hominid

http://365daysofsquatting.blogspot.com/?m=1

This guy squatted everyday for a year and never benched and his max bench went up 40 lbs.

Most people wildly underestimate what overtraining actually is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942392)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant dopamine

do you have a hypothesis for this? it defies logic. i assume you'll say something about testosterone, but even people on steroids need to lift for their max bench to increase substantially

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942441)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:41 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

1) depends on the dose; if you're running 1 cc a week you still need to lift, but once you start going over 300mg there are studies where people sat on their ass and gained muscle though at that dose you need an AI and risk shutting yourself down, to give you an idea of what bodybuilders use; I know a guy who was running 2 CCs a DAY; the therapeutic dose might be .5-1 CC a week

2) proper *max* bench press uses ALOT of leg drive; stronger legs can increase your bench

3) you can improve some lifts with other lifts; a huge overhead press will improve a bench but not vice versa; i only bench once a week (but do dips and push-ups) but overhead press 2-3 times a week, my bench is still strong though it has always been my weak point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942474)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 9:23 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

Ljl you don't lift with your legs on bench. Leg drive give means creating stability and a greater arch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944991)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:30 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

I think youre confused, you have your legs on the floor and push through the legs

arch has to do with ability to extend the spine thoracicaly but hyperextending it takes the chest out of the lift

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34952924)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 10:33 PM
Author: talking big office circlehead

Lmao just realized this entire thread is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34953556)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: overrated hospital

When you stop your body will shut down, you'll be in pain for a week and then you'll get sick for a long time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942297)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

odd case: not working out leads to pain and poor health

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942361)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: shaky iridescent box office fat ankles

it's probably all in your ass and now you look bizarre

heavy 'squats' and deadlifts are the most retarded lifts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942325)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

see above, i havent stopped training the rest; its more squats + something else

only problems ive noticed is that my hamstrings aren't getting a ton of direct work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942352)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: shaky iridescent box office fat ankles

24/7 squats. i like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942372)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: rose menage

Bulgarian method is flame but i guess you'll build mental toughness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942362)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: swashbuckling obsidian selfie temple

He's on roids which is the magical ingredient that makes any retarded program work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34942876)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:08 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

define "roids" ive never taken anything illegal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943748)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:49 PM
Author: unhinged dragon

Doesn't matter if a doctor prescribed them to you faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943982)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: bossy nudist quadroon lettuce

that's right, forgot about this somehow. thread makes more sense knowing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943753)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

i am not "on steroids"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943759)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: fluffy parlor

Tell us every single thing you put in your mouth that isn't food. We won't let you weasel out of this with "nothing illegal".

Be complete in your description. Then let us judge you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943781)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:23 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

vitamin d and b12

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943835)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:37 PM
Author: bossy nudist quadroon lettuce

you've posted about being on juice before I distinctly recall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943897)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:49 PM
Author: unhinged dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943983)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:00 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

I think TRT is appropriate for people who are deficient, just like medicine is OK for any medical condition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944060)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:36 PM
Author: disgusting lilac pozpig

Damn dude didn't know you were on gear. I had some Qs about my vegetarian diet but I'm natty so your answers are prob useless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943893)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:37 PM
Author: bossy nudist quadroon lettuce

I am a vegetarian who lifts natty I'll take your Qs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943899)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 6:46 PM
Author: disgusting lilac pozpig

Nice. So I went veggy in october and my weight has steady dropped from 245 to 220 since then. I feel great, but my strength and indurance during lifts feels has been diminished. Not bigly but noticeably. Secondly, this weight loss hasn't torched as much fat like previous keto or super clean body building diets I've done.

I think both of these changes are from too little protein and too much carbs and I worry I'm just decimating muscle mass. Any advice? Also what are your fav post workout meal. Really struggling to get 200+ grams of protein a day



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34943954)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:04 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

1) check your calories, if you've kept them the same going from 240 to 220 what was your cutting might now be your maintenance, as you lose weight your BMR decreases and as you exercise, your body becomes more efficient and burns less calories exercising unless you consistently increase the difficulty

2) carb:protein ratio should be 2:1; easy to get high protein as a vegetarian, cottage cheese, egg whites, milk, and occasionally meat substitutes

3) make sure your carbs are clean; rice, potatoes, oats are probably the t3

4) have you hit a 2 plate bench, 3 plate squat, and 4 plate dl? you have no business cutting until you can do this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944089)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:26 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

edit: cutting is almost always flame for non-competitive bodybuilders; focus on building muscle not cutting from a skinny fat 200 pound guy to a skinny fat 180 pound guy; you need to put on 20 pounds of muscle before you start sculpting; ive been lifting over 10 years and will be doing my first actual cut starting in march

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944204)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: bossy nudist quadroon lettuce

you definitely have a much larger and heavier frame than I do so we are not going to have the same struggle w/r/t mass maintenance.

during working out I finish my second two-scoop protein shake of the day, and when I get home I eat a quest bar which is good for 20 more gs. Dinner always incorporates milk and/or cheese, and I have yogurt once a day.

if I'm reading correctly, you lost 25 pounds in about 2 months, which is a staggering clip. There are going to be serious muscle mass losses associated with that. The slower you cut, the more muscle you'll preserve over the length of it. The tradeoff is that cutting sucks balls and you'll be doing it longer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944255)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

I'm vegan, but really only 97% vegan because I've started eating eggs once or twice a week since there is a farm here that doesn't cull and i'm vegan more for ethical reasons; i think you can be perfectly healthy and eat meat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944070)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:12 PM
Author: Translucent unholy lay

Nice. I know a few bros that have done Squat Everyday, most had great success. My only criticism (based on discussions with them) is that its hard to transition into another training style when you are done with it. Nothing comes close to the overall weekly workload, aside from maybe Sheiko or whatever. So most of the time bar weight drops pretty quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944119)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:23 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

i was front squatting 3x a week beforehand and that's my default so not worried about too much of a drop, would be nice to get to 505 on a front squat at some point but have been lifting since i was in hs so starting to get joint injuries; i also do cleans but i deadlift only a couple of reps each week because they destroy my framee (I'm naturally very ecto and lose weight very easily)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832126&forum_id=2#34944186)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:31 PM
Author: Translucent unholy lay

500lb front squat is insane. I can never work on FS consistently because I'm tall with SPS mobility, so it feels god awful and uncomfortable, no matter how much I work on it. Eventually I usually say fuck it and switch over to the safety squat bar. Feel like it gives me 90% of the benefit, without making me MAF the entire session.

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Date: December 17th, 2017 7:45 PM
Author: slippery olive theatre

try front squatting with the SSB; you'll have to dial down the weight a ton but its great

also try getting a pair of weightlifting shoes; people say they aren't natural but neither is putting a 455 lb barbell in front of you and squatting with it

i think most people would be better off with ssb cause the regular barbell back squat can really fuck your shoulders, i use an olympic bar cause i actually train the o-lifts

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