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Vanity Fair: Last Jedi offers the harsh condemnation of mansplaining we needed

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-...
slippery newt pit
  12/17/17
lol kikes... keep it up, see what happens next.
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cerise principal's office therapy
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Grizzly Marketing Idea
  12/18/17
jesus christ lmao
Filthy toilet seat
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god damnit
Greedy Garrison
  12/17/17
haha very funny evan almost got me
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mentally impaired locale wrinkle
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lol @ fat beta schlub millennial 'dads' taking their sons to...
frisky appetizing stage immigrant
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honest question - why do libs confuse fictional depictions w...
Beady-eyed State
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at root, lib metaphysics involves a denial of objective real...
Thirsty big-titted really tough guy partner
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maroon metal voyeur idea he suggested
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Greedy Garrison
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libs prefer to focus on minor, tangential issues (pronouns, ...
Cowardly Self-centered Church
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tripping dilemma blood rage
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Misunderstood exciting base turdskin
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Khaki kitchen ratface
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Greedy Garrison
  12/17/17
*vomits
Mahogany Keepsake Machete
  12/17/17
"THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!"
stubborn prole
  12/17/17
Lol lib bros, look who you've thrown your lot with.
Insane hideous reading party
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Every. Goddamn. Time.
Anal Locus Son Of Senegal
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imagine how distraught shitlibs would be if it weren't for t...
seedy thriller athletic conference brunch
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Misunderstood exciting base turdskin
  12/17/17
libs, you crazy
Cowardly Self-centered Church
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i love how this article is surrounded with ads for the rag &...
Coral Territorial Casino
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sticky violent affirmative action
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Any article should also carry a photo of the author and thei...
cyan spectacular point
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"By in large"? did "Vanity Fair" act...
wild nowag pozpig
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in large: http://www.gettyimages.com/event/vanity-fair-soci...
glassy box office travel guidebook
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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: slippery newt pit

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Offers the Harsh Condemnation of Mansplaining We Need in 2017

An eerily perfect installment for the post-Trump era.

Joanna Robinson

December 15, 2017 4:04 pm

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Courtesy of Walt Disney Pictures/LucasFilm.

This article contains considerable spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi. If you want to go into the movie pure as the driven salt on the mining planet of Crait, you should wait until later to read this. Otherwise, join us for a closer look at how, even though it’s set long ago and in a galaxy far, far away, The Last Jedi dished up a vital 2017 lesson about sexual politics in the workplace.

The Last Jedi opens with a familiar sight. A cocky flyboy—fan favorite Poe Dameron—zipping around a big, evil ship taking out cannons with the help of some Red, Blue, or Gold leaders. Defying a direct order from his boss, General Organa, Dameron leads the rebel air force into victory, yes—but also a lot of fiery casualties. The toll of this mission is driven home by the poignant death of Paige Tico—and while Poe expects to be greeted as a conquering hero, he instead finds his boss enraged. She tells him he needs to understand the chain of command and what it takes to lead. “I need you to learn that,” Leia lectures him. He gets a slap and a demotion for his trouble. It’s only the first of many such lessons in a movie that takes time away from the light and dark battles of Rey and Kylo to deliver a stinging referendum on gendered office politics.

The Poe-Leia relationship may be somewhat fraught, but The Last Jedi writer-director Rian Johnson really doubles down on this theme when Leia goes into a coma and is replaced by Vice Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern). Poe, clearly hoping to be tapped to stand in for Leia, immediately criticizes his new superior. “That’s Admiral Holdo?” he asks a fellow resistance fighter while taking in his new boss’s gown, purple hair, and jewelry. “Not what I was expecting,” he almost sneers.

That Holdo is kind yet dismissive of Poe only enrages him further. She urges him, for the safety of all concerned, to “stick to your post and follow my orders.” He doesn’t; as a result, many rebels die. Speaking about her character’s stylish-yet-firm leadership, Dern told Vanity Fair: “[Rian is] saying something that’s been a true challenge in feminism. Are we going to lead and be who we are as women in our femininity? Or are we going to dress up in a boy’s clothes to do the boy’s job? I think we’re waking up to what we want feminism to look like.”

One might argue that if Holdo had filled in Poe on her plan—to evade the First Order fleet long enough to get within range of an old base on Crait—Poe would have listened and fallen in line. But to borrow a phrase from Poe himself, this mission was a “need-to-know.” And as soon as a frustrated Holdo and Leia let Poe in on the plan, he blabs about it over the comms to Finn loud enough that Benicio del Toro’s D.J. can hear—and, later, sell them out. If Poe had just listened to Leia and Holdo from the start, the rebel fleet wouldn’t have been quite so decimated by the end of the film. Poe does clearly learn his lesson by the final frames of The Last Jedi—and only then do his admiration for Holdo, his respect for Leia, and his realization of just how much he doesn’t know position him to finally become the leader these powerful women hoped he’d be.

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It’s clever for Johnson to have put this story on the very likable Poe. (Both Leia and Holdo are careful to reassure audiences that they, too, like the guy.) We expect dismissive sexism from the First Order (how many times do they refer to Rey as “The Girl?”), but to see it from a friendly face is even more instructive. Any female boss in 2017 or American still nursing the hangover of the 2016 presidential election can tell you that even nice guys often have trouble taking orders from women.

This message—women being largely right, and men being mostly wrong—extends to most but not all aspects of The Last Jedi. Rose Tico was certainly right to insist that Finn stay and fight, and right again to save him when attempts to needlessly sacrifice himself. Rey and Leia were right that Luke should join the resistance. But Luke still has some things to teach his young student. When they fight on the rainy cliffs of Ahch-To over her desperate hope that she can save Ben Solo, Luke is correct in telling Rey that “this is not going to go the way you think.” And in the end, no matter how Poe and Finn may have stumbled—or Holdo, Leia, Rose, and Rey may have triumphed—it’s still Luke Skywalker who gets the film’s big damn hero moment.

But by in large, The Last Jedi’s examination of gender politics does fit into this trilogy’s message that the true heirs to the power in this universe are not white men like Hux and Kylo but women and people of color. Though The Last Jedi began filming in early 2016—in other words, long before a referendum on Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton informed every aspect of American storytelling—it’s impossible to ignore the parallels on screen here.

The film’s progressive ideology is already ticking off some calcified corners of the fandom—the kind of fans who dismissed Ridley’s heroic Rey as a too-powerful “Mary Sue” after the last film. But just because some Star Wars lovers are out of reach for the message this movie delivers, there is still hope for a new generation. Just like that kid at the end of The Last Jedi, holding his broom aloft and wearing the resistance jewelry left behind by Rose, an entire generation of young Star Wars watchers will remember the brave, smart, capable women of The Last Jedi—and the consequences of doubting their leadership.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942925)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: bright soggy telephone

lol kikes...

keep it up, see what happens next.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942927)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: cerise principal's office therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943214)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: Grizzly Marketing Idea



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:01 PM
Author: Filthy toilet seat

jesus christ lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942941)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:03 PM
Author: Greedy Garrison

god damnit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942947)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:05 PM
Author: Mahogany Keepsake Machete

haha very funny evan almost got me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942959)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: mentally impaired locale wrinkle



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: frisky appetizing stage immigrant

lol @ fat beta schlub millennial 'dads' taking their sons to see this shit.

i hope those kids grow up and kill their parents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942973)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Beady-eyed State

honest question - why do libs confuse fictional depictions with reality, or at least with some relevant reflection of reality? we see this in many avenues, like their incessant harry potter analogies. they also treat awards shows (where the winners are chosen on political grounds) as relevant social "statements" to an increasing degree. where does this idiocy/lack of discernment between fictive and non-fictive settings come from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942996)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:26 PM
Author: Thirsty big-titted really tough guy partner

at root, lib metaphysics involves a denial of objective reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943114)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:34 AM
Author: maroon metal voyeur idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947587)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Greedy Garrison



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: Cowardly Self-centered Church

libs prefer to focus on minor, tangential issues (pronouns, award shows, the racial breakdown of characters in a fantasy movie) and avoid larger, difficult ones like, say, the role of women in Islamic countries. it's because most of what they're doing is for the benefit of their own egos and to convince themselves that they're good people, not to actually make meaningful changes for the most number of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943178)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: tripping dilemma blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943192)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: Misunderstood exciting base turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943209)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: Khaki kitchen ratface

Pic of the author: http://gamergate.trendolizer.com/assets_c/2017/07/x6657259-thumb-300xauto-5806960.jpg.pagespeed.ic.S0FJrw93rG.jpg



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943102)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Greedy Garrison



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Mahogany Keepsake Machete

*vomits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943159)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: stubborn prole

"THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943208)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:24 AM
Author: Insane hideous reading party

Lol lib bros, look who you've thrown your lot with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947534)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 10:16 AM
Author: Anal Locus Son Of Senegal

Every. Goddamn. Time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947906)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: seedy thriller athletic conference brunch

imagine how distraught shitlibs would be if it weren't for the fact that literally trillions of dollars and the largest culture industry the world has ever seen are at work reaffirming their beliefs for them constantly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943130)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Misunderstood exciting base turdskin



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: Cowardly Self-centered Church

libs, you crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943156)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: Coral Territorial Casino

i love how this article is surrounded with ads for the rag & bone last jedi fashion line. Perfect GC/identity politics synergy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943197)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: sticky violent affirmative action

Body pic of the author (yellow dress):

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/vanity-fair-social-club-for-emmy-weekend-669021679#josh-duboffjulie-miller-joanna-robinson-and-mike-hogan-attends-the-picture-id607345276

Explains a lot tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943280)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:44 AM
Author: cyan spectacular point

Any article should also carry a photo of the author and their voting history. It would really help us sift through the garbage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947111)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:47 AM
Author: wild nowag pozpig

"By in large"?

did "Vanity Fair" actually print that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947114)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 7:33 AM
Author: glassy box office travel guidebook

in large:

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/vanity-fair-social-club-for-emmy-weekend-669021679#josh-duboffjulie-miller-joanna-robinson-and-mike-hogan-attends-the-picture-id607345276

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947204)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 8:27 AM
Author: frum floppy temple trust fund

not sure link works - every time I click I get a picture of Rowan Blanchard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947327)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Gaped digit ratio

and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947642)