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Vanity Fair: Last Jedi offers the harsh condemnation of mansplaining we needed

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honest question - why do libs confuse fictional depictions w...
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at root, lib metaphysics involves a denial of objective real...
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"THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!"
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Lol lib bros, look who you've thrown your lot with.
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Every. Goddamn. Time.
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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: obsidian partner cumskin

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Offers the Harsh Condemnation of Mansplaining We Need in 2017

An eerily perfect installment for the post-Trump era.

Joanna Robinson

December 15, 2017 4:04 pm

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Courtesy of Walt Disney Pictures/LucasFilm.

This article contains considerable spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi. If you want to go into the movie pure as the driven salt on the mining planet of Crait, you should wait until later to read this. Otherwise, join us for a closer look at how, even though it’s set long ago and in a galaxy far, far away, The Last Jedi dished up a vital 2017 lesson about sexual politics in the workplace.

The Last Jedi opens with a familiar sight. A cocky flyboy—fan favorite Poe Dameron—zipping around a big, evil ship taking out cannons with the help of some Red, Blue, or Gold leaders. Defying a direct order from his boss, General Organa, Dameron leads the rebel air force into victory, yes—but also a lot of fiery casualties. The toll of this mission is driven home by the poignant death of Paige Tico—and while Poe expects to be greeted as a conquering hero, he instead finds his boss enraged. She tells him he needs to understand the chain of command and what it takes to lead. “I need you to learn that,” Leia lectures him. He gets a slap and a demotion for his trouble. It’s only the first of many such lessons in a movie that takes time away from the light and dark battles of Rey and Kylo to deliver a stinging referendum on gendered office politics.

The Poe-Leia relationship may be somewhat fraught, but The Last Jedi writer-director Rian Johnson really doubles down on this theme when Leia goes into a coma and is replaced by Vice Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern). Poe, clearly hoping to be tapped to stand in for Leia, immediately criticizes his new superior. “That’s Admiral Holdo?” he asks a fellow resistance fighter while taking in his new boss’s gown, purple hair, and jewelry. “Not what I was expecting,” he almost sneers.

That Holdo is kind yet dismissive of Poe only enrages him further. She urges him, for the safety of all concerned, to “stick to your post and follow my orders.” He doesn’t; as a result, many rebels die. Speaking about her character’s stylish-yet-firm leadership, Dern told Vanity Fair: “[Rian is] saying something that’s been a true challenge in feminism. Are we going to lead and be who we are as women in our femininity? Or are we going to dress up in a boy’s clothes to do the boy’s job? I think we’re waking up to what we want feminism to look like.”

One might argue that if Holdo had filled in Poe on her plan—to evade the First Order fleet long enough to get within range of an old base on Crait—Poe would have listened and fallen in line. But to borrow a phrase from Poe himself, this mission was a “need-to-know.” And as soon as a frustrated Holdo and Leia let Poe in on the plan, he blabs about it over the comms to Finn loud enough that Benicio del Toro’s D.J. can hear—and, later, sell them out. If Poe had just listened to Leia and Holdo from the start, the rebel fleet wouldn’t have been quite so decimated by the end of the film. Poe does clearly learn his lesson by the final frames of The Last Jedi—and only then do his admiration for Holdo, his respect for Leia, and his realization of just how much he doesn’t know position him to finally become the leader these powerful women hoped he’d be.

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It’s clever for Johnson to have put this story on the very likable Poe. (Both Leia and Holdo are careful to reassure audiences that they, too, like the guy.) We expect dismissive sexism from the First Order (how many times do they refer to Rey as “The Girl?”), but to see it from a friendly face is even more instructive. Any female boss in 2017 or American still nursing the hangover of the 2016 presidential election can tell you that even nice guys often have trouble taking orders from women.

This message—women being largely right, and men being mostly wrong—extends to most but not all aspects of The Last Jedi. Rose Tico was certainly right to insist that Finn stay and fight, and right again to save him when attempts to needlessly sacrifice himself. Rey and Leia were right that Luke should join the resistance. But Luke still has some things to teach his young student. When they fight on the rainy cliffs of Ahch-To over her desperate hope that she can save Ben Solo, Luke is correct in telling Rey that “this is not going to go the way you think.” And in the end, no matter how Poe and Finn may have stumbled—or Holdo, Leia, Rose, and Rey may have triumphed—it’s still Luke Skywalker who gets the film’s big damn hero moment.

But by in large, The Last Jedi’s examination of gender politics does fit into this trilogy’s message that the true heirs to the power in this universe are not white men like Hux and Kylo but women and people of color. Though The Last Jedi began filming in early 2016—in other words, long before a referendum on Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton informed every aspect of American storytelling—it’s impossible to ignore the parallels on screen here.

The film’s progressive ideology is already ticking off some calcified corners of the fandom—the kind of fans who dismissed Ridley’s heroic Rey as a too-powerful “Mary Sue” after the last film. But just because some Star Wars lovers are out of reach for the message this movie delivers, there is still hope for a new generation. Just like that kid at the end of The Last Jedi, holding his broom aloft and wearing the resistance jewelry left behind by Rose, an entire generation of young Star Wars watchers will remember the brave, smart, capable women of The Last Jedi—and the consequences of doubting their leadership.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942925)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: Fighting plaza filthpig

lol kikes...

keep it up, see what happens next.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942927)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: submissive yapping wrinkle



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: Laughsome crawly corner



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:01 PM
Author: Apoplectic Cruise Ship Rigpig

jesus christ lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942941)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:03 PM
Author: Cobalt exhilarant casino

god damnit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942947)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:05 PM
Author: Cerebral Out-of-control Puppy Principal's Office

haha very funny evan almost got me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942959)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: fishy church



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: shimmering menage

lol @ fat beta schlub millennial 'dads' taking their sons to see this shit.

i hope those kids grow up and kill their parents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942973)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Sick Bat-shit-crazy Voyeur University

honest question - why do libs confuse fictional depictions with reality, or at least with some relevant reflection of reality? we see this in many avenues, like their incessant harry potter analogies. they also treat awards shows (where the winners are chosen on political grounds) as relevant social "statements" to an increasing degree. where does this idiocy/lack of discernment between fictive and non-fictive settings come from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34942996)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:26 PM
Author: multi-colored main people

at root, lib metaphysics involves a denial of objective reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943114)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:34 AM
Author: Ungodly weed whacker codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947587)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Cobalt exhilarant casino



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: cordovan wonderful theater stage

libs prefer to focus on minor, tangential issues (pronouns, award shows, the racial breakdown of characters in a fantasy movie) and avoid larger, difficult ones like, say, the role of women in Islamic countries. it's because most of what they're doing is for the benefit of their own egos and to convince themselves that they're good people, not to actually make meaningful changes for the most number of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943178)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: Blue area associate



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: Charcoal windowlicker



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: Razzmatazz office dog poop

Pic of the author: http://gamergate.trendolizer.com/assets_c/2017/07/x6657259-thumb-300xauto-5806960.jpg.pagespeed.ic.S0FJrw93rG.jpg



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Cobalt exhilarant casino



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:31 PM
Author: Cerebral Out-of-control Puppy Principal's Office

*vomits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943159)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: Mischievous plum coffee pot internal respiration

"THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943208)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:24 AM
Author: medicated cuckold rigor

Lol lib bros, look who you've thrown your lot with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947534)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 10:16 AM
Author: effete sickened crackhouse

Every. Goddamn. Time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947906)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: self-absorbed fat ankles pisswyrm

imagine how distraught shitlibs would be if it weren't for the fact that literally trillions of dollars and the largest culture industry the world has ever seen are at work reaffirming their beliefs for them constantly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943130)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Charcoal windowlicker



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: cordovan wonderful theater stage

libs, you crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943156)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: hairless pink lay sweet tailpipe

i love how this article is surrounded with ads for the rag & bone last jedi fashion line. Perfect GC/identity politics synergy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943197)



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Date: December 17th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: domesticated chestnut goyim business firm

Body pic of the author (yellow dress):

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/vanity-fair-social-club-for-emmy-weekend-669021679#josh-duboffjulie-miller-joanna-robinson-and-mike-hogan-attends-the-picture-id607345276

Explains a lot tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34943280)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:44 AM
Author: Talking generalized bond

Any article should also carry a photo of the author and their voting history. It would really help us sift through the garbage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947111)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:47 AM
Author: Insane mediation

"By in large"?

did "Vanity Fair" actually print that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947114)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 7:33 AM
Author: bateful chocolate lettuce

in large:

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/vanity-fair-social-club-for-emmy-weekend-669021679#josh-duboffjulie-miller-joanna-robinson-and-mike-hogan-attends-the-picture-id607345276

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947204)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 8:27 AM
Author: Diverse trump supporter center

not sure link works - every time I click I get a picture of Rowan Blanchard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947327)



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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Ruddy locale degenerate

and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership and the consequences of doubting their leadership

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832209&forum_id=2#34947642)