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CA homeowner mo here - tax bill going up by $13k+ next year on same income
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: Balding location roughly make $500k/year. for 2017, i pay $44k in CA state income tax and $15k of property taxes (on a $1.5mil home) that i can deduct from my gross federal income. AMT adds $12k back to my tax bill.
next year my deductions go from $59k to the cap of $10k. so i lose $49k in deductions. the $12k i make back by doing away with the AMT plus the lower marginal tax rates don't come anywhere close to making up the difference. out of pocket calculates out to ~$13k higher federal tax bill. that's severe. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: Diverse Bonkers Brunch What are your results on taxplancalculator.com? I’m seeing a few thousands in savings for you, assuming your married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946748) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:05 AM Author: mind-boggling ticket booth MAGA! Pay your share lib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946850) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:59 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Plaza Ratface Well, that would eliminate my income and therefore my tax liability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946715) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: Cracking confused university So problem solved (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946752) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Plaza Ratface ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949105) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:59 AM Author: Balding location but then i lose the mortgage interest deduction that's grandfathered in on my $1.5mil home. anywhere else i move would be a new mortgage with interest deductions capped at $750k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946716) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Odious cruel-hearted theater stage flame, the tax bill kept the 750k interest deduction on 2nd homes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946718) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Plaza Ratface Yeah but outside of NYC, DC, and Seattle metros you're not buying a $1.5M home outside of CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946721) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:04 AM Author: Balding location you are if you move to franklin, tn and build something in the 6500-7500sq ft range, and why wouldn't you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946744) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:03 AM Author: rambunctious shrine toaster then he couldnt screw rentmos by profiting from prop 13 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946731) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: Balding location i can still screw rentmos by moving and renting out my house for $6k/month. rentmos definitely won't be able to afford homes in cali with SALT capped at $10k. and not many people holding existing homes will want to sell or move so rental stock will be low and command a premium. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946763) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:09 AM Author: Cracking confused university Good. Just don’t move to Texas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946771) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Plaza Ratface Similar ballpark here. Sticking my fingers in my ears for the time being, but fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946706) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Odious cruel-hearted theater stage pumo living in CA = shitlib
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Silver Bipolar Home 180. time to pay your share. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946711) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:38 AM Author: Balding location our share of what? we're less of a drain on federal resources per capita than most states in the southeast even factoring in the SALT "subsidy", and our state social services mean those destitute folks aren't the federal goveenment's charge nor other states' problem since it keeps all the weirdos here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946812) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:44 AM Author: Razzmatazz heaven Yeah but Californians are also huge fags and our faggotry spreads all over the country and we need to pay for this externality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946819) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:34 AM Author: blue public bath kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34947097) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: light hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949355) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:00 AM Author: hairraiser wagecucks queen of the night is the per capita claim specious? is it really welfare per person or are we talking about welfare per non-illegals, but illegals get it or are we talking about roads and infrastructure per person so montana looks like it's a drain, but that's not really a fair metric?
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:14 PM Author: Silver Bipolar Home I'm not comparing states. I'm comparing taxpayers. You don't have to pay federal taxes that other high earners elsewhere do because of your high local taxes. But your high local taxes don't benefit those in other states who don't get that deduction. If you want lower local taxes then vote for lower local taxes or move.
Plus I don't even think the states thing is correct anyway putting aside it's a stupid comparison and trotted out as a way for poors in lib states to feel superior. There was a big study on this.
You also shouldn't get subsidized because you are a home owner. Pay your fair share. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Low-t Flatulent Temple Background Story your tax bill is still too fucking low (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946719) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:01 AM Author: Odious cruel-hearted theater stage as a pumo CA shitlib anything less than 100% income confiscation is too low (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946723) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:35 AM Author: erotic turquoise telephone Why don't you morons kill Prop 13 and make the olds pay their fair share. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34946810) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: grizzly national just opposite, we might pass something that lets boomers take their low prop tax to a new property entirely LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949118) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:39 AM Author: glittery internal respiration i'm having a hard time feeling bad for you when your income is $500K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34947103) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 6:47 AM Author: angry mental disorder prole You and your ilk keep voting shitlibs into office, raising your taxes to give the money to illegals, public unions, and "progressive" corporations. So it's all worth it, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34947115) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: Silver Bipolar Home And then complain that they can no longer deduct it all in their federal taxes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949705) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 8:37 AM Author: zombie-like histrionic tanning salon dopamine I’m also in a situation where I was expecting to get screwed badly — married, 3 kids, 380k HHI, $750k mortgage, 30k/year property taxes and ~20k state income tax. Last year paid $7500 in AMT, which means I got to deduct none of my property taxes and a good chunk of the state tax deduction was also excluded. Yet http://taxplancalculator.com says I’ll het around a $3k cut, NOT including AMT repeal, so savings should be around 10k.
If you’re losing 49k in deductions that’s 17.5k in taxes at 35%. So get rid of AMT and you’re only down 5k before lower marginal rates are considered. Granted, the rate cuts are a bit better for marriedmos (if your single) and you won’t get a child tax credit (if childless) to offset loss of your personal exemption. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 8:42 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle flushed institution ceo If you live in CA you should have ur taxes raised 50% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34947364) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: bateful twinkling field Are you sure? According to the calculator people are linking here, the hit from elimination of SALT shouldn’t be that bad once you figure in elimination of AMT under $1m, lower marginal brackets and $10k for property taxes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949065) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: grizzly national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949067) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:40 PM Author: Balding location yeah, that calculator is pretty favorable. i guess the lower marginal tax rates have a bigger impact than i was expecting. i should come out ahead.
not sure why all the dire predictions that this will kill the cali housing market. perhaps for those who weren't being hit by AMT previously and have homes in the $2mil+ range? |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:14 PM Author: blue public bath kitty probably bc it's politically expedient to claim that your opponent is threatening the most valuable asset held by many likely voters also bc realtors are self-interested leeches that make lawyers look benevolent and virtuous by comparison |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 1:53 PM Author: Contagious mustard orchestra pit i'm very relieved and happy after using that tax calculator . I hope it's accurate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949515) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Excitant faggotry I thought this was gonna cost me like $15k/year but the calculator says it's gonna save me $5-10k. Wish there was another calculator to compare results.
Obviously, a $20k swing is massive for me. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: Effete Navy Principal's Office Roast Beef Man you make 500k. Stfu and pay whatever the government needs you to. jfc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949604) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Galvanic brindle tank resort Remember when Libs we're crowing about how paying taxes is patriotic and now they're completely ass blasted that their taxes won't be subsidized anymore by the rest of us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949638) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:15 PM Author: blue public bath kitty tbf this makes u sound surprised that libs don't want to do something patriotic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949698) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Balding location so many poasters triggered itt thinking OP must be shitlib. Cali is where the jerbs are regardless of political persuasion. dude's just trying to earn a living and own a home and shouldn't be blasted by taxes at his income bracket. we should reward success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3832715&forum_id=2#34949889) |
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