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So the NFL's game of the year boiled down to autistically debating a "catch"?
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:35 PM Author: Azure location lol at anyone who watches this crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949852) |
Date: December 18th, 2017 2:36 PM Author: silver fear-inspiring people who are hurt I’m over the replay bullshit. Mistakes will be made, people are human, move on and hope the next error is in your favor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949861) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: crystalline wonderful generalized bond center its not really a debate. the refs got the call on the field wrong. the only people who think otherwise are steeler fans and pats-haters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949871) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Azure location ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949905) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: Exciting lemon stage half-breed no they got it right. it's just a stupid rule (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949934) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:49 PM Author: crystalline wonderful generalized bond center its not a stupid rule. you have to make the catch. you can't lose it when you hit the ground if you don't yet have possession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949949) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Exciting lemon stage half-breed (Matt Damon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949967) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate If Smith-Shuster the play before, had run 10 yards further, and then fallen into the endzone in the same manner, and the ball had moved in the same manner
would it have been a catch? |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: crystalline wonderful generalized bond center i dont know which play youre referring to but if you run 10 yards will the ball you probably have possession, but it depends on whether youre bobbling it. but thats not what happened here. he caught it going to the ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950009) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate I legit don't know,
Is that the governing factor? The referee determining whether a player is balanced or not?
Either way, its a dumb rule, because clearly he had the ball in his possession, enough to lung and stretch it out. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: Azure location >> Either way, its a dumb rule, because clearly he had the ball in his possession, enough to lunge and stretch it out. <<
Speaking as a non-fan with no dog in this hunt, that video above intuitively seems like he caught the ball. Like, if you ask a child "did that guy catch the ball" they'd all say yes.
But of course whether it's a catch or not isn't the point. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: cocky purple athletic conference double fault This is absolutely retarded. Do you know anything about football? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950128) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:15 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate guess not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950205) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate Want to change your mind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324597) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: magical jewess better not go back and rewatch the end of the Pats-Texans game then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949989) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:06 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate How was he not going to the ground on that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324679) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate what counts as 'indisputable video evidence'? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34949962) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: crystalline wonderful generalized bond center something like this where you can clearly see the ball fall out of his hands once he hits the ground
https://mobile.twitter.com/leadingnfl/status/942549749609119744
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate just to be autistic...
if he's falling backward, the ball is on his chest, he hits the ground, the ball pops up, out of his possession, doesn't hit the ground, he re-catches
good catch right?
if he has the ball, in his possession the whole time, falls to the ground, ball touches the ground, clearly doesn't move, clearly maintains possession the whole time
still a good catch right? |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:10 PM Author: cocky purple athletic conference double fault Wut? What points are you trying to make here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950141) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:15 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate do you have to see the ball actually touching the grass when it moves? It obviously moves due to him falling, by the time you see it touching the grass, it appears to be back in 'dispute' as to whether he has control over it
I agree that physics renders this unlikely
but that seems like a standard that isn't uniformly applied to exactly how indisputable what you're looking at has to be |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate the reason I'm getting autistic with this, is that I've seen calls that seem to meet a different standard of what exactly you need to see
I think it usually happens around fumble calls, where the question is whether the knee was down
due to piles of bodies, you don't get an exact view of the knee, but the hip will move such that the knee not hitting the ground would defy physics,
yet the call goes as call on the field stands because video evidence is inconclusive
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I think I've seen similar situation when reviewing whether or not a punt was touched, the ball will move in a way that defies physics, but the video evidence will be determined as inconclusive |
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Date: December 25th, 2017 2:31 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate After the Benjamin score was overturned, many immediately blamed the NFL’s famously broken catch rule. But in a strange twist, the catch rule was not the problem here. The question here was whether both of Benjamin’s feet touched down in the end zone when he gained control of the ball. Having both feet down with possession is the purest definition of a catch, the one we all understood before things got extremely complicated.
The problem here was not with the rule, but with the way the NFL’s replay system operates. The on-field officials ruled that Benjamin got both feet down. Slow-motion replays raised the question of whether Benjamin’s second foot left the ground before he gained control, but there was no angle that definitively proved Benjamin didn’t have control when his foot left the ground.
The NFL is only supposed to overturn calls if there is “clear and obvious” video evidence that the on-field decision was wrong. If the video is inconclusive—or really, anything less than “clear and obvious”—the call on the field should stand. But between the Seferian-Jenkins overturn and this one, it’s now clear and obvious that the league’s replay office does not adhere to that standard.
The league’s replay system is meant to correct officiating errors by on-field officials. Instead, the league office is using challenges as an opportunity to freshly officiate the plays from New York. That takes a lot of agency away from the league’s referees. This is, of course, quite upsetting to officiating experts:
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Leagues are right to use instant replay to ensure accuracy. But when slow-motion, high-definition replays from a variety of angles don’t definitively tell us what happened on a play, there is no right or wrong answer. And in those cases, there won’t be a better solution than trusting the refs.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/12/24/16817224/week-16-winners-and-losers-replay-officials-butt-interception-browns |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:09 PM Author: fragrant vengeful international law enforcement agency lol at Pats fan alternate reality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324730) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: unhinged weed whacker the NFL is done, dude
if you're a heterosexual male still watching the NFL you are a very confused individual |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Azure location i haven't watched for 4+ years.
lol at grown men autistically raging on TV about this shit. |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: sadistic confused piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950049) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: Odious stain the "rules" of your "sport" are pretty fucking stupid when the only way to enforce them is through a super zoomed-in, slow motion and reversed, multi-angle replay in hd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950022) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: Azure location lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34950042) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: boyish mauve windowlicker laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34951036) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: comical burgundy stage french chef this is basically the dez catch all over again, no? it was a shit rule then and it's shit now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#34951017) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:02 PM Author: Chrome garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324602) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:02 PM Author: Sexy Coldplay Fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324606) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:02 PM Author: talented violet dilemma The whole season boiled down to that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324609) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:08 PM Author: histrionic vermilion telephone senate The Steelers would have been the #1 seed
Jags would have played the Pats in the divisional round
This sport is ridiculous |
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Date: March 1st, 2018 5:24 PM Author: Azure location cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35516351) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:08 PM Author: concupiscible rough-skinned selfie elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35324716) |
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Date: March 1st, 2018 5:24 PM Author: Azure location Lol, and then of course the Super Bowl had the same issue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35516349) |
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Date: March 1st, 2018 6:11 PM Author: haunting twinkling friendly grandma One of the announcers exaggerated the ambiguity of the call (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3833092&forum_id=2#35516606) |