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Israelites initially worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods

When El gave to the nations their inheritance, when he sepa...
Big balding nursing home half-breed
  01/11/18
That is not the way the Bible reads. It should say "ac...
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(Kike revisionist)
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Here’s the crux of the matter: verse 8 in most versions (inc...
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Scholarship
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Not anymore kikes!
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Jews have always been hypocritical and two faced
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That’s the most obvious message in the Bible.
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yeah anyone who has read the Old Testament can tell you that...
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Baruch attah adonai elohanu!
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Oh my Y-hw-h that demon God Ba'al is fucking my wife!
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The rise of the cult of EL, LORD OF HOSTS, King of the Gods,...
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Late Bronze Age collapse = Jews? Interesting...
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Henotheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism
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  02/15/19
no argument here
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Ben Shapiro tp: your response?
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The Deuteronomists were the priestly class who made national...
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Isn’t this automatically inferred in the first chapter...
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xo is full of catholics who havent actually read the bible
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Yeah it's called not being a bibliolator, try it sometime
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Not really. The Hebrew Bible itself was written as a kind of...
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tyft
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Are the Greek Gods (including Cronos) angels?
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It's completely baffling to me that we have built a global m...
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It's like when you have a big upgrade to an OS but you still...
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you can't point this out on xo or bort christians will call ...
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i think its inevitable people would converge on some form of...
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Does anyone deny this? This seems like common knowledge to m...
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initially?
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Things got even worse with rabbinical Judaism after God dest...
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did that stuff come in after the Temple's destruction, or wa...
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Child sacrifice most likely was to Yahweh too
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some scholars argue circumcision was the tradeoff for this i...
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Perhaps. IIRC the circumcision stuff was added to the actual...
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Date: January 11th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: Big balding nursing home half-breed

When El gave to the nations their inheritance,

when he separated humanity,

he fixed the boundaries of the peoples

according to the number of divine beings.

For Yahweh's portion is his people,

Jacob his allotted heritage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35137372)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:49 PM
Author: Citrine floppy antidepressant drug foreskin

That is not the way the Bible reads. It should say "according to the numbers of the children of Israel."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566863)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich

(Kike revisionist)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566866)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:57 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich

Here’s the crux of the matter: verse 8 in most versions (including the CJB) says that God divided the human race and assigned them the boundaries of their nations “according to the sons of Israel” or “according to Israel’s population” or something like that. The verse implies that God created the same number of nations (by definition these are gentile nations), as there were Israelites. And since tradition was that 70 Israelites went down to Egypt with Jacob, 70 is the number of nations that God created. Now obviously the account of Yehoveh creating the nations by dividing the human population into people groups in Genesis chapters 10 and 11 happened hundreds of years before Abraham (the first Hebrew) was born. So how can it be that God used the number of the sons of Israel to create the nations of the earth hundreds of years before Israel ever existed? It is this translation about the nations being created according to the number of Israelites that we find in the Masoretic Hebrew Texts. But in the Septuagint and in the Dead Sea Scrolls we find different explanations; in both of these translations it says le-mispar benei elohim, which means, “equal to the number of divine beings”.

So in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in the Septuagint we have God allotting the nations and setting the boundaries of man according to the number of divine beings, not the population of Israel. And while Yehoveh assigned those nations to the divine beings He also set Israel apart for Himself. Some Rabbis will say that a better translation is “equal to the number of the sons of God”. Most Jewish and Christian scholars currently acknowledge that at least during the era of Christ THIS indeed was the reading of Deuteronomy 32:8 as found in the Torah. And since the original Septuagint was written even 200 years before that, the mention of the nations being divided according to the number of divine beings was almost certainly the original wording.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566900)



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Date: March 9th, 2018 6:45 AM
Author: Citrine floppy antidepressant drug foreskin

Scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35567749)



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Date: March 10th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35576486)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 4:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41456989)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:09 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich

Not anymore kikes!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566602)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Motley sanctuary rigpig

Jews have always been hypocritical and two faced

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566611)



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Date: March 9th, 2018 9:56 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac azure church building headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35568381)



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Date: March 10th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Mildly autistic multi-colored whorehouse place of business

That’s the most obvious message in the Bible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35576495)



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Date: March 10th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35576575)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 11:51 AM
Author: Tantric cordovan pistol international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41455394)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 4:47 PM
Author: Silver stirring crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41457006)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41458829)



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Date: February 10th, 2021 11:46 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924523)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:46 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130801)



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Date: April 5th, 2023 9:16 AM
Author: 180 pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46146688)



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Date: April 5th, 2023 9:17 AM
Author: bateful saffron market feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46146695)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: cruel-hearted fishy resort

yeah anyone who has read the Old Testament can tell you that the ancient Israelites repeatedly fell into polytheism and were punished for it by the LORD OF HOSTS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566615)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: Motley sanctuary rigpig

Baruch attah adonai elohanu!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35566629)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 8:45 PM
Author: fighting lodge

Oh my Y-hw-h that demon God Ba'al is fucking my wife!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35680158)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 11:22 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41455258)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:40 AM
Author: Burgundy mind-boggling faggotry home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924809)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 5:43 AM
Author: sticky appetizing jap

The rise of the cult of EL, LORD OF HOSTS, King of the Gods, coincides with the cataclysmic changes brought about during the collapse of the 2nd millennia BC great empires

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925198)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 6:27 AM
Author: Stimulating Senate

Late Bronze Age collapse = Jews? Interesting...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41931041)



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Date: March 9th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Kink-friendly opaque affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35568378)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 8:36 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35680098)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: chartreuse really tough guy shitlib

Henotheism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#35680253)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 11:16 AM
Author: Big balding nursing home half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#37786700)



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Date: February 15th, 2019 11:17 AM
Author: lemon odious background story generalized bond

no argument here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#37786702)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 11:20 AM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41455254)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 11:23 AM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich

Ben Shapiro tp: your response?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41455262)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: Violet point

The Deuteronomists were the priestly class who made nationalism and monotheism in one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41456977)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 4:47 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

Isn’t this automatically inferred in the first chapter of genesis with the plural El-ohim?

Isn’t kaballistic rabbinic tradition that there was an original council of gods that Yahweh oversaw as the Superior Most High Demiurge?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41457003)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 4:49 PM
Author: Silver stirring crackhouse

xo is full of catholics who havent actually read the bible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41457017)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41458828)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41458832)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:42 AM
Author: gold racy azn fat ankles



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924825)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:54 AM
Author: Turquoise Locale Striped Hyena

Yeah it's called not being a bibliolator, try it sometime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924874)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 6:16 AM
Author: sticky appetizing jap

I'm pretty sure they excuse their ignorance by pointing to some papal garbage about how dangerous it is for proles to learn how to read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41931024)



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Date: September 2nd, 2022 12:52 AM
Author: orange tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#45108193)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:46 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130803)



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Date: April 4th, 2023 7:13 PM
Author: Big balding nursing home half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46144417)



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Date: February 10th, 2021 11:47 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924526)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:46 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130804)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:51 AM
Author: Onyx jet-lagged menage

Not really. The Hebrew Bible itself was written as a kind of polemic against polytheism—both the polytheism of surrounding nations and the polytheism practiced by other Israelites. So it wouldn’t make much sense if the authors were using Elohim in the plural sense.

GPT-4’s take:

The use of the plural form "Elohim" in Genesis 1 has been a subject of scholarly debate for centuries. While "Elohim" is indeed a plural noun in Hebrew, it is generally understood to refer to the single God of Israel when used in the context of the Hebrew Bible.

There are a few theories as to why the plural form is used:

Plural of Majesty: One common explanation is that the use of the plural "Elohim" is an example of the "plural of majesty" or "royal plural." This grammatical construction is found in various languages, including Hebrew, where a plural noun or pronoun is used to convey a sense of grandeur or importance for a single entity. In this interpretation, the use of "Elohim" is meant to emphasize the greatness and majesty of the one God being described.

Vestige of Polytheistic Origins: Another theory posits that the use of "Elohim" is a linguistic vestige of the polytheistic origins of the Israelite religion. According to this view, the early Israelite religion may have been polytheistic or henotheistic, and the use of "Elohim" reflects that earlier stage in the development of their religious beliefs. As the Israelites evolved towards monotheism, the term "Elohim" continued to be used but was reinterpreted to refer to a single God.

Grammatical Quirk: Some scholars suggest that the use of the plural "Elohim" is simply a grammatical quirk of the Hebrew language. In Hebrew, certain nouns that denote abstract concepts or entities with complex characteristics can be plural in form but singular in meaning. In this interpretation, the use of "Elohim" is a linguistic feature that does not imply multiple gods.

It is essential to note that despite the plural form, "Elohim" is typically used with singular verbs and adjectives in the Hebrew Bible when referring to the God of Israel. This grammatical agreement reinforces the understanding that "Elohim" is meant to convey a single deity in the context of Genesis 1 and other biblical passages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130807)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:52 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130808)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 10:30 PM
Author: Kink-friendly opaque affirmative action

Are the Greek Gods (including Cronos) angels?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41458862)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:05 AM
Author: awkward fuchsia stain

It's completely baffling to me that we have built a global monotheistic religion on top of a tribal polytheistic religion with a holy book that is full of stories about one tribe blundering their way towards Yahweh worship while getting fucked up by their enemies sometimes and crushing them other times.

Now billions of people believe that there was one God who made the whole world, but he set us up with all different languages and parochial Gods with false religions to punish us for some early mistakes that were made, then he chose one tribe and they did their thing for a few thousand years with some ups and downs. And then one semi-divine member of the tribe said never mind a bunch of what has been the law and religious practice, actually the whole world should follow this one God that formerly was only for a certain chosen people. Here is a bunch of new holy text, but please still refer to the old stuff, but only through a very specialized lens because the people who follow it in a slavish historical way are actually wrong about a bunch of important things, are no longer the chosen people, and in fact might collectively need to be lit on fire if they don't get in line with the new program.

And everyone just said - yeah, ok, that makes more sense than anything else on offer. How?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924626)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:11 AM
Author: histrionic national

It's like when you have a big upgrade to an OS but you still have to remain backward compatible with the old OS instead of just building an entirely new one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924649)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:13 AM
Author: exciting talking theater stage

you can't point this out on xo or bort christians will call you an autistic reddit neckbeard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924662)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:36 AM
Author: awkward fuchsia stain

Reddit is incredibly gay, but I probably am an autistic neckbeard.

I don't mind that Christians believe what they believe. I just find it genuinely surprising that in a competitive marketplace for religions, they were able to recruit billions of people into a thing that would have been much, much more plausible and easy to explain if you cut out a lot of the detail between "one god made the whole world and all the creatures in it" and "here's how you should worship that one god now that we've done some work to understand his approach and cleared up all the earlier confusion."

I realize that this is what most Christians do in practice, but then you open the OT and it's like holy fuck, what is all this stuff? This is the one thing that billions of people have adopted? Everyone was doing it wrong for thousands of years, but here's an exhaustive recounting of one group's ineffective and obsolete rituals, some inscrutable prophecies, and a bunch of ancient Middle Eastern history to help you get started on the right track?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924788)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 8:15 AM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925299)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 10:43 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

Now imagine having an IQ over 125 and being born into this worldview and being reassured of it by your family and community 24/7 lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925901)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:21 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924692)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:36 AM
Author: aromatic shrine

i think its inevitable people would converge on some form of monotheism once empires became complex and efficient enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924781)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:50 AM
Author: Burgundy mind-boggling faggotry home

A careful reading of the text shows that the God of Abraham has always been the God of the whole world, not just of one nation. One glaring example is Jonah, who is sent against his will to save his country's sworn enemies, the Assyrians at Nineveh. Also a number of prophecies about their religion eventually going out to the rest of the world, and about covenantal changes.

You make it sound like an ad hoc mess but it's all there in the text.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924855)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 10:28 AM
Author: awkward fuchsia stain

You mean the text where the oldest surviving versions were compiled either by Christians who did a lot of editing to reconcile with their vision, or Jews whose temple and nation had been destroyed, scattering their people around the world? How persuasive that the text has a vague sort of retroactive continuity!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925798)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 10:44 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925908)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:28 AM
Author: confused business firm black woman

Does anyone deny this? This seems like common knowledge to me and not something that anyone denies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924722)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:39 AM
Author: Silver stirring crackhouse

initially?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924802)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 12:59 AM
Author: Turquoise Locale Striped Hyena

Things got even worse with rabbinical Judaism after God destroyed their temple. There is the "shekhina" and all the kabbalah demon contact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41924886)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 2:03 AM
Author: Kink-friendly opaque affirmative action

did that stuff come in after the Temple's destruction, or was it beforehand and lost when the Temple fell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925027)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 3:44 AM
Author: Turquoise Locale Striped Hyena

It solidified in the rabbinic era. The works used today date from the Middle Ages but pull in teachings that pre-date the fall of the temple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925135)



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Date: February 11th, 2021 10:32 AM
Author: Gaped overrated national security agency bawdyhouse

"well the Jews in the OT did ____" is such a terrible argument

the OT is nothing but story after story of the Jews rejecting the right path and getting smacked back onto it, again and again and again, starting in Genesis 2 and then just working its way forward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#41925822)



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Date: September 2nd, 2022 12:54 AM
Author: lemon odious background story generalized bond

yahweh was initially a volcano god who received sacrifices from his supplicants, then he worked his way up in the hierarchy and took over completely and killed off the other gods...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#45108199)



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Date: September 2nd, 2022 12:55 AM
Author: lilac elastic band

Child sacrifice most likely was to Yahweh too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#45108200)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:38 AM
Author: Onyx jet-lagged menage

At some point the Yahwist priestly elite went against human sacrifice. The Torah is pretty clear that Yahweh despises it. The Abraham and Isaac story is written as a kind of polemic against human sacrifice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130778)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:47 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

some scholars argue circumcision was the tradeoff for this iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130806)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:56 AM
Author: Onyx jet-lagged menage

Perhaps. IIRC the circumcision stuff was added to the actual text way later, post exillic (“P source”).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130814)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 12:59 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford

what are some entry scholarship or experts to digest on these topics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130820)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 1:02 AM
Author: Onyx jet-lagged menage

I’ve been listening to a Yale lecture series by Christine Hale on YouTube that’s pretty good. She lists a bunch of great written sources. I’ll probably read this first

https://www.amazon.com/Who-Wrote-Bible-Richard-Friedman/dp/150119240X

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130829)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 1:18 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle white halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130848)



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Date: April 2nd, 2023 1:03 AM
Author: Onyx jet-lagged menage

Edit: Hayes not Hale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46130830)



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Date: April 5th, 2023 9:11 AM
Author: Beta fragrant sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856908&forum_id=2#46146669)