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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Startled Azn let’s grant that it has unlimited potential as the platform for a host of world changing applications. but let’s also assume that as technology improves over time, it will become cheaper to maintain the blockchain. especially if it switches to a proof of stake system.
there are no barriers to entry to becoming an eth miner, so it would be impossible for miners to charge a higher gas price than the cost of maintaining the blockchain, which itself we agree is going to come down a ton. and of course eth will be diluted over time as miners get more coins that subsidize more mining (and further reduces the gas price and thus the ethereum price).
you can point to demand for the various tokens built over ethereum’s platform, but those tokens again are going to converge to the marginal cost of mining.
please refute this logic and convince me ethereum has a bright future as a long term play |
Date: January 17th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Fluffy space *hits tutu pipe*
LOL SELLCUCK |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Startled Azn lmao not the answer i’m hoping for as a current bag holder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175086) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Fluffy space I'm just trying to give you an authentic answer as you would hear from 90% of crypto investors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175094) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: sapphire bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175344) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Histrionic Rehab Gay Wizard what if I told you that the value of ETH had little to do with its underlying utility but rather was based on animal spirits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175069) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Startled Azn that’s what i’m driving at. i want someone to prove otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175081) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:12 AM Author: balding famous landscape painting state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175097) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: laughsome ape What are we "investing" in?
Aren't these things protocols like TCPIP or HTML? Are they patented? What's the end game with ethereum vs. Bitcoin vs. NEO?
That's where I'm confused, I really don't even know what question to ask. |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Cracking Emerald Place Of Business shh don't startle the animal spirits u fool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175251) |
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Date: January 18th, 2018 3:58 AM Author: Crimson Vigorous Preventive Strike 1 fucking 80 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35181602) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Cracking Emerald Place Of Business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175245) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: milky school cafeteria kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175404) |
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Date: January 18th, 2018 2:33 AM Author: Maize arousing point volcanic crater I would agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35181542) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Fishy Trip Bawdyhouse Really Tough Guy there will only ever be 21 million btc, which is why its value must tend toward infinite over time. ljl at ethcucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175090) |
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Date: January 18th, 2018 2:33 AM Author: Maize arousing point volcanic crater *forks a fork's forked fork* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35181544) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: Startled Azn the counter argument i think has to focus on the value of eth based tokens, but the SEC says they’re securities so without a favorable new regulatory regime this argument isn’t that great imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175114) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Mauve free-loading native didn't someone say that holding ethereum for its value is like holding batteries in the beginning of electricity? they're useful, but at some point they will just be a commodity or low marginal cost (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175119) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Startled Azn never heard that but it makes a scary amount of sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175162) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Appetizing university Aren’t you the guy who was up mega bigly in crypto? I’m curious, what’s your emotional state right now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175124) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Startled Azn lmao i’ve been better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175127) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Frozen Dun Scourge Upon The Earth Governments will kill any non government approved blockchain currency. Once upon a time every bank minted its own money. ETH will go the same way as dollars minted by those banks. Blockchain currencies will be a thing -- blockchain rubles,yuans, dollars etc.... Bitcoin and ETH will be footnotes in the history books except that ETH based blockchains will probably endure as back end warehousing systems deep inside banks where they will replace old databases built on Cobol or Oracle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175194) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: Startled Azn every municipality in the country attempted to strangle uber in its crib on behalf of incumbent cab companies. regulatory capture typically happens because the beneficiaries and benefits of innovation are widely dispersed and people can’t learn info and politically mobilize in a cost effective way. social media changed that and uber is now a thing.
this is an hugely imperfect analogy so feel free to mock me. but maybe if enough people grow to support cryptos a democratic government may have trouble shutting them down. the upcoming south korea elections may be a test case |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: Mauve free-loading native watch this and you will understand why it's impossible to censor Bitcoin, unless you can censor the whole internet basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mUcpsbnhGE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175309) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: laughsome ape China does this. If a government made it illegal under the guise of being suspicious of money laundering, it would deter most people. Not good folks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175332) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: Apoplectic anal sandwich yeah if china ever tries to ban bitcoin it'll ruin bitcoin lol hope that never happens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175374) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Frozen Dun Scourge Upon The Earth Im sure after the Russian and Chinese governments shoot a few dudes everyone will just rush to own more bitcoin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175341) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Startled Azn the idea of authoritarian regimes oppressing their people into economic stagnation while the free world enjoys incredible technological innovation sounds awesome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175361) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Frozen Dun Scourge Upon The Earth China and Venezuela are like half the tards buying this shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175401) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:27 AM Author: supple prole puppy (guy who thinks ethereum tokens are meant to be used as currency) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175314) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Startled Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175321) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: laughsome ape Is it like owning a transmission line company in the unregulated power model? Eg) Power generating companies pay you to maintain the lines and transport the electricity? So its assumed that companies will pay you to own the ETH (a power line) and keep the network afloat?
I don't know question to ask there has to be a simple analogy. |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:24 AM Author: bearded toilet seat forum dapps are bullshit, smart contracts are bullshit. if they weren't then at least ONE useful and practical one would have materialized by now. that hasn't happened. all ETH will ever be used for is transferring value, like bitcoin. and it does that very well. but so can many other cryptos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175288) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: razzmatazz stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175342) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Exciting dull turdskin cuckold (Guy who thinks you can built a dapp in 2 days) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175403) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: bearded toilet seat forum ethereum has been around since 2014 homie, and most of the dapps you've been hearing about have been "in development" for nearly two years, all while making bank on token ICOs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175779) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: supple prole puppy dapps are shit right now because ethereum needs to scale to support them. its a bottleneck in the industry. fortunately it looks like ethereum will successfully scale in 2018. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175415) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: bearded toilet seat forum you're dreaming. of all the DAPP proposals, you don't need a blockchain for 99% of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175784) |
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Date: January 18th, 2018 8:20 AM Author: jet rigpig cuck Blockchain has applications in the insurance industry. I can't think of any others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35181910) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Startled Azn so the takeaway from this thread is that ethereum is going to exponentially tank over the next 5 years then. good talk guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175382) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Exciting dull turdskin cuckold Good thing it'll get to $5K in the next 5 years and it will mint hundreds of millionaires in the process! YNY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175409) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Startled Azn i wish!!! show your work tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175414) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Bisexual Candlestick Maker Can someone please refute the points made herein (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175434) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Startled Azn i think the consensus response is apparently “LMAO SELLCUCK HODL!!!”
i, for one, find this very reassuring |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Lemon pervert can't wait to blank bump this thread in 6 months when ethereum is at 5k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175721) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Startled Azn holy shit guys i’m not saying “lol eth is fucked.” i own a bunch of eth i’d love if it hit 5k
are you saying this will happen despite a massive spike in miners scrambling to churn out more eth to meet the public’s irrational demand for these coins? i just want to know why |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Lemon pervert (guy who thinks the crypto bubble is something that can be rationally analyzed) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175740) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Startled Azn what an unsatisfying answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35175749) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Lemon pervert https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch7en/conc7en/img/stages_bubble.png
ok i got you fam |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: white irate jew parlour You’re 100% right. It’s actually even worse than you say because GASPRICE is decoupled from yhe cost of ETH by design.
Over the medium term, utility coins head to zero, store of value coin (and here will only be one) goes up bigly.
http://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/john-pfeffer/An+Investor%27s+Take+on+Cryptoassets+v6.pdf |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Startled Azn yo that looks like a shitton of pages but really interesting.
isn’t it better if the price of gas is decoupled from eth though? then my coins can be worth whatever the market says even as the gas price goes down |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Startled Azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35176318) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: heady out-of-control shrine But I think there are 2 very good counterpoints regarding ETH's utility and pricing
1) WHEN MOON? 2) WE LAMBO
clear? |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Startled Azn Goddamnit. Fuck fuck fuck Ive held eth all this time and never bothered to really dig in till this morning. just gave you idiots the benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t such a fucking terrible investment proposition. Jesus Christ fuck fuck I’ve been conned by neckbeards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35176386) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Hairraiser business firm because you're thinking of this as an instrument of exchange as opposed to something more like a element within an investment portfolio. as time goes on, you can expect more of the latter to displace the priorities of the early adopters. how easy is it to convert something like a corporate bearer bond into something more tangible like food? it's a multi-step process where you have to convert the thing into an actual currency, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35177914) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Startled Azn Well I’m thinking of it as both an instrument of exchange (the currency with which one pays for gas and acquires tokens) and as an investment meant to appreciate over time. My point is that even if the ethereum flourishes with lots of incredible applications, it hardly follows that ethereum will be a better part of my portfolio. IF the price of gas goes down, and people only need tokens to pay for specific application related services (so not using it as a store of.value), the price of eth is going to drop even as it grows in popularity. If it doesn’t more miners are going to enter the market and bid down the gas price until it does
In the short run though, expect miners to buy up lots of eth in anticipation of a proof of stake system |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 6:50 PM Author: passionate amber spot ‘No barriers to entry...’
How is this true under either PoW or PoS? They both require substantial capital investments. |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 9:22 PM Author: Frozen Dun Scourge Upon The Earth .... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35180004) |
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Date: January 18th, 2018 4:05 AM Author: Crimson Vigorous Preventive Strike So trheres no point to building on top of ETH if you’re making a token? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862551&forum_id=2#35181616) |