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Does Glenn Greenwald Know More Than Robert Mueller? [NY Mag]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald...
curious kitchen striped hyena
  01/21/18
Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been exc...
Plum low-t resort
  01/21/18
PWNPWNPWN I used to be really good friends with Rachel Ma...
histrionic unholy space
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cruel-hearted charismatic bawdyhouse
  01/23/18
“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually...
frum pungent garrison sweet tailpipe
  01/23/18
thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you
Azure pit
  01/21/18
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heady azn
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Flesh provocative national
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Exciting honey-headed range dog poop
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mildly autistic hospital depressive
  01/21/18
“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising ag...
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
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galvanic crawly house police squad
  01/21/18
What’s the lie?
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
then you might be a pumo
poppy slap-happy degenerate church building
  01/21/18
it’s WLMAS
angry scarlet home goal in life
  01/21/18
Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russi...
Splenetic yellow state
  01/21/18
then you might be an acloholic bastard child
Comical step-uncle's house
  01/21/18
Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit li...
histrionic unholy space
  01/23/18
Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:...
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don ...
Exciting honey-headed range dog poop
  01/21/18
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heady azn
  01/21/18
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mildly autistic hospital depressive
  01/23/18
lol we've threaded extensively about this. U think u goi...
mildly autistic hospital depressive
  01/21/18
About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
WLMAS unhinged? Never
Alcoholic volcanic crater
  01/21/18
O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING
Flesh provocative national
  01/21/18
the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communica...
Iridescent hissy fit persian
  01/21/18
I think you’re talking about something else. But the point i...
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
what facts
Exciting honey-headed range dog poop
  01/21/18
Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact th...
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid ...
Exciting honey-headed range dog poop
  01/21/18
He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones...
Arousing Unhinged Boistinker Electric Furnace
  01/21/18
...
Infuriating federal marketing idea useless brakes
  01/21/18
she's no Alex Jones
poppy slap-happy degenerate church building
  01/21/18
Cr
Fragrant nibblets genital piercing
  01/21/18
I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her ...
Comical step-uncle's house
  01/21/18
Lol at all you former libs You all make me sick!
histrionic unholy space
  01/23/18
she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evang...
razzle-dazzle ivory gaping
  01/21/18
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contagious tan senate national security agency
  01/23/18
Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? I...
well-lubricated lodge
  01/21/18
NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who ...
Carnelian wonderful native
  01/21/18
why does the author of this article assume that Robert Muell...
Comical step-uncle's house
  01/21/18
these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need...
Flesh provocative national
  01/21/18
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histrionic unholy space
  01/23/18
like half of this thread
glittery legal warrant base
  01/23/18
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mildly autistic hospital depressive
  01/23/18
He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, b...
cheese-eating bonkers station
  01/21/18
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Plum low-t resort
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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: curious kitchen striped hyena

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald-russia-investigation.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203331)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: Plum low-t resort

Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been excommunicated from the liberal salons that celebrated him in the Snowden era; anybody who questions the Russia consensus, he says, “becomes a blasphemer. Becomes a heretic. I think that’s what they see me as.” Greenwald is no longer invited on MSNBC, and he’s portrayed in the Twitter fever swamp as a leading villain of the self-styled Resistance. “I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.” His view of the liberal online media is equally charitable. “Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says. “In general, they’re just churning out Democratic Party agitprop every single day of the most superficial type.” (Reached for comment, none of these people would respond to Greenwald.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203359)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 7:41 PM
Author: histrionic unholy space

PWNPWNPWN

I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35205483)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 5:14 AM
Author: cruel-hearted charismatic bawdyhouse



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:50 AM
Author: frum pungent garrison sweet tailpipe

“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says.

Absolutely Devastating. And it has the added benefit of being true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215730)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: Azure pit

thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203404)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: heady azn



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: Flesh provocative national



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Exciting honey-headed range dog poop



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: mildly autistic hospital depressive



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising against complacent elites, the Russia preoccupation can seem like an effort to ignore what Trump voters — and Sanders voters — were trying to say. Alternatively, if you believe Trump’s victory was a Russia-perpetrated fraud, normalcy is restored simply by removing him from office. Which, conveniently, is what many hope Mueller’s Russia probe will do.”

What if you believe it was a popular uprising and that Trump also happens to be compromised by Russia because he spent the last 15 years laundering money for Kremlin-connected oligarchs and criminals ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203432)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: galvanic crawly house police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203538)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

What’s the lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203547)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: poppy slap-happy degenerate church building

then you might be a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203576)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: angry scarlet home goal in life

it’s WLMAS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204231)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: Splenetic yellow state

Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russian plant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203582)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Comical step-uncle's house

then you might be an acloholic bastard child

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203883)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: histrionic unholy space

Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit like wlmas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215347)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:

there’s virtually no revelation in the Russia story that could get Greenwald to change his mind. Which means that while Scahill and other Intercept colleagues tend to evaluate each new revelation at face value, Greenwald focuses disproportionately on debunked or overblown Russia stories. Ever the lawyer, he curates evidence that suits his argument. More than a year ago, the Washington Post published an erroneous story alleging that Russia had hacked into a U.S. electrical grid in Vermont. Greenwald continues to bring this up. To him, it’s not just a random piece of bad reporting but a crucial exhibit in a case he’s building.

Which makes his lack of interest in a report the Intercept itself produced all the more curious. In June, it published an explosive story that Russia had attempted to infiltrate voter-registration systems days before the election by sending phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials.

...

Greenwald’s selective outrage has become habitual. In November, The Atlantic published Twitter correspondence from 2016 in which a WikiLeaks representative gave Donald Trump Jr. campaign advice.

Greenwald pooh-poohed the coordination, implying that Julian Assange was just playing his usual 4-D chess. Barrett Brown — a pro-transparency autodidact who served more than four years in federal prison for spreading hacked data and won a National Magazine Award for Intercept essays he wrote while incarcerated — was livid. “He doesn’t seem to be engaging on the actual revelations that keep coming out on Russia and Trump’s people,” Brown says. “My best guess is he’s just ignoring these things in favor of the less difficult argument that some people who are backing the Trump-Russia narrative are full of shit.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203507)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Exciting honey-headed range dog poop

huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don jr for a copy of his dads tax returns as proof of some large russian conspiracy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203531)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: heady azn



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: mildly autistic hospital depressive



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: mildly autistic hospital depressive

lol

we've threaded extensively about this. U think u going to get a W here, unhinged pumo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203536)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203541)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Alcoholic volcanic crater

WLMAS unhinged? Never

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203544)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: Flesh provocative national

O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203539)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Iridescent hissy fit persian

the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communications about wikileaks info occured when the info was already public

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203548)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

I think you’re talking about something else. But the point is that Greenwalds arguments are never honest, he simply ignores facts that get in the way of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203563)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Exciting honey-headed range dog poop

what facts



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203589)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact that the Russian lawyer who met with Trumps entire high command, and was accompanied by a handful of intelligence agents, was in town to attend a hearing in a money laundering case in the SDNY against her clients, a group of FSB thugs who did this ( https://m.imgur.com/2lSLFM1?r ) to a Russian lawyer for Sergei Magnitsky, a political prisoner who uncovered their crimes (and was killed in custody)?

Did Greenwald tweet about the fact that while meeting with the Trump campaigns entire high command--including his idiot son, his now indicted campaign manager, and his soon-to-be indicted son in law--this Russian FSB lawyer lobbied for the elimination of the Magnitzky Act, a great law that is reviled by Russia's kleptocratic leaders, who are drawn from the worst elements of the legacy Soviet security apparatus?

Did Greenwald write any lengthy screeds about the meeting on AF1 the day news of the Don Jr meeting broke? The one in which the compromised “president” crafted his idiot son's response, saying the meeting was about "adoptions," which revealed that it was actually about the Mangitzky Act?

Has Greenwald ever tweeted about the fact that Trumps national security adviser visited GRU headquarters, or that a campaign advisers energy issues met with literal SVR recruiters on multiple occasions over several years? Or about the email Trumps campaign manager sent to Putin lackey / oligarch Oleg Deripaska, offering private briefings about the presidential campaign?

Has Glenn ever mentioned the real estate conference in Moscow in which Don Jr said “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia" and that "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."? Has he ever retweeted the Reuters story about Trump Tower Panama being a huge money laundering vehicle for Russian criminals?

Has he ever expressed any interest about the $96 million sale of a Trump mansion to a Russian oligarch who bought that property at the height of the housing crash and paid 2x as much for it as Trump did at the height of the housing bubble? Ever retweet Palm Beach Post stories noting that the Russian oligarch did zero due diligence, never occupied the home and then razed it without setting foot in it? Ever retweet subsequent articles citing FAA records that showed that on multiple occasions during the campaign, the Russian oligarchs private jet randomly touched down in airports that Trump had just touched down in?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203689)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Exciting honey-headed range dog poop

oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid for by GPS Fusion and the Clinton campaign?

no dont understand why he doesnt obsess over those 'facts'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203852)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Arousing Unhinged Boistinker Electric Furnace

He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones at this time. I watched her Trump thing and it was insane Russia conspiracy mongering. Then I stumbled across her show last week and she was drawing equally insane dots between Trump and Kazahkhstan or some other hellhole. It reminded me of Glenn Beck when he had the chalkboard and went insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203564)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: Infuriating federal marketing idea useless brakes



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: poppy slap-happy degenerate church building

she's no Alex Jones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203593)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: Fragrant nibblets genital piercing

Cr

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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Comical step-uncle's house

I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her decline into full-blown mental illness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203922)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: histrionic unholy space

Lol at all you former libs

You all make me sick!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215352)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ivory gaping

she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evangelical radio preachers who just go on and on and on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203986)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 3:58 AM
Author: contagious tan senate national security agency



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: well-lubricated lodge

Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? Is this really an article of faith among the wannabe Hamptons set?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203621)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: Carnelian wonderful native

NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who (correctly) believe that Trump is a compromised Russian stooge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203764)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Comical step-uncle's house

why does the author of this article assume that Robert Mueller knows anything? it's a far safer assumption that anything Mueller knows that's damaging to Trump was leaked to the msm the instant it was found

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203898)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Flesh provocative national

these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need to believe this nonsense. just read any unhinged wlmas rant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203931)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: histrionic unholy space



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:00 AM
Author: glittery legal warrant base

like half of this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215697)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: mildly autistic hospital depressive



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: cheese-eating bonkers station

He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, but I think we can all agree with this take on Klein/Yglesias. There was a brief period in the 2000s where they sort of tried and they were young enough to think that they might develop into good thinkers/writers. Oh well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204175)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Plum low-t resort



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 12:59 AM
Author: histrionic unholy space



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