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NLRB says Google engineer memo was "so harmful, discriminatory, and disruptive

that it was ok to fire him https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap
  02/17/18
sounds like TRUMP needs to drain the NLRB swamp
Floppy crusty center
  02/17/18
he's put people on the NLRB who have already rolled back a l...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
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primrose galvanic parlour
  02/17/18
cr NLRB is going to come out in favor of employers bigly in ...
Narrow-minded point
  02/17/18
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primrose galvanic parlour
  02/17/18
good scolarship
silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap
  02/17/18
ty brother
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
They MAY have consulted with a labor lawyer? LOL by that yo...
razzle yellow temple
  02/17/18
You’d be surprised how often companies fail to seek advice f...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
This was a national story. They didn't fire him naked withou...
Pontificating disrespectful dopamine
  02/17/18
I have no doubt they have competent employment attorneys in ...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
of course they got competent labor advice. it's literally th...
silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap
  02/17/18
he's drawing a distinction between labor lawyers and employm...
Narrow-minded point
  02/19/18
the shitty article doesn't specify what the actual actionabl...
vivacious opaque national
  02/17/18
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Tripping chrome garrison candlestick maker
  02/17/18
in what way was it harmful outside of being disruptive?
primrose galvanic parlour
  02/17/18
Libs equate speech they don't like as violent and harmful, a...
Dashing aquamarine bawdyhouse
  02/17/18
this decision wasn't made by a lib, it was made by a trump a...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
Fuck this shit
Tripping chrome garrison candlestick maker
  02/17/18
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Floppy crusty center
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Useless Boltzmann
  02/19/18
the speech was "so harmful" = unadulterated shitli...
Dashing aquamarine bawdyhouse
  02/17/18
Whereas the statements from other Google employees were ok.
glittery bat-shit-crazy national security agency
  02/17/18
it's no use friend
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180 decision to replace Christianity with "diversity&qu...
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navy deer antler locus
  02/17/18
More like Corporatism:Diversity christianity:virgin birth
Razzle-dazzle pink international law enforcement agency crotch
  02/19/18
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Useless Boltzmann
  02/19/18
i assume this is apoealable to a real court?
at-the-ready meetinghouse persian
  02/17/18
No appeal. It’s the equivalent of prosecutorial discretion o...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
is this finding given deference in the civil suit in state c...
excitant roast beef newt
  02/17/18
No, but the legal issues are 100% different there
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18
ty
excitant roast beef newt
  02/17/18
Facts are harmful and disruptive
Disturbing Electric Furnace
  02/17/18
Serious question from a non-lawyer who knows zero about thes...
Thriller violent university
  02/17/18
Doesn’t matter one way or another. The only thing the NLRA p...
cream bull headed love of her life location
  02/17/18


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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:04 AM
Author: silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap

that it was ok to fire him

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/google-firing-of-damore-was-legal-u-s-labor-panel-lawyer-said

Google’s firing of an engineer over his controversial memo criticizing its diversity policies and “politically correct monoculture” didn’t violate U.S. labor law, a federal agency lawyer concluded.

Statements in James Damore’s 3,000-word memo “regarding biological differences between the sexes were so harmful, discriminatory, and disruptive” that they fell outside protections for collective action in the workplace, an associate general counsel for the National Labor Relations Board wrote in a six-page memo disclosed Thursday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424059)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Floppy crusty center

sounds like TRUMP needs to drain the NLRB swamp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424068)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:12 AM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

he's put people on the NLRB who have already rolled back a lot of Obama NLRB precedent in just a few months.

in fact, this decision came from the NLRB's current general counsel, who has openly declared that he wants to roll back nearly everything the NLRB has done since 2009.

from what i have read, when they terminated him google was careful to rely ONLY on portions of the memo that were incendiary and arguably could constitute sex discrimination/harassment. they may have consulted with a labor lawyer before firing the guy (or they got lucky in not citing other portions of the memo).

if correct, this is not a controversial decision. the NLRA only protects concerted activity regarding "protected" subjects (pay, working conditions, etc.) if google truly only relied on shit like "WOMEN ARE BAD AT SCIENCE!" in the memo, the NLRA shouldn't protect statements like that anyway. (if you disagree, then you are in agreement, in principle, with the shitlibs Obama packed the NLRB with, who wanted to extend NLRA protection to almost any conduct no matter how tenuously related to working conditions affecting employees as a group.)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424089)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: primrose galvanic parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424094)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Narrow-minded point

cr NLRB is going to come out in favor of employers bigly in the next couple years, and this is the opening salvo. Libs laughing & high-fiving about this memo don't realize it's a Trojan horse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424103)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: primrose galvanic parlour



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap

good scolarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424161)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

ty brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425303)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:19 PM
Author: razzle yellow temple

They MAY have consulted with a labor lawyer? LOL by that you mean their chief employment litigation attorney - who probably is an expert in his/her own right - consulted with whoever the best labor lawyer in the country is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425318)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

You’d be surprised how often companies fail to seek advice from someone who knows labor law. Even prominent employment attorneys often know dick about labor law, not even enough to spot the potential NLRA issue here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425716)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Pontificating disrespectful dopamine

This was a national story. They didn't fire him naked without any advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425755)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

I have no doubt they have competent employment attorneys in house and/or consulted with an outside employment lawyer, but you can’t take for granted that they sought out or received competent labor advice.

Unless the memo was national news before he was fired and the stories were discussing the NLRA protections present in the memo, which I think is unlikely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35426057)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 8:08 PM
Author: silver crackhouse mad-dog skullcap

of course they got competent labor advice. it's literally the 2nd most valuable in the world that employs tens of thousands of people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35427609)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: Narrow-minded point

he's drawing a distinction between labor lawyers and employment lawyers. Normies don't even realize there's a difference but labor lawyers think they have some special insight into the arcane workings of the Act (got to call it "the Act" btw that's how they know you're "in") that mere employment lawyers could never hope to grasp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35435816)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: vivacious opaque national

the shitty article doesn't specify what the actual actionable statements were. does the decision?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425701)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Tripping chrome garrison candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425660)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: primrose galvanic parlour

in what way was it harmful outside of being disruptive?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424070)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Dashing aquamarine bawdyhouse

Libs equate speech they don't like as violent and harmful, and therefore reason it is not protected.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424076)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

this decision wasn't made by a lib, it was made by a trump appointee who has declared outright war on all the shitlib Obama-era policies issued over the last 10 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424144)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: Tripping chrome garrison candlestick maker

Fuck this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425668)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: Floppy crusty center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425681)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Useless Boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35435862)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Dashing aquamarine bawdyhouse

the speech was "so harmful" = unadulterated shitlib in the NLRB

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424073)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: glittery bat-shit-crazy national security agency

Whereas the statements from other Google employees were ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424081)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:19 PM
Author: mahogany toaster theatre

it's no use friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425322)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Confused vigorous space

180 decision to replace Christianity with "diversity" as the moral/religious foundation of society. seems to be working out great so far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424106)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: primrose galvanic parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35424108)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: light hateful nowag digit ratio



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:18 AM
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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: Garnet Cruel-hearted Friendly Grandma Yarmulke



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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:19 AM
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Date: February 17th, 2018 11:25 AM
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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:16 PM
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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: ultramarine patrolman site



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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: exciting chad pozpig



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Date: February 17th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Thriller violent university



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Date: February 17th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Electric trailer park brethren



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Date: February 17th, 2018 8:20 PM
Author: navy deer antler locus



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle pink international law enforcement agency crotch

More like

Corporatism:Diversity christianity:virgin birth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35435850)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Useless Boltzmann



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: at-the-ready meetinghouse persian

i assume this is apoealable to a real court?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425719)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

No appeal. It’s the equivalent of prosecutorial discretion on the part of the nlrb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35426079)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: excitant roast beef newt

is this finding given deference in the civil suit in state court?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35426176)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:57 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

No, but the legal issues are 100% different there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35426340)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: excitant roast beef newt

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35426410)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:38 PM
Author: Disturbing Electric Furnace

Facts are harmful and disruptive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35425826)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 6:58 PM
Author: Thriller violent university

Serious question from a non-lawyer who knows zero about these issue.

Is the truth of the statement any kind of defense / work in his favor in any way? Or does that not matter at all b/c you could still be extremely disruptive with the truth...

The word "discriminatory" in that sentence though bugs me b/c for some reason it makes it seem like discriminatory implies untruth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35427137)



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Date: February 17th, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: cream bull headed love of her life location

Doesn’t matter one way or another. The only thing the NLRA protects is concerted activity aimed at improving the workplace. The NLRB’s prosecutor found that he was terminated only for statements in the memo that had nothing to do with subjects protected by the NLRA so the case was dismissed. The agency did acknowledge that there were protected statements in the memo but google didn’t mention any of that content as the reason he was fired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895770&forum_id=2#35427302)