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Here are a couple poems i wrote in 1995. lol i found them cleaning up.

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insane arrogant school
  02/18/18
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Useless Irradiated Therapy
  02/18/18
i am embarrassed having read it
Rough-skinned Hairraiser Shrine
  02/18/18
you were like 27 back then.
Hideous Saffron Telephone
  02/18/18
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Sickened trump supporter
  02/18/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/18/18
you'd be a black great grandfather by now.
Hideous Saffron Telephone
  02/18/18
cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lif...
insane arrogant school
  02/18/18
It's word for water is diminishment
Swashbuckling sanctuary haunted graveyard
  02/18/18
I remember i really liked that line. something like that was...
insane arrogant school
  02/18/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/18/18
This one is the best. The first one would be good if it star...
Vigorous Abnormal Box Office Sweet Tailpipe
  02/19/18
haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at...
insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
I like this one
unholy chrome nursing home
  02/19/18
Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a ...
Brilliant seedy twinkling uncleanness
  02/19/18
Yep, lawyer now. I know--its funny that you say that abo...
insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you...
Vigorous Abnormal Box Office Sweet Tailpipe
  02/19/18
lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I w...
insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
lol that’s actually pretty good
Bearded Pungent Pit Rigor
  02/19/18
i like this one
alcoholic gas station people who are hurt
  02/19/18
The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury...
wild razzmatazz stead psychic
  02/28/18
Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, f...
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
okay that one was fine
bipolar house
  03/02/18
this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.
Burgundy degenerate
  04/24/18
I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I wi...
insane arrogant school
  04/24/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
beautiful. thanks for sharing.
turquoise alcoholic property
  02/19/18
tyty Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my l...
insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
Great writing for a small child!
Buff piazza kitty cat
  02/19/18
I know, rite!
insane arrogant school
  02/19/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/20/18
Wily niggers indeed
wild razzmatazz stead psychic
  02/28/18
180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/20/18
You published them?
bipolar house
  03/02/18
yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.
insane arrogant school
  03/02/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/20/18
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insane arrogant school
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insane arrogant school
  02/27/18
is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or g...
Razzle Spot Philosopher-king
  02/28/18
I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up wit...
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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ultramarine hell messiness
  02/28/18
i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the ti...
Thriller lime chapel
  02/28/18
Yeah, same here.
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally
Aggressive indian lodge ceo
  02/28/18
Time well spent...
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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racy heaven
  02/28/18
Literally shuddered reading these
Exciting cocky friendly grandma deer antler
  02/28/18
Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writ...
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string...
Shimmering floppy dysfunction patrolman
  02/28/18
Thanks man!
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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racy heaven
  02/28/18
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Aggressive indian lodge ceo
  02/28/18
cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.
Violet church
  02/28/18
This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.
Passionate Peach Library
  02/28/18
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insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics
Territorial selfie french chef
  02/28/18
When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesom...
insane arrogant school
  02/28/18
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insane arrogant school
  03/01/18
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2...
insane arrogant school
  03/01/18
after a certain point humanities academics becomes less abou...
insane arrogant school
  03/02/18
It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at an...
bipolar house
  03/02/18
nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted ...
insane arrogant school
  03/02/18
140 IQ, folks
Underhanded associate
  03/02/18
You should use more pronouns.
bipolar house
  03/02/18
Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" ki...
insane arrogant school
  03/02/18
100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.
aquamarine trust fund step-uncle's house
  03/02/18
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bipolar house
  03/03/18
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insane arrogant school
  03/03/18
GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS
bipolar house
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insane arrogant school
  03/03/18
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insane arrogant school
  03/03/18
Ah, poesy!
Scarlet indirect expression
  03/03/18
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insane arrogant school
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insane arrogant school
  03/20/18
abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a l...
insane arrogant school
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insane arrogant school
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insane arrogant school
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insane arrogant school
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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Useless Irradiated Therapy



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Hairraiser Shrine

i am embarrassed having read it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430825)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Hideous Saffron Telephone

you were like 27 back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430826)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Sickened trump supporter



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

22

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430830)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: Hideous Saffron Telephone

you'd be a black great grandfather by now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430836)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lifespan. Gotta cut that shit out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430852)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Swashbuckling sanctuary haunted graveyard

It's word for water is diminishment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430866)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

I remember i really liked that line. something like that was a logical conclusion for the idea that rocks get broken up over time. So what would happen to the key inside. lol at me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430887)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Vigorous Abnormal Box Office Sweet Tailpipe

This one is the best. The first one would be good if it started with the word "Olympian"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435803)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435811)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: unholy chrome nursing home

I like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435810)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Brilliant seedy twinkling uncleanness

Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a little too kitschy.

And now you're a shitlawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435821)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Yep, lawyer now.

I know--its funny that you say that about this one. Bros who aren't "into" poems generally like this one--which I wrote like I was doing a crossword puzzle, counting out syllables only. It also has some humor, which some of my poems of the time lacked. This was one of my earliest efforts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435837)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Vigorous Abnormal Box Office Sweet Tailpipe

Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you were 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435851)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I was drawn to the discipline or puzzle aspect of it so I figured I would try something I thought would be easy. easier than a sonnet at least. Although even w sonnets, the more you practice, the better you get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435865)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Bearded Pungent Pit Rigor

lol that’s actually pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435839)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:56 AM
Author: alcoholic gas station people who are hurt

i like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435917)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:30 AM
Author: wild razzmatazz stead psychic

The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury's out on whether the reason it's 180 are unintentional)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504291)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, fortuitous meteor, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504634)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: bipolar house

okay that one was fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519367)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Burgundy degenerate

this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35910657)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35911064)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: turquoise alcoholic property

beautiful. thanks for sharing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435828)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

tyty

Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my late 20s. I'll keep them in this thread so as not to annoy the fuck out of people who don't care.

I wont put up any I actually published, for fear of getting outted by some doobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435842)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: Buff piazza kitty cat

Great writing for a small child!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435848)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

I know, rite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435866)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:32 AM
Author: wild razzmatazz stead psychic

Wily niggers indeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504292)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504598)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: bipolar house

You published them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519363)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519382)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 26th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35497325)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:51 AM
Author: Razzle Spot Philosopher-king

is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or grants or prizes and so on?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504306)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up with universities as teachers, or the spouse makes the money, or there's a trust fund, or some combination of all three. There's usually $5K here and there in prize money those guys occasionally pick up every couple of years. Def not something you can raise a family on though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504729)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: ultramarine hell messiness



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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:33 AM
Author: Thriller lime chapel

i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the time.

this is no exception.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504320)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Yeah, same here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504548)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: Aggressive indian lodge ceo

man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504559)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Time well spent...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504601)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: racy heaven



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: Exciting cocky friendly grandma deer antler

Literally shuddered reading these

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504605)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writing poetry is WAY worse. Not praising myself, just keeping it real. Go to any open mic night. Holy fuck. Bunch of retards. Same goes for most schools lit mags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504667)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Shimmering floppy dysfunction patrolman

Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string together a few coherent sentences. These are really good for an amateur writer. Great command of language, nice imagery, fun rhythm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504698)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Thanks man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504714)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: racy heaven



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Aggressive indian lodge ceo



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: Violet church

cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509625)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Passionate Peach Library

This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509649)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Territorial selfie french chef

Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509651)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:07 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesome poet and i wrote out the lyrics to john lennon's images of broken light song and passed it to him and he read it and nodded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509707)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516814)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 7:02 PM
Author: insane arrogant school

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516854)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

after a certain point humanities academics becomes less about how much you know or how talented you are and more about how gay-sexy you can be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519351)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: bipolar house

It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at anything colossal"

Way to turn text into subtext, spaceporn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519400)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted to be clear what the poem was about, notwitstanding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519413)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: Underhanded associate

140 IQ, folks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519355)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: bipolar house

You should use more pronouns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519358)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" kick for a long time. I don't know--it just had that "talking to myself" quality that I liked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519369)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: aquamarine trust fund step-uncle's house

100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519645)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: bipolar house



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526545)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: bipolar house

GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526551)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:16 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: Scarlet indirect expression

Ah, poesy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526583)



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Date: March 5th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: insane arrogant school

abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a lazy bastard I was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643994)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: insane arrogant school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643971)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691483)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: insane arrogant school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691528)