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What is this flame? Ragnus what's your take?
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
Dude, some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after le...
idiotic lemon kitchen generalized bond
  02/19/18
getting engaged after 4 months w/o pregnancy seems like ment...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
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Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
An acquaintance of mine did this when both he and his gf wer...
idiotic lemon kitchen generalized bond
  02/19/18
"some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after le...
Dun Splenetic Garrison Bbw
  02/19/18
I proposed not even 6 months in. I knew I would like 3 month...
excitant crotch business firm
  02/19/18
LOL, you will get divorced within 15 years brother
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
you gotta wonder who would accept that quickly...she's over ...
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
I'm 36. She's 32. I don't know what dating a fuckton does. P...
excitant crotch business firm
  02/19/18
32? no wonder she accepted that early
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
the chemicals in your brain that make you feel in love dimin...
Opaque doobsian hairy legs public bath
  02/19/18
my parents divorced after 20 years together, still plenty of...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
That's less true after 30 when everyone is basically damaged...
excitant crotch business firm
  02/19/18
you guys havent experienced any hardships yet (kids, illness...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
dating for 6 months vs. 2 yrs doesnt tell you how the relati...
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
sort of does. passing through holidays and birthdays and mee...
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
cr, also the longer you date, the more chance for grandparen...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
i dunno dood, we lived together for 5 years before we got ma...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
I could retire next week if I really wanted to. She's a musi...
excitant crotch business firm
  02/19/18
ok, dood. hope it works out, just i know enough couples who ...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
...
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
agree completely.
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
"shits fine" except the part where she demands...
insanely creepy obsidian pisswyrm faggot firefighter
  02/19/18
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Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
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supple coldplay fan nowag
  02/22/18
She sounds like a Jewish American Princess btw...good luck w...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
aren't jews supposed to be good with money?
Brass bonkers parlour son of senegal
  02/19/18
not JAPs
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
We are more than comfortable. It's not as obscene as it soun...
excitant crotch business firm
  02/19/18
unless you're pulling 7 figures a year you probably should n...
Brass bonkers parlour son of senegal
  02/19/18
...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
The divorce will cost you 10 times that
smoky charismatic wrinkle
  02/19/18
...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
But the court will accept his willingness to spend 140k on a...
bipolar mother
  02/19/18
Statistically it barely makes a difference. Conceptually, it...
Jade factory reset button
  02/19/18
i think between yrs 1-2 is ideal. you need at least a year f...
Opaque doobsian hairy legs public bath
  02/19/18
"Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half ov...
Dun Splenetic Garrison Bbw
  02/19/18
Mods pls delete
supple coldplay fan nowag
  02/22/18
I would fucking love to get married within a year to a woman...
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
...
Soul-stirring bistre clown set
  02/19/18
It's true.
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
same. i've only met like one or two girls in my life who i a...
Soul-stirring bistre clown set
  02/19/18
Yes and now I am 36 and isolated from everyone. I have ruine...
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
36 is not that old for a male to be single also literally...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
Yes but I don't live in a city or anywhere near a city so th...
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
you’ve come to the right place
Bossy cobalt hall weed whacker
  02/19/18
TY
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
go to africa, bro. find an african hottie
Orange aphrodisiac degenerate
  02/22/18
it's credited. you should know within 4-6 months of serious ...
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
wrong, some bitches let the dirty demons out like 1-2 years ...
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
a lot of women change once they start getting old/fat and be...
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
better than asking her to marry before her visa expires.
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
unlikely. once you're living together, it's hard to hide dem...
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
i'm a habitual 2-5 yr dater. i usually ride out the bad for ...
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
with your string of failed relationships and fear of leavin...
Diverse heaven queen of the night
  02/19/18
...
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
they fail because i'm evolutionary.
Filthy Regret Tanning Salon
  02/19/18
the demons often only come out if there are hardships
Pale juggernaut
  02/19/18
I would take it further and say within two weeks. Within two...
indigo fantasy-prone office roommate
  02/19/18
cr, but it's prudent to wait 4-6 months to validate that.
Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat
  02/19/18
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4669104.stm Sex chemist...
passionate box office hissy fit
  02/19/18
keep talking shit about mormons
Frozen digit ratio
  02/19/18
got married within one year, sup
Diverse heaven queen of the night
  02/19/18
pretty cr most people didn't plan out marriage; it was ba...
Spectacular jet-lagged rehab
  02/19/18
lulzy thread
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  02/22/18


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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

What is this flame? Ragnus what's your take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439530)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:39 PM
Author: idiotic lemon kitchen generalized bond

Dude, some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after less than a year. Others get knocked up and have to marry before the belly is visible. Lol at things running smoothly for everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439586)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

getting engaged after 4 months w/o pregnancy seems like mental illness or something white women do when they hit 30

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439598)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:41 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439602)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: idiotic lemon kitchen generalized bond

An acquaintance of mine did this when both he and his gf were 24. They've been married for about a decade now and have 3 kids. They just knew I guess, that they wanted to be together. Both are good-looking and from wealthy families. The gf was not pregnant and didn't get pregnant until about 4 years into the marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440098)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Dun Splenetic Garrison Bbw

"some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after less than a year."

BYU students?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441014)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: excitant crotch business firm

I proposed not even 6 months in. I knew I would like 3 months in. She wants a crazy $140k wedding and that's the only reason we aren't already hitched. The hall we rented had like a 14 month waiting list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439618)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

LOL, you will get divorced within 15 years brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439622)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:44 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

you gotta wonder who would accept that quickly...she's over 25 and you're under 30. correct? i am d00bs, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439627)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: excitant crotch business firm

I'm 36. She's 32. I don't know what dating a fuckton does. People never reveal the real them until they move in anyway. She moved in. Shits fine. What would a year of dating have done for us? I still got 3 months to say "fuck this."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439656)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

32? no wonder she accepted that early

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439660)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Opaque doobsian hairy legs public bath

the chemicals in your brain that make you feel in love diminish about a year into dating. that's when you start noticing flaws in your partner you haven't noticed before and fighting, and the next year pretty much determines if you're going to maek it as a couple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439681)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

my parents divorced after 20 years together, still plenty of time to get divorced

the real test if when you have kids and experience life's challenges and hardships, not when everything is going smoothly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439685)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: excitant crotch business firm

That's less true after 30 when everyone is basically damaged goods. Neither of us is delusional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439694)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

you guys havent experienced any hardships yet (kids, illness, financial struggles, family deaths, etc). you have a long way to go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439698)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat

dating for 6 months vs. 2 yrs doesnt tell you how the relationship will handle hardships like kids and financial struggles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439712)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

sort of does. passing through holidays and birthdays and meeting more of her family and her letting the guard down more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439717)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

cr, also the longer you date, the more chance for grandparents to die, financial struggles, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439758)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

i dunno dood, we lived together for 5 years before we got married and went through financial struggles (unemployment for one party, student loans, living in one apt with 5 people), etc.

no kids yet though, but definitely the money struggles. don't think i could have known that only 6 months in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439722)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: excitant crotch business firm

I could retire next week if I really wanted to. She's a music teacher with basically guaranteed employment for life and her parents are pretty well off too. We will never have real money problems and she nowhere near as money hungry as my last girlfiriend. This one was a musician through her 20s so she's used to basically having nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439764)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

ok, dood. hope it works out, just i know enough couples who are divorced after years together and miserable olds who are still married to be so naive about marriage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439774)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439696)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat

agree completely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439701)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:04 PM
Author: insanely creepy obsidian pisswyrm faggot firefighter

"shits fine"

except the part where she demands a $140k wedding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439839)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439851)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:13 AM
Author: supple coldplay fan nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458853)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

She sounds like a Jewish American Princess btw...good luck with that. I guarantee within 15 years you will want to murder her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439645)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: Brass bonkers parlour son of senegal

aren't jews supposed to be good with money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439662)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:48 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

not JAPs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439675)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: excitant crotch business firm

We are more than comfortable. It's not as obscene as it sounds given ARE stations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439689)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Brass bonkers parlour son of senegal

unless you're pulling 7 figures a year you probably should not be spending that much for a wedding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439695)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439810)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: smoky charismatic wrinkle

The divorce will cost you 10 times that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439809)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439880)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:25 PM
Author: bipolar mother

But the court will accept his willingness to spend 140k on a wedding as evidence of his good faith in the marriage- and his alimony/child support payments will be vastly reduced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440009)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: Jade factory reset button

Statistically it barely makes a difference. Conceptually, it makes far more sense to get married within a year of meeting someone than the many couples I know who are in their 30s, have been together 5 years, and don't want to get married because they're "too young" or "figuring out their careers."

Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half over, and their fertile lives are 90% over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439647)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Opaque doobsian hairy legs public bath

i think between yrs 1-2 is ideal. you need at least a year for the brain chemistry to get back to normal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439697)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: Dun Splenetic Garrison Bbw

"Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half over"

In terms of subjective experience, it's easily more than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441030)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:14 AM
Author: supple coldplay fan nowag

Mods pls delete

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458863)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

I would fucking love to get married within a year to a woman.

I am so lonely and depressed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439651)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Soul-stirring bistre clown set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439690)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

It's true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439692)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Soul-stirring bistre clown set

same. i've only met like one or two girls in my life who i actually would've considered marrying. it's pretty rare to meet someone you want to marry and would want to marry you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439724)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

Yes and now I am 36 and isolated from everyone. I have ruined my life.

I don't understand it at all. I always see seemingly nice looking women with incredibly banal and boring men and they fawn over these men and would do anything for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439752)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

36 is not that old for a male to be single

also literally 85% of the people i know who got married are either divorced (even after 20 years of marriage) or miserably married. the other "supposedly happily" married couples - the man is a complete beta fucking cuck and listens to his wife 100% of the time

i have no delusions of grandeur about marriage despite being currently happily married

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439791)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:21 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

Yes but I don't live in a city or anywhere near a city so that assumption is that I am gay as a single 36 year old male.

I really just want to meet a woman I can love but I am fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439981)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Bossy cobalt hall weed whacker

you’ve come to the right place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439739)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

TY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439755)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:33 AM
Author: Orange aphrodisiac degenerate

go to africa, bro. find an african hottie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458918)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat

it's credited. you should know within 4-6 months of serious dating if you're going to marry her or not.

any dating beyond that isn't going to give you any more information. beyond 4-6 months, you're either dating bc you're insecure/codependent and just waiting for someone else to come along, or you know it's marriage track.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439693)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

wrong, some bitches let the dirty demons out like 1-2 years in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439702)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

a lot of women change once they start getting old/fat and become more and more bitter...just LJL @ the honeymoon period lasting forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439715)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

better than asking her to marry before her visa expires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439721)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat

unlikely. once you're living together, it's hard to hide demons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439720)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

i'm a habitual 2-5 yr dater. i usually ride out the bad for a year because i'm lazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439747)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Diverse heaven queen of the night

with your string of failed relationships and fear of leaving them, you're definitely an expert on women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440541)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440545)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Filthy Regret Tanning Salon

they fail because i'm evolutionary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441042)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Pale juggernaut

the demons often only come out if there are hardships

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439750)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: indigo fantasy-prone office roommate

I would take it further and say within two weeks. Within two weeks you will know if a girl is the one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439713)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Vigorous Topaz Crackhouse Kitty Cat

cr, but it's prudent to wait 4-6 months to validate that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439729)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: passionate box office hissy fit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4669104.stm

Sex chemistry 'lasts two years'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441913)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Frozen digit ratio

keep talking shit about mormons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440017)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:37 PM
Author: Diverse heaven queen of the night

got married within one year, sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440536)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: Spectacular jet-lagged rehab

pretty cr

most people didn't plan out marriage; it was basically who ever was the first girl you knocked up you married and made it work for the kids

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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:50 AM
Author: slate stirring sweet tailpipe meetinghouse

lulzy thread

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