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Didn't realize how Bush's No Child Left Behind destroyed public school forever.

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  02/19/18
He was easily the worst President America has ever had. Now...
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Our public schools were amazing and churning out millions of...
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Everyone on PR was from TJ is Va.
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I don't know how Bush fits in, but the rise of charter schoo...
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  02/19/18
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/07/21/wrong-answer ...
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No it's not It's cruel to force blacks to conform to white ...
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  02/19/18
Super credited If we were living in a world where the ave...
cracking cheese-eating chad
  02/20/18
Charter Schools are mostly $cams that savvy minorities have ...
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Meanwhile, professionals in Scottsdale are sending their kid...
slate dashing haunted graveyard menage
  02/19/18
So disapppointed you’re a charter school shill like Chait. X...
Magical box office
  02/19/18
My claims are descriptive, not normative.
slate dashing haunted graveyard menage
  02/19/18
What did it do? "Soft bigotry of low expectations"...
fluffy peach spot alpha
  02/19/18
Sold out to GC testing industry. Demoralized teachers and su...
Magical box office
  02/19/18
or it made teachers have to teach and the liberal shithead...
violet lettuce
  02/19/18
Standardized testing is good. The only way to judge fairly.
black tattoo state
  02/19/18
IQ determines fates so don’t stress children. (xo)
Magical box office
  02/19/18
That line is classic cuckservative. Shift blame to some b...
Lascivious at-the-ready institution
  02/19/18
That's based on the lie that race is a social construction. ...
cracking cheese-eating chad
  02/20/18
US education is fundamentally distorted because its #1 goal,...
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That’s not what NCLB is at all though. It’s a pure GC grift...
Titillating famous landscape painting
  02/19/18
The core of NCLB was the command that schools make progress ...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
  02/19/18
so you think schools should just give up?
pearl casino
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Hardly, but the emphasis on achievement gap closure warps pr...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
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  02/19/18
Any links to scholarship supporting your POV? Curious to lea...
odious twisted station
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If you search "detracking" you'll find all kinds o...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
  02/19/18
scaling back is stupid. i don't think that was any part of n...
violet lettuce
  02/19/18
Abolishing discipline wasn't specifically about NCLB but it ...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
  02/19/18
yeah, and the 80s is when shitlibs took over education. rela...
violet lettuce
  02/19/18
To be clear, I wasn't saying school discipline is racist; I ...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
  02/19/18
okay, but it reads as your opinion i like the idea of nclb ...
violet lettuce
  02/20/18
I agree. Frankly I think military-style discipline might be ...
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Nope that’s your reptard uniformed daddy fetish talking. No...
Titillating famous landscape painting
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Well then they should start rounding up those normal adults ...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
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That's top 20% parenting level stuff. I imagine most of your...
cracking cheese-eating chad
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you're a fucking dumbass. it does NOT read as chuck's opinio...
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"the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are ...
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It's not in the school's power to perform social alchemy. ...
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look at you with the white supremacy bullshit look at you d...
violet lettuce
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Lol at fanatic free market guy
Magical box office
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lol @ that shitlib line. The problem with NCLB wasn't that...
painfully honest godawful space
  02/19/18
so what do you think schools should do?
pearl casino
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Send low performing students on lower cost vocational school...
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Fear-inspiring carmine dragon
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The problems start way earlier than that, but sure. Let’s s...
Titillating famous landscape painting
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so just let everyone run buckwild until age 14
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impossible? bullshit difficult? sure
violet lettuce
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A certain percentage of the student population will be 75-90...
painfully honest godawful space
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The problem with NCLB is that it fucks all schools to facili...
Titillating famous landscape painting
  02/20/18
Yes.
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black tattoo state
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Jfc
stirring background story cumskin
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You would think the goal would be to maximize the life outco...
cracking cheese-eating chad
  02/20/18
It's the soft bigotry of low expectations, faggot
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US education system is actually pretty damn impressive. Whit...
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Given the children that are dumped into their classrooms eve...
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U.S. schools and test scores are as good as Finland and Taiw...
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fuck you blaming w for actually doing something right. poor...
violet lettuce
  02/19/18
U are, and have always been, a 120 poaster
stirring background story cumskin
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you, on the other hand, are well, extremely unmemorable or ...
violet lettuce
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(Michelle Rhee the cunty turbo-Asian poaster) First of al...
Titillating famous landscape painting
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NCLB and Common Core killed recess and fucked up PE. http...
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Brown v. Board of Ed.
Big crusty range philosopher-king
  02/19/18
NCLB was congressionally repealed by bush's own party in 201...
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  02/20/18
Race to the Top is the same thing with a new veneer.
Magical box office
  02/20/18
bush looked like such a goofball at the signing ceremony for...
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Race to the Top was a specific grant program from Obama's fi...
indecent racy bawdyhouse
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Love these Orwellian bill names.
Magical box office
  02/20/18
keep talking shit about the Uniting and Strengthening Americ...
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Ty
Magical box office
  02/20/18
It's associated with Bush for obvious reasons but it was pas...
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http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICANG14.pdf Testing ...
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why do you care about education? you're never going to have ...
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Magical box office



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: stirring background story cumskin

He was easily the worst President America has ever had. Now his minions are out in the media as "Republican" voices bashing Trump. Sick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441445)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:17 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:54 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: lime indian lodge kitty cat

PREACH

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:18 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:29 PM
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: cracking cheese-eating chad



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Infuriating Senate

Our public schools were amazing and churning out millions of scholars every year until GWB started that "No Child Left Behind" program and destroyed them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441461)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:20 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:22 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:40 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:46 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Magical box office

Everyone on PR was from TJ is Va.

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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: shimmering stimulating hairy legs



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:23 PM
Author: violet lettuce

nice

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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: slate dashing haunted graveyard menage

I don't know how Bush fits in, but the rise of charter schools has given conscientious and savvy MC and UMC parents another way to take a lead over the poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441507)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: Magical box office

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/07/21/wrong-answer

This is just soul crushing to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441533)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: spruce vigorous lay laser beams

No it's not

It's cruel to force blacks to conform to white intellectual society and then punish them when they inevitably fail.

They would be much happier roaming the plains of the serengeti

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441759)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:47 PM
Author: cracking cheese-eating chad

Super credited

If we were living in a world where the average IQ was 180, and we were being taught calculus in second grade, don't you think we would end up feeling very discouraged and pissed off? And then even more pissed off when all that work we did to try to figure out calculus did nothing for us economically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445420)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:51 PM
Author: spruce vigorous lay laser beams

Charter Schools are mostly $cams that savvy minorities have infiltrated to get big education $$$$ in exchange for babysitting kids in an "afrocentric learning environment" and shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441767)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: slate dashing haunted graveyard menage

Meanwhile, professionals in Scottsdale are sending their kids here https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/arizona/districts/basis-school-inc/basis-scottsdale-871

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: Magical box office

So disapppointed you’re a charter school shill like Chait. Xo endorses IQ determining your fate regardless of teachers. So they need welfare public salaries to fight GC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441878)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: slate dashing haunted graveyard menage

My claims are descriptive, not normative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442252)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: fluffy peach spot alpha

What did it do? "Soft bigotry of low expectations" is one of the goat lines of modern politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441529)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Magical box office

Sold out to GC testing industry. Demoralized teachers and sucked all fun out of learning for children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441697)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: violet lettuce

or

it made teachers have to teach and the liberal shitheads failed

miserably

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442027)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:32 PM
Author: black tattoo state

Standardized testing is good. The only way to judge fairly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442099)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: Magical box office

IQ determines fates so don’t stress children. (xo)

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: Lascivious at-the-ready institution

That line is classic cuckservative.

Shift blame to some boogeyman instead of doing the yeoman's work of deflating equality expectations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442047)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: cracking cheese-eating chad

That's based on the lie that race is a social construction. But if we can't unpack that lie, then we will continue to have consequences that don't match our expectations and not understand what on Earth is going on around us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445435)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

US education is fundamentally distorted because its #1 goal, above all else, is closing racial achievement gaps. Its #2 goal is closing any gender achievement gap where boys lead girls (but not the opposite). Most of the weird shit in schools makes more sense when you realize these are their goals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441754)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:53 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:56 PM
Author: Multi-colored dopamine hospital



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

That’s not what NCLB is at all though. It’s a pure GC grift operation to suck taxpayer funds out of the local school districts for Big Testco, and both Bush43 gang and the Arne Duncans are blatantly and proudly corrupt and working the grift as hard as they can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441835)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

The core of NCLB was the command that schools make progress toward universal proficiency, which was an achievement gap-focused venture. Later they tried to push Common Core which was the same idea; kids allegedly weren't learning because they weren't being held to the same standards as kids in nice schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441853)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: pearl casino

so you think schools should just give up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441879)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

Hardly, but the emphasis on achievement gap closure warps priorities. It discourages cultivation of the talented in favor of focusing on the weakest students, often to the detriment of nearly everybody else. Schools routinely scale back gifted programs, accelerated classes, etc while doing disastrous shit like effectively abolishing school discipline in various desperate efforts to make low-performing kids measure up. A lot of the deranged political stuff is also framed as a way to make material "relevant" for poor/minority kids and thereby close the achievement gap.

A more straightforward focus on getting the best achievement we can from everybody while promoting good discipline and citizenship would, imo, have better results in the long run. But the system may already be too toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441933)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: Cyan Exhilarant Ape Piazza

Titcr

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: odious twisted station

Any links to scholarship supporting your POV? Curious to learn more about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442056)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

If you search "detracking" you'll find all kinds of stuff about the need to avoid separating kids by ability. Complaints about scaled-back gifted programs (or overexpanded ones with essentially no entrance criteria) are pretty common too.

I don't have a lot of specific studies on hand; most of this is opinion I've formed from watching education closely for a long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442280)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: violet lettuce

scaling back is stupid. i don't think that was any part of nclb, was it? wasn't it just meeting basic standards? in other words, the top can be higher, but the bottom had to be raised?

same with abolishing discipline. i don't think that had anything to do with nclb.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442057)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

Abolishing discipline wasn't specifically about NCLB but it is rooted in the achievement gap, imo.

Basically, blacks made huge gains from Brown v Board up through about the early 80s, and since then the gap has been pretty consistent. The stagnation of progress has driven administrators nuts and they basically keep knocking down pillars of education in the name of finding the culprit for the stubbornly-remaining gap. They claim the curriculum is too racist or Eurocentric, the teachers are too white (actually tbh this one may have been accurate; kids learn better from their own race), and yes, school discipline is applied in a racist way and is causing minorities to fall behind. Sabotaging school discipline was justified as a way to stop alleged racism indiscipline from entrenching performance gaps.

Regarding scaling back: All the incentives were related to improving the bottom, so that is what most schools have prioritized and that's where the most resources go. At the extreme end you do see achievement gap motivated insanity; Berkeley High School nearly abolished AP science classes because they were too white and Asian. In general, there's a lot of enthusiasm for the idea that you can improve lower-performing kids by having them learning alongside high performers. There's something to that, but I don't think it's the best thing for the high achievers (certainly not when coupled with poor discipline).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442196)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:56 PM
Author: violet lettuce

yeah, and the 80s is when shitlibs took over education. relatively shit iq people can learn things like calculus if they are given the proper instruction and have the proper motivation

cue stand and deliver

i respect you as a poster, but i'm always skeptical when people say something like school discipline is applied in a racist way. it might appear to be racist because more minorities get disciplined, but i think that is generally because minority kids are more likely to be kids who deserve to be disciplined. again, it's not like schools are run by racist whites.

if the focus shifted to benefiting the bottom at the expense of the top, then people should have been screaming to get things about nclb changed. i'm not going to blame w for that. good ideas often need tweaking to deal with unforeseen or foreseen consequences.

i doubt lower performing kids benefit from learning aside high performance kids in most cases. the mismatch theory of law schools is demonstrated over and over and over



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442276)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

To be clear, I wasn't saying school discipline is racist; I was just listing it off as a claim that was made to justify radical shifts in education policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442287)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: violet lettuce

okay, but it reads as your opinion

i like the idea of nclb because it prevents schools from just giving up on the problem kids

giving up is the easy way out and the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are minorities, they are problem kids because they have shit parenting, shit friends, and do shit things. that makes giving up an understandable response. but, i don't think it is the appropriate, best response for the community, state, country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442327)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:07 AM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

I agree. Frankly I think military-style discipline might be the best/only solution for the worst areas, but it's pretty hard to make any progress if parents are totally useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442343)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:49 AM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

Nope that’s your reptard uniformed daddy fetish talking. Normal adults present in their lives 1 on 1 every day, acting decent to them, showing them some cool shit and holding down a job will do it for any kid that’s not being seriously Precious-level abused by their parents at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443029)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 3:01 AM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

Well then they should start rounding up those normal adults to act decent to them and show them cool shit because that's certainly not fucking happening in their schools right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443061)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: cracking cheese-eating chad

That's top 20% parenting level stuff. I imagine most of your peers didn't even have that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445917)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:21 AM
Author: Mischievous persian fortuitous meteor

you're a fucking dumbass. it does NOT read as chuck's opinion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442948)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: Flushed vibrant indirect expression stage

"the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are minorities"

This is dead fucking wrong. Evidence? look at African schools, Mexicans schools, etc.. and you will see that the problem closely correlates with race. An xo'er should know better than to peddle that shitlib science.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35444129)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:39 PM
Author: Lascivious at-the-ready institution

It's not in the school's power to perform social alchemy.

If the genes and family culture aren't there, the child will almost certainly struggle.

A lot of teachers know this and understand that they are babysitters while mom and sometimes dad works. They have already given up. NCLB upset this with unrealistic expectations.

There are billions of people who will never participate in the knowledge economy no matter how many resources are directed to them. Forget the three Rs, many many people simply lack executive abilities like being able to show up at a predetermined time consistently.

Unfortunately I don't think vo-tech is the answer either. Factories struggle to find qualified candidates.

We are going to work through the bolus of untrainable people for decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442169)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: violet lettuce

look at you with the white supremacy bullshit

look at you dragging teachers down to your level

the answer is not to give up, it's to give teachers the appropriate means to achieve the ends

and, unlike a lot of people who talk shit without backing it up, i can propose the means

1. you let schools/teachers implement many carrots for good performance at all levels

2 you let schools/teachers implement many sticks for bad performance at all levels. and i am talking about sticks that the shitlibs of education have taken away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442233)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Magical box office

Lol at fanatic free market guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442296)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: painfully honest godawful space

lol @ that shitlib line. The problem with NCLB wasn't that it made kids take tests, its that it was impossible to (significantly) improve overall test scores. Shitlibs can't admit that so they attack the idea of testing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441871)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: pearl casino

so what do you think schools should do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441887)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: odious twisted station

Send low performing students on lower cost vocational school tracks starting in 8th grade and put gifted high scoring kids into rigorous accelerated programs instead of slowing things down for everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442081)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: vengeful telephone ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442140)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:13 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring carmine dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443703)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

The problems start way earlier than that, but sure. Let’s start with year round school from 8-5. We have a school schedule/calendar that was designed for farmers in the 19th century. Have teachers work a full year and pay them for the extra time and it immediately becomes a prestige profession with entry level salaries at 70-80k and pushing/going over six figures once you’re a proven teacher with experience. To pay for it, fire like 75% of central office staff including all the redundant cirriculim specialists that exist in local school districts and make all of that a state level function. Even if we raise taxes a bit to pay for it, the savings to parents in not having to figure out child care for 2-3 hours M-Fri will offset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443771)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:02 AM
Author: motley halford

so just let everyone run buckwild until age 14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443953)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: violet lettuce

impossible? bullshit

difficult? sure



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442292)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: painfully honest godawful space

A certain percentage of the student population will be 75-90 IQ dullards. NCLB mandates that literally 100% of students must eventually meet some testing metric. So its either impossible metrics or meaningless metrics, take your pick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443667)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

The problem with NCLB is that it fucks all schools to facilitate testing the fuck out of ghetto blacks and browns and creating justification to close their shit schools and fire teachers and admins and strengthen the case for vouchers, but more than any of that it’s a path to loot the public treasury and create a symbiosis between Testco and cuck and neolib politicians. A thinking trumpmo hates NCLB, Duncan, Testco and Michelle Rhee and recognizes them as the striver cuck/neolib GC shills that they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443754)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: Magical box office

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441880)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: Irradiated scarlet stage trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441869)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: Diverse keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441889)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: Cyan Exhilarant Ape Piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441957)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: black tattoo state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441966)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:06 AM
Author: stirring background story cumskin

Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442331)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: cracking cheese-eating chad

You would think the goal would be to maximize the life outcomes of the students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445452)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: razzmatazz parlor

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations, faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441770)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: Zippy hairraiser mad cow disease

US education system is actually pretty damn impressive. Whites do better here than just about anywhere else, and same is true for Asians and Latinos. We just look bad because of our mix.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441783)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: cream aromatic prole

Given the children that are dumped into their classrooms every year, America's teachers deserve huge respect for getting them to accomplish anything whatsoever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442037)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

U.S. schools and test scores are as good as Finland and Taiwan or whatever if you just remove ghetto blacks (or maybe all blacks). And if you ever see a ghetto black school you understand why. I have multiple relatives who have taught in urban title 1 schools at the early elementary level and its mind blowing. Literally 5 year olds who don’t know their own names, can’t identify colors or count to 10 coming into kindergarten. Like blatant neglect suggestive of Romanian orphanage levels of damage before they ever set foot in the schools.

But given that context it’s completely shitty that W basically took away half of recess and art, music and/or PE and stole 90% of the happy and fun times from our kids because ghetto blacks treat their toddlers like shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441789)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: Out-of-control electric plaza yarmulke

(raycess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441886)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: Diverse keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441895)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: violet lettuce

fuck you blaming w for actually doing something right.

poors should have access to schools that are sufficient to educate children to a proper standard. if that takes away glee club in the burbs, oh well

explain how it took away recess and pe in other places?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442187)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:07 AM
Author: stirring background story cumskin

U are, and have always been, a 120 poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442339)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: violet lettuce

you, on the other hand, are

well, extremely unmemorable or using a different moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442389)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:42 AM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

(Michelle Rhee the cunty turbo-Asian poaster)

First of all Obama (really Duncan) deserves 40% of the blame. Second of all if you study this issue for two minutes you quickly learn that the test are “products” with planned obsolesence and Testco has shareholders so every year or two they scrap the whole test prep curriculum and flush a bunch more taxpayer money on implementing a new curriculum and hiring new consultants to train the teachers on how it works. It sucks just as bad as the last one. There’s no money in the cure. They want schools hooked on the medicine. In fact if test scores pop too high it creates a bunch of extra work because they have to triple check the results and sometimes retest tomconfirm. The entire system is deeply fucktarded and designed to maximize Testco profits and to not improve test scores beyond a range of expected outcomes. My wife taught early childhood grades until six years ago and of the 12 teachers that were on her team at her last school only two are still teaching now. Everyone hates it—students, teachers, parenfs and there’s now a huge backlash growing in rural Texas that will eventually wash it out.

Third, there’s nothing a school is going to do to make a kid not fucked up if his parents don’t give a shit about him. They are literally Grandma = mommy | mommy = Pam | going to jail pwn3d. The notion that a magic kindergarten teacher is going to have little Darnell do the special fingerpainting picture that will overcome all his life’s other shitty circumstances is profoundly stupid. My wife left her title 1 school to work at a non profit that was basically just mentoring dedicated to these kids from early childhood through grade 12. Her program had a 100% graduation rate and 0% pregnancy rate dealing with these same fucked up kids. They were still barely reading by 6th grade and never had a chance to go to college, but having a responsible adult present in their lives made a difference in them not wanting to hurt themselves or others or wreck their futures. They lived 10 minutes from the ocean and had never seen it, because they spent all their time watching TV while their moms spent all their time drinking (and probably shooting, smoking and whoring) on the corner. If you don’t fix that you are leaving the root cause error in place. Again, remove these ghetto black kids from the numbers and US schools are as good as any other country in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443004)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: Titillating famous landscape painting

NCLB and Common Core killed recess and fucked up PE.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leeigel/2015/01/15/the-common-core-is-taking-away-kids-recess-and-that-makes-no-sense/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2014/11/11/common_core_comes_to_gym_class_worksheets_and_word_walls_in_pe.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35444030)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: Floppy Personal Credit Line Forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442247)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: Indigo Apoplectic Corner Travel Guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442326)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Big crusty range philosopher-king

Brown v. Board of Ed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442082)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: flatulent appetizing skinny woman

NCLB was congressionally repealed by bush's own party in 2015, lol. that's how much of a failure it was - not even its own past proponents were willing to stand by it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442447)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:39 AM
Author: Magical box office

Race to the Top is the same thing with a new veneer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442518)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: flatulent appetizing skinny woman

bush looked like such a goofball at the signing ceremony for NCLB:

https://i.imgur.com/lXo0X0D.jpg

you can see john boehner, ted kennedy, bush's education secretary rod paige, a couple other dudes, and some random black kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442537)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:46 AM
Author: indecent racy bawdyhouse

Race to the Top was a specific grant program from Obama's first term (and wasn't too bad as far as those things go). The new law in 2015 was the Every Student Succeeds Act and imo is better than NCLB, mostly because it actually scaled back the federal role in schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442543)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: Magical box office

Love these Orwellian bill names.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442609)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: flatulent appetizing skinny woman

keep talking shit about the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442618)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:33 AM
Author: Magical box office

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442987)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:09 AM
Author: Provocative clear locus

It's associated with Bush for obvious reasons but it was passed near unanimously in both houses of congress. People realized it was a disaster right from the start, too, so it's not like there were unexpected consequences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443685)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 3:29 AM
Author: Magical box office

http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICANG14.pdf

Testing is diaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443141)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:19 PM
Author: Mischievous persian fortuitous meteor

why do you care about education? you're never going to have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35448191)