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Should I feel bad about taking my full 3-month paternity leave?

company has a 3-month policy that matches maternity and pate...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
fuck yeah
navy unholy set
  02/20/18
fuck yeah i should feel bad?
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
no fuck yeah you should take the full amount
navy unholy set
  02/20/18
...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
do u actually have a kid?
swashbuckling shimmering hospital faggot firefighter
  02/20/18
lol yeah
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
doesn't have to actually be his
Shivering Floppy Theater Immigrant
  02/20/18
how long before shrews demand "peternity" leave
Iridescent pea-brained piazza
  02/20/18
Moar like “eternity leave”
fuchsia heady trust fund
  02/20/18
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Bat shit crazy ratface corner
  02/21/18
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Maize Abode Hunting Ground
  02/21/18
do you have to be married or can you match some other chick'...
glittery carmine newt
  02/20/18
i'm not sure tbh.
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
firm-wide email.
glittery carmine newt
  02/20/18
you should only feel bad if you fail to take advantage of th...
contagious box office
  02/20/18
ty bro. i just get anxious about being fired.
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
i'm not sure i can help with that, just with whatever moral ...
contagious box office
  02/20/18
You mean you get anxious about the future FMLA lawsuit payda...
khaki digit ratio
  02/20/18
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Dark reading party halford
  02/20/18
what's the grace period after i come back
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
However long you can credibly claim they retaliated against ...
khaki digit ratio
  02/21/18
good to know friend, ty
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
Fuck. This has happened to me twice now. I would pay to see ...
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/21/18
Relevant to my interests.
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/20/18
State your IQ if you have to ask this question?
razzmatazz institution double fault
  02/20/18
prob 110-120 tbh, not that high.
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
of course not. America 2018 is a complete $mash&grab
Insanely creepy area stain
  02/20/18
cr. use this time off to find an even better job for more...
Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty
  02/20/18
spin, ratfucks
Frum Tripping Tanning Salon Dingle Berry
  02/20/18
...
violent white weed whacker
  02/20/18
You’re fucking insane if u don’t do this. Holy shit.
violet fear-inspiring crackhouse azn
  02/20/18
...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
I took two months and got immediately fucked when I got back
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/20/18
fucked how?
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/20/18
Director decided I was under utilized. My boss is retiring a...
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/20/18
What kind of shit job do you have where you get "writt...
Arousing keepsake machete dragon
  02/20/18
Standard govt. That's not the terminology they use but same ...
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/20/18
honestly if you don't think you'll be there much longer, you...
naked step-uncle's house
  02/20/18
hehe
Erotic karate fortuitous meteor
  02/20/18
lol @ this good little goy wagecuck feeling guilty he's taki...
Onyx Kink-friendly Knife Alpha
  02/20/18
...
Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty
  02/20/18
...
sepia wonderful den depressive
  02/22/18
UPDATE: got a job offer today, pay is $7k higher than curren...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
I wouldn’t. Sounds objectively worse. The 7k sounds ins...
fuchsia heady trust fund
  02/21/18
current base is 110, this is 117. assume 15% bonus for both....
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
I would gladly give up 7k for an additional 2 weeks vacation...
fuchsia heady trust fund
  02/21/18
Toss up on vacation. Direct reports for sure are not worth 7...
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/21/18
Yes
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/21/18
expound pls
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
Better setup. Direct reports opens entirely new field of po...
Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler
  02/21/18
we will have 1-3 more kids. i've had direct reports in the p...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
no, that sounds worse in all respects. can you negotiate wo...
excitant nibblets voyeur
  02/21/18
absolutely not. but i've reached the end of the rope at curr...
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
need more opinions please.
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
20 minutes one way? Take it, but don't give your boss 2 w...
Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty
  02/21/18
terrible idea.
Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter
  02/21/18
?
Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty
  02/22/18
they are insistent on the start date? that's lame. id try to...
Bronze space prole
  02/22/18
starting a new job when u have a 2 month old at home isn't i...
Chocolate charismatic station
  02/22/18
hell no you shouldn't feel bad. i'm taking like 2, maybe 3 w...
citrine nowag volcanic crater
  02/21/18
You owe a corporation nothing. HTH!
electric crimson potus lay
  02/21/18
...
Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty
  02/21/18
What would GC do?
bat-shit-crazy field cuckold
  02/22/18
It will definitely be held against you. If you plan on leav...
Bronze space prole
  02/22/18
do you feel bad about cashing your full paycheck?
razzle-dazzle jet stage
  02/22/18
cr analogy
Exciting electric furnace
  02/22/18
I just saw what guys ahead of me were doing and followed sui...
Titillating macaca
  02/22/18


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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

company has a 3-month policy that matches maternity and paternity. i took 6 weeks to start. i'm 4.5 weeks in, but chatting with my boss tomorrow. thinking about taking the full time.

i don't see much of a future at this job, should i just yolo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447233)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: navy unholy set

fuck yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447235)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

fuck yeah i should feel bad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447242)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: navy unholy set

no fuck yeah you should take the full amount

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447264)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447266)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: swashbuckling shimmering hospital faggot firefighter

do u actually have a kid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447238)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

lol yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447239)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:08 PM
Author: Shivering Floppy Theater Immigrant

doesn't have to actually be his

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447360)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:12 PM
Author: Iridescent pea-brained piazza

how long before shrews demand "peternity" leave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447390)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: fuchsia heady trust fund

Moar like “eternity leave”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447724)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Bat shit crazy ratface corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35455357)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: Maize Abode Hunting Ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35455850)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: glittery carmine newt

do you have to be married or can you match some other chick's maternity if you make a "good faith argument why you feel that you're the father."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447245)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

i'm not sure tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447246)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: glittery carmine newt

firm-wide email.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447255)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: contagious box office

you should only feel bad if you fail to take advantage of the full 3 months plus whatever other extra time you can convince your employer is necessary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447248)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

ty bro. i just get anxious about being fired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447257)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:57 PM
Author: contagious box office

i'm not sure i can help with that, just with whatever moral qualms you might have about lying to your employer even knowing your employer will gladly fuck you over for profit with no qualms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447278)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:57 PM
Author: khaki digit ratio

You mean you get anxious about the future FMLA lawsuit payday you might get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447281)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: Dark reading party halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447293)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

what's the grace period after i come back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447303)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: khaki digit ratio

However long you can credibly claim they retaliated against you for taking your leave. Obviously settlement value goes down with each passing day and there is probably a point at which it is just too attenuated, especially if you fuck up post-leave. But LJL at them if they think your shitlawyer isn't going to get all your bosses and coworkers emails about you and comb through all of them for evidence that people were upset about your leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454770)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

good to know friend, ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454776)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Fuck. This has happened to me twice now. I would pay to see the emails my worthless shrew boss has sent. HR guy randomly told me L&I claims have a 3 year window.

That said, seems bitchmade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454805)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:09 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Relevant to my interests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447365)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: razzmatazz institution double fault

State your IQ if you have to ask this question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447251)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

prob 110-120 tbh, not that high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447259)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:58 PM
Author: Insanely creepy area stain

of course not. America 2018 is a complete $mash&grab

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447282)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:01 PM
Author: Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty

cr.

use this time off to find an even better job for more money and fuck your boss and coworkers in the ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447307)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: Frum Tripping Tanning Salon Dingle Berry

spin, ratfucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447339)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: violent white weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447729)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: violet fear-inspiring crackhouse azn

You’re fucking insane if u don’t do this. Holy shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447290)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447326)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

I took two months and got immediately fucked when I got back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447296)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

fucked how?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447301)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Director decided I was under utilized. My boss is retiring and they gave me all of his job responsibilities (no raise or anything). Announced this to me the week I returned.

Not flame I filed a complaint. They pulled similar shit last time, writing me up my 4th day back. I work with all shrews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447342)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:10 PM
Author: Arousing keepsake machete dragon

What kind of shit job do you have where you get "written up"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447372)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:11 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Standard govt. That's not the terminology they use but same dif.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447381)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: naked step-uncle's house

honestly if you don't think you'll be there much longer, you should take the full amount, and also use all of your benefit time every year including sick time. this might affect your chances for promotion, but a big company like this isn't going to fire you for using all of your 'benefit time.'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447609)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Erotic karate fortuitous meteor

hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447612)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: Onyx Kink-friendly Knife Alpha

lol @ this good little goy wagecuck feeling guilty he's taking the full amount of what he was offered by his (((GC))) (((masters))) who would can his ass at a moment's notice if it suited them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35447738)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 7:49 PM
Author: Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35448021)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:26 AM
Author: sepia wonderful den depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35458681)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:53 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

UPDATE: got a job offer today, pay is $7k higher than current job, benefits are worse (2 week vacation instead of 4, no match for 1 year instead of 4% at current), but position has better exit options, commute is shorter by about 20 minutes, and unlike current (no direct reports), i will have two. however, if i accept, i need to cut short my paternity at 6 weeks, give my two week notice, and start. take it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454689)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: fuchsia heady trust fund

I wouldn’t. Sounds objectively worse.

The 7k sounds insignificant, unless you make like 50k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454712)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

current base is 110, this is 117. assume 15% bonus for both.

yeah it's very hard to give a shit about new job great first impressions, i will have to likely work my ass off for the next 3-6 months and all i'll have to show for it is a couple hundred dollars per paycheck (if that?), worse benefits, less vacation, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454743)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: fuchsia heady trust fund

I would gladly give up 7k for an additional 2 weeks vacation and no directs. Would weigh on the exit options.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454782)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Toss up on vacation. Direct reports for sure are not worth 7k but it's a great resume item. I'd give up a couple weeks to save 20 mins a day though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454823)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454717)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

expound pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454766)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: Mewling vigorous cuck deer antler

Better setup. Direct reports opens entirely new field of positions. 20 Mins per day easily makes up for a couple weeks vacation. More money.

Transitions suck. Having direct reports will suck. What's the new environment? That's probably the biggest factor.

Don't even consider the paternity leave (unless you plan on having lots more kids)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454792)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

we will have 1-3 more kids. i've had direct reports in the past. doesn't that dilute the value this time?

the environment is more stuffy and corporate (but overall collegial) i'd say. current company is 3-6 years old but relatively prestigious.

the commute admittedly is a big draw especially because wife's job is 10 minutes away from this new company and we might consider moving to that area.

however, lately, we've been thinking about risking it all and moving abroad, which makes me question whether i need to rock the boat at all right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454901)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: excitant nibblets voyeur

no, that sounds worse in all respects. can you negotiate work from home?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454738)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

absolutely not. but i've reached the end of the rope at current job, with no hopes for promotion. would you say it's better to ride out my paternity and leave a few months later? job searching is scary, i suck at getting interviews but i'm at A++++ interview once they meet me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454763)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 5:30 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

need more opinions please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35455016)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty

20 minutes one way?

Take it, but don't give your boss 2 weeks notice, just continue vacationing then leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35455809)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:55 PM
Author: Orchid Zippy Trump Supporter

terrible idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35457086)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:42 AM
Author: Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35458756)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:48 AM
Author: Bronze space prole

they are insistent on the start date? that's lame. id try to push back on that a little.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35458779)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: Chocolate charismatic station

starting a new job when u have a 2 month old at home isn't ideal. better to coast on ur reputation at current job for another 6-12 months then find a new role.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35462500)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:56 PM
Author: citrine nowag volcanic crater

hell no you shouldn't feel bad. i'm taking like 2, maybe 3 weeks from biglaw for babby 2 this summer. and my wife is having a c section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454727)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:59 PM
Author: electric crimson potus lay

You owe a corporation nothing. HTH!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35454746)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Sapphire Hideous Water Buffalo Kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35455812)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:24 AM
Author: bat-shit-crazy field cuckold

What would GC do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35458670)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:45 AM
Author: Bronze space prole

It will definitely be held against you. If you plan on leaving soon yes absolutely take it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35458768)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle jet stage

do you feel bad about cashing your full paycheck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35462298)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: Exciting electric furnace

cr analogy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35462355)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: Titillating macaca

I just saw what guys ahead of me were doing and followed suit, which was 1-2 weeks per pregnancy. What is actually customary at your job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898742&forum_id=2#35462325)