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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:10 AM Author: Crawly bearded office codepig I TA a constitutional law class for undergrads and each week the students have to submit a short essay. This week, we discussed the first amendment and hate speech.
One student wrote: "I disagree that hate speech should be allowed. For example, someone saying they favor conservative economics should be allowed although I disagree with it, but something like saying you think undocumented people should be deported should not be allowed because the lives of these people aren't negotiable and this rhetoric endangers undocumented students who attend colleges as well." |
Date: February 21st, 2018 2:10 AM Author: Light queen of the night AREN'T NEGOTIABLE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450630) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:10 AM Author: Bistre Rehab spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450631) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:11 AM Author: Light queen of the night lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450632) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:11 AM Author: Crawly bearded office codepig I have to give feedback. How do I gently point out how deeply flawed this thinking is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450635) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:19 AM Author: umber adventurous haunted graveyard meetinghouse just call ICE on him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450679) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Magenta Headpube International Law Enforcement Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451351) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:01 PM Author: Bateful scourge upon the earth mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457697) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:22 AM Author: violent halford really tough guy Formal logic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450689) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:25 AM Author: razzle hateful address hard to give feedback when it sounds like they're being asked opinion questions.
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:27 AM Author: Crawly bearded office codepig i'll just try to make her consider the slippery slope of such a policy by asking her some questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450700) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:27 AM Author: flickering doctorate LOL SO IT WAS A WOMAN devastating |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:12 AM Author: yellow indecent milk puppy They dont buy slippery slope arguments because anything is allowed when your opponent is “raciss” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451784) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:56 AM Author: Chrome Skinny Woman Piazza Gently ask questions of him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451136) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:30 AM Author: Hairless Charismatic Circlehead Boltzmann scribble "they have to go back" in red pen across the first page (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451224) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:45 AM Author: trip legal warrant loled (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451623) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:20 PM Author: umber adventurous haunted graveyard meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35454384) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:54 AM Author: Pearly Bawdyhouse Electric Furnace It's conclusory and unsupported. This is a law class, right? You should give basically no points for that sort of response and explain that arguing to limit enumerated rights requires something more than an opinion vaguely mentioning that deporting people isn't "negotiable". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451334) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:02 AM Author: lascivious friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451376) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:08 AM Author: Brass underhanded space boistinker lol. the student would just complain to the admins that their TA wants to deport all immigrants and it makes her feel unsafe on campus. he'll be fired within days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451396) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:51 AM Author: crystalline patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451653) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Rough-skinned roast beef theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451728) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:50 PM Author: violent halford really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35454656) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:02 PM Author: Bateful scourge upon the earth mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457702) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:57 AM Author: free-loading bbw private investor how is it flawed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451343) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Mischievous stock car corner do the Jordan Peterson move. "you're argument that the government should have the power to censor and punish viewpoints makes people afraid. if you took your own argument seriously, you would urge that the government could ban your answer." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451504) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:54 AM Author: nubile telephone mental disorder just say her answer is incomplete. its fine that she thinks hate speech shouldn't be protected, but she doesn't define hate speech or say why making anti-immigration statements meets that definition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451673) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:17 AM Author: Arousing green abode people who are hurt yeah, we're dun here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450671) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:18 AM Author: Aggressive Toilet Seat edit wrong thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450674) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:28 AM Author: Crawly bearded office codepig ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450704) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:19 AM Author: Abnormal Theatre Juggernaut on the other hand, i was walking through my campus and a fat kid i'd be certain posted on /r/the_donald asked me to sign his "free speech ball." it was a giant beach ball. i laughed sorry bro and went home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450682) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:22 AM Author: Arousing green abode people who are hurt that made you go home? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450687) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:23 AM Author: Abnormal Theatre Juggernaut i was already heading home man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450691) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:31 AM Author: doobsian gaming laptop Did you take his ball before going home? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451226) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:20 AM Author: Rough-skinned roast beef theater stage That is one woke young woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450685) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 2:25 AM Author: flickering doctorate 180 that you assumed it's a woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35450696) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:33 AM Author: doobsian gaming laptop I'd ask about abortion speech. Tell her based on what she wrote, you assume that she's pro-choice. But many (as much as half the country) disagrees and feels it's murder. They think the advocation of murder should be outlawed. How do you determine what is free speech and what is hate speech when half the country defines it one way, and half defines it the other way? Should we err on the side of free speech or hate speech? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451233) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: floppy cream nibblets women have the right to chose. that's non-negotiable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451245) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Hairless Charismatic Circlehead Boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451251) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Motley violet stag film if you allow the government to ban murder, what's to stop it from banning eating pork!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451256) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:42 AM Author: iridescent indian lodge voyeur LOL@ thinking this is an effective strategy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451261) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:49 AM Author: doobsian gaming laptop Well very little is effective against shitlibs. Even when brought face to face with the consequences of their policies they bury their heads in the sand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451302) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:53 AM Author: transparent jap hissy fit Exactly so he needs to point out her illogic, tell her to read On Liberty, and give her a D on that paper.
There are arguments a SCHOLAR could make against hate speech but hers is dogshit |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:55 AM Author: floppy cream nibblets what arguments could such scholar maek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451338) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:33 AM Author: Sticky National no shit. talk about not knowing your enemy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458358) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:33 AM Author: Motley violet stag film a right of free speech was a dumb idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451234) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: floppy cream nibblets libs just slowly make every issue non-negotiable into they are an ideological singleton in total control of federal government haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451244) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:53 AM Author: jet zippy university Turns out there is "one weird trick" to totalitarian control in a democracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451663) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:48 AM Author: stimulating erotic half-breed turdskin we don't get to have nice things like free speech in diversity is our strength america (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451288) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Vigorous school alright but you guys are openly advocating for a white ethnostate. history tells us where that leads. these people have a right to be concerned and if supressing your speech is necessary to their survival then how can you expect them not to choose that route? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451337) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:58 AM Author: floppy cream nibblets yea man "we should have immigration laws designed to benefit citizens which are enforced"="advocating for a white ethnostate". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451357) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:01 AM Author: Vigorous school illegals are just the low hanging fruit. most of your alt right movement is open and honest about the ultimate end game, even if a few of you are too cowardly to say so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451375) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:03 AM Author: floppy cream nibblets so enforcing immigration laws = alt right. why stop at alt right, why not go all the way to its literally Hitler? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451380) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:24 AM Author: diverse chest-beating market selfie History also tells us where non-white majority rule leads. The preservation of the white majority is essential to its survival (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35451494) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:25 PM Author: blue hyperactive gas station trust fund The American experiment has failed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35454442) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:56 PM Author: Obsidian laughsome library crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458060) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Excitant brindle location background story you can't really respond to that with reason, since the position itself is not based on reason. it's based on a more primitive sort of emotion, with the weakly-reasoned justification coming afterwards. you can attack the reasoning easily enough, but the emotion is what matters, and you can't change that very easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35454612) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:11 PM Author: confused cerise tanning salon legend in all fairness maybe it was a dumb idea to found a nation in which roughly 50% of the country has irreconcilable differences of fundamental values with you, and may try to impose them by force on them if you break the uneasy truce to not use the government to enforce your values on them when you're in power (or maybe they'll just do it anyway when they get the chance even if you are too principled to do it to them) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457784) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:15 PM Author: blue hyperactive gas station trust fund We didn't found it that way. This could never have happened the way our federal system was designed. The way we govern now, however, bears little resemblance to the original plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457821) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:40 PM Author: vibrant brethren much less scary than most of the views of low iq shitcons on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457971) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:43 PM Author: Bistre Rehab spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35457985) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:46 PM Author: vibrant brethren me: prestigious lower ivy postdoc you: pretend to be albanian landlord in parents basement |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:55 PM Author: slap-happy know-it-all dopamine kitchen heh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458051) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:58 PM Author: Bistre Rehab spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458081) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 AM Author: slap-happy know-it-all dopamine kitchen This "clean white glory of truth" poster is a recent interloper from another board who got an account in rach's alts giveaway.
He is actually mentally ill and has a history of extremely doobsian behavior on other boards, obsessed with finding out personal details about others. DO NOT DIVULGE PERSONAL DETAILS OR THROW-AWAY EMAILS TO THIS POSTER.
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879317&mc=48&forum_id=2
he has extremely weird fantasies about being, among other things, an albanian landlord, a war hero, a rich dermatologist, tall, specifically being 6'3 230lbs, and some other boring shit
when unrestrained or unmedicated, he spams about them constantly for 18 hrs a day every day -- and started posting about the exact same things here, down to the weirdest details (the same youtube clips, the same fantasy about being a landlord with "1000 units", some others)
he was also banned from the chat there for extremely doobsian behavior, and then he spammed the chat constantly for several days straight out of revenge until it became unusable
all while spamming the board itself for a couple of years
he repeatedly apologized for his spamming, said he couldn't help himself because of his mental illness, begged for help with his mental illness, and then kept spamming, until IP tracked and IP banned repeatedly (VPNs make that more difficult)
this guy is doobs and JJC together, except MUCH more mentally ill
he did this there 18 hrs a day every day for a couple of years
be warned |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:10 AM Author: Bistre Rehab spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458188) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:14 AM Author: confused cerise tanning salon legend other than the doxing this guy sounds like a bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458218) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:17 AM Author: slap-happy know-it-all dopamine kitchen he’s actually mentally ill and “other than the doxxing” doesn’t really work when this is a core part of his behavior |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Thriller gay wizard jew This is why sensible people have to be post-politics/post-American. if you're on the right you have to give up on the constitution. you have to give up on liberalism. the left must be destroyed or the country split (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899216&forum_id=2#35458290) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:46 AM Author: razzmatazz pearl area elastic band In the college courses I have taught (related to government, law, and local institutions) I've always tried to "depunditify" or cleanse the class of ideology. I tell them right off the bat that this isn't debate class, that their political views won't help them with the coursework, and that the classroom is like a little laboratory and they are the detached scientists. Keep it simple and avoid essay topics that generate political opinions. Honestly, they are terrible writers and researchers so making the essay assignments like book reports is better. They don't need a platform to speak. They need to practice reading, writing, and citing.
If you have class discussions that might turn political, have each person who speaks argue the other side at least once. Keep things light (for instance, sometimes I use photos of myself and siblings from the 90's in my powerpoints and go off on some tangent about the 80's-90's that gets them all laughing).
Some young kids have dumb and radical opinions. I'd say that almost all of the radical SJW and alt-right talk comes straight from online/reddit talking points, and not from other classes or professors. I had one guy (hispanic-white 1st gen from chile, wore a bun, trumpmo but self-described "anarchist" lol) who was spouting stuff that almost had me convinced he posted here. He referenced Evola and once started going off on some tangent about race and iq (dead serious). He wasn't a poster, he was merely repeating the packaged ideology he found online. These kids just spend too much time online where they can bypass the institutional gatekeepers of knowledge and embrace some crap that makes them feel like revolutionaries. They are not bad kids.
On the whole I don't think they are any worse than previous generations. If anything, they seem nicer, better behaved and more understanding of each other than when I went to school. Maybe more child-like. Grading stuff sucked (it's the same fucking thing over and over again, lol). But lecturing and leading class discussions was a lot of fun. |