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US did pretty terrible in WW2 europe- correct?
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:36 AM Author: overrated den dysfunction project torch disaster
got absolutely gaped in Italy - really embarrassing stuff
didn't invade france until halfway through 44
got dadded around by 4th string german troops when they finally arrive
lost most of Europe to the soviets
just really really bad. LOL @ "greatest" generation.
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:43 AM Author: awkward hyperventilating knife locus U forgot Japan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35450990) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:46 AM Author: hairraiser demanding lay Which is of course located right next to Poland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35450995) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:52 AM Author: marvelous dilemma Risten (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451003) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:00 AM Author: irradiated kink-friendly trump supporter indirect expression Doesn't seem like we did anything brilliant or ever have militarily at the theatre level. Normandy was an unnecessary loss of life. We fucked up mainland Italy invasion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451015) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:18 AM Author: Startled Stirring Travel Guidebook Kitty Cat Midway seems like it was mostly luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451199) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:20 AM Author: Massive gas station *leans into mic* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451203) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:28 AM Author: irradiated kink-friendly trump supporter indirect expression Questioned whether to except midway/ Pacific theater but was too lazy. I stand by my main point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451529) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Lavender Beta Idea He Suggested What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451830) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:18 AM Author: provocative place of business Eisenhower's "broad front" strategy was also SPS and prolonged the war. Montgomery could have wrapped it up in 1944.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/a-lingering-controversy-eisenhowers-broad-front-strategy.htm |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:48 AM Author: amber charismatic corner immigrant I think you mean Montgomery was BUTTHURT about his loss of command and British prestige and whined afterwards about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451289) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:14 AM Author: lilac rough-skinned stag film this is the first paragraph of your link:
Not only was it politically impossible to have permitted the British to win the war by means of the narrow front, there is ample evidence to question if such a drive, if mounted, could have been logistically sustained beyond the Ruhr. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:45 AM Author: provocative place of business Ok. There was "ample evidence to question" pretty much every big decision in the war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451625) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:47 AM Author: lilac rough-skinned stag film some of those decisions had the benefit of having a clearly victorious ending.
your speculative proposal has no such benefit. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:21 AM Author: marvelous dilemma *drops lactose bombs ITT* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451060) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:23 AM Author: sable boiling water isn't this the position of the neonazis that hate the asians? Can we get a ruling on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451070) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:21 AM Author: shivering hunting ground We did better than Britain and obviously France and Italy - our guys fought really well in the Battle of the Bulge in particular.
Nobody fought as well as Germany, but that's not surprising given their culture. Warrior cultures produce better warriors- duh. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:46 AM Author: razzle-dazzle locale the Soviets fought pretty well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451634) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Heady Burgundy Market International Law Enforcement Agency The soviets died well, the Germans did all the killing and couldn't sustain their supply lines through a harsh Russian winter. The timing of Barbarosa was fucked by the incompetent Italians faltering in Greece. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451646) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:27 AM Author: Massive gas station Despite our pride, America has always been more of a maritime/amphibious nation than a land war nation. We briefly went the other way in the civil war out of necessity, but our preferred COA is to fight our wars on someone else’s doorstep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451078) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:30 AM Author: Comical Hospital Personal Credit Line US was cautious, but had great results. Only engaging when victory was more or less assured. The only major fuck up was letting the Brits talk us into Market Garden.
US faught smart not brave. Avoiding the war of attrition being faught in the east was credited as fuck. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:32 AM Author: Bright Drunken Private Investor Cr. Winning land battles wasn't our goal. Our goal is to bomb the Germans to bits before the engagement even started (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451086) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:33 AM Author: marvelous dilemma i love when russians brag about how many of them died. it's never "we achieved this, and brought that to humanity, etc"
it's always just "yeah but we were slaughtered by the millions, sometimes by our own leaders, and you guys werent" |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:34 AM Author: Massive gas station Cr
Lol |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:43 AM Author: pale stage Russians love being dadded around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451104) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:17 AM Author: titillating salmon box office wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451197) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:02 AM Author: cheese-eating hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451377) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:18 AM Author: odious orange garrison pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451452) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:19 AM Author: thriller degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451456) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:27 AM Author: contagious hilarious sweet tailpipe toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451515) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:38 AM Author: 180 french chef Yeah, Russia did nothing. Only broke the back of the German Army, took Berlin and ended the war. Other than that, what did they do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451581) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:54 AM Author: marvelous dilemma Lmao
defensiveness is another yuge Russian trait
I was implying that Russians are stupid as dogshit for thinking that any and all sacrifices they made were automatically necessary or positive. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: 180 french chef I don't think anyone ever says Russia's efforts during WW2 were great because lots of people died. But you go knock down that strawman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451848) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:41 AM Author: marvelous dilemma that’s ALL Russians ever say, so it’s not a straw man. it’s not like with the US where we can say “hey we made a huge sacrifice but created two incredibly strong capitalistic democracies”
Russians say “we made a huge sacrifice and that in itself is a good thing” even if it accomplished absolutely nothing positive ever for anybody |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:55 AM Author: 180 french chef "that’s ALL Russians ever say, so it’s not a straw man. it’s not like with the US where we can say “hey we made a huge sacrifice but created two incredibly strong capitalistic democracies”"
Germany and ??? In any event, modern Germany is a shitshow.
"Russians say “we made a huge sacrifice and that in itself is a good thing” even if it accomplished absolutely nothing positive ever for anybody"
No they don't. They say we made a huge sacrifice and defeated the Nazis. I've NEVER heard of anyone say "well lots of us died" in a vacuum. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Massive gas station lol
The Russians literally wasted millions of lives due to incompetence, corruption, and communist fanatacism and still only got to keep the shitty half of europe. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:20 AM Author: 180 french chef "The Russians literally wasted millions of lives due to incompetence, corruption, and communist fanatacism"
I don't think anyone would deny this.
"and still only got to keep the shitty half of europe"
Keeping half of Europe isn't bad at all.
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Massive gas station lol fair, but they couldnt even hang onto it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451840) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: 180 french chef That incompetence and corruption fucking the motherland again... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451852) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Massive gas station They really are their own worst enemy.
If only they could run a country as well as thet trolled our election. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:35 AM Author: 180 french chef "They really are their own worst enemy."
For sure. After everything, the USSR falls apart because some party bosses wanted MOAR for themselves and decided they would be better off as Presidents of various shitstates than governors under a USSR that keeps corruption in basic check.
"If only they could run a country as well as thet trolled our election."
Honestly, they didn't even do that amazing of a job. Democrats and neo-con Rs are the ones that blew this out of proportion and caused massive internal damage within the US (ironically, that incompetence and corruption fucking this country now). |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:31 AM Author: fishy apoplectic macaca heaven is this ARE Reptile? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451914) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:35 AM Author: 180 french chef Nope. Are Reptile would never admit this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451947) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:31 AM Author: fishy apoplectic macaca heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451915) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:14 AM Author: silver haunting antidepressant drug Market Garden was also a disaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451191) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:03 AM Author: shivering hunting ground Not really- only the Arnhem part of the operations, and that was Brits and Poles. The Americans airborne troops took their objectives in Eindhoven and Nijmegen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451379) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:25 AM Author: Painfully Honest Crimson Shrine Legal Warrant We also did stuff like this:
Which wasn’t impressive tactically but definitely helped break the nazis’ spirit and caused the world to get together and agree that people shouldn’t do stuff like this after the war. Not sure if that counts as good or bad. It was technically permissible under the operative concepts of war, so one could argue we were smart to press our advantage and if the shoe was on the other foot the nazis wouldn’t have hesitated to do the same or worse to us/to London. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:00 AM Author: concupiscible state feces Wrong. The RAF did that flying Lancaster and Halifax bombers at night with 6 people in them but 3 times the bomb load of our B17 and B24 which had ten people and did “precision” daylight bombing.
In Japan, LeMay got it right and ran B29s at night with incendiary bombs and destroyed pretty much everything. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:37 AM Author: overrated den dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451574) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Painfully Honest Crimson Shrine Legal Warrant It was a roughly 60/40 UK/US split of planes that was coordinated and co-planned. The main reason we didn't have more of a 50/50 role was weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:32 PM Author: concupiscible state feces We dropped high explosive bombs a lot of them no even on the right city which did jack shit. XO Bomber Harris torched the city with incendiaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452349) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:57 AM Author: Comical Hospital Personal Credit Line Slaughtering white women and children was not credited my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452093) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:16 AM Author: sienna boyish preventive strike fortuitous meteor war is won by production, US killed it there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451447) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:47 AM Author: provocative place of business titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451636) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Floppy deep business firm [Guy who has played Axis & Allies.] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451823) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:34 AM Author: cruel-hearted soggy trailer park tank Old trope. War was won with American steel, British brains, and Soviet blood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451935) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:59 AM Author: Comical Hospital Personal Credit Line British got their shit pushed in and made bone headed decisions the whole time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452105) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:02 PM Author: cruel-hearted soggy trailer park tank I think it's a reference to British technology + military intelligence. Crucial advancements (radar, proximity fuses for AA guns, etc) were British.
Their battlefield decisions, both with Montgomery and in SE Asia, were questionable. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: sienna boyish preventive strike fortuitous meteor they got theri shit pushed in everywhere and only survived becasue they had a good air force and zee germans didnt want to bomb the shit out of places they want to live
at least the latter is what i laerned from dunkirk |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:34 PM Author: cruel-hearted soggy trailer park tank I think they survived because it was literally impossible for the Germans to conduct an invasion without first destroying the Royal Navy, something they were never capable of doing (or even attempted). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452365) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 1:13 PM Author: brindle affirmative action mother https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/02/not-their-finest-hour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452695) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Sepia up-to-no-good ticket booth queen of the night Yes, but less bad than everyone else, so they won. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451718) |