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US did pretty terrible in WW2 europe- correct?
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:36 AM Author: wild heaven project torch disaster
got absolutely gaped in Italy - really embarrassing stuff
didn't invade france until halfway through 44
got dadded around by 4th string german troops when they finally arrive
lost most of Europe to the soviets
just really really bad. LOL @ "greatest" generation.
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:43 AM Author: Provocative crimson new version haunted graveyard U forgot Japan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35450990) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:46 AM Author: black locale dragon Which is of course located right next to Poland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35450995) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 7:52 AM Author: light confused mad cow disease Risten (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451003) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:00 AM Author: concupiscible useless brakes Doesn't seem like we did anything brilliant or ever have militarily at the theatre level. Normandy was an unnecessary loss of life. We fucked up mainland Italy invasion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451015) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:18 AM Author: Contagious violent chad karate Midway seems like it was mostly luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451199) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:20 AM Author: Crawly Space *leans into mic* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451203) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:28 AM Author: concupiscible useless brakes Questioned whether to except midway/ Pacific theater but was too lazy. I stand by my main point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451529) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Chartreuse cuck sweet tailpipe What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451830) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:18 AM Author: chocolate comical sneaky criminal Eisenhower's "broad front" strategy was also SPS and prolonged the war. Montgomery could have wrapped it up in 1944.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/a-lingering-controversy-eisenhowers-broad-front-strategy.htm |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:48 AM Author: Orange gas station I think you mean Montgomery was BUTTHURT about his loss of command and British prestige and whined afterwards about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451289) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:14 AM Author: Hairless histrionic station windowlicker this is the first paragraph of your link:
Not only was it politically impossible to have permitted the British to win the war by means of the narrow front, there is ample evidence to question if such a drive, if mounted, could have been logistically sustained beyond the Ruhr. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:45 AM Author: chocolate comical sneaky criminal Ok. There was "ample evidence to question" pretty much every big decision in the war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451625) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Hairless histrionic station windowlicker some of those decisions had the benefit of having a clearly victorious ending.
your speculative proposal has no such benefit. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:21 AM Author: light confused mad cow disease *drops lactose bombs ITT* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451060) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:23 AM Author: anal stirring corner isn't this the position of the neonazis that hate the asians? Can we get a ruling on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451070) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:21 AM Author: mildly autistic unhinged coldplay fan trust fund We did better than Britain and obviously France and Italy - our guys fought really well in the Battle of the Bulge in particular.
Nobody fought as well as Germany, but that's not surprising given their culture. Warrior cultures produce better warriors- duh. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:46 AM Author: bronze vigorous spot the Soviets fought pretty well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451634) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Poppy Stag Film The soviets died well, the Germans did all the killing and couldn't sustain their supply lines through a harsh Russian winter. The timing of Barbarosa was fucked by the incompetent Italians faltering in Greece. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451646) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:27 AM Author: Crawly Space Despite our pride, America has always been more of a maritime/amphibious nation than a land war nation. We briefly went the other way in the civil war out of necessity, but our preferred COA is to fight our wars on someone else’s doorstep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451078) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:30 AM Author: appetizing pervert theater US was cautious, but had great results. Only engaging when victory was more or less assured. The only major fuck up was letting the Brits talk us into Market Garden.
US faught smart not brave. Avoiding the war of attrition being faught in the east was credited as fuck. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:32 AM Author: Mauve impressive party of the first part half-breed Cr. Winning land battles wasn't our goal. Our goal is to bomb the Germans to bits before the engagement even started (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451086) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:33 AM Author: light confused mad cow disease i love when russians brag about how many of them died. it's never "we achieved this, and brought that to humanity, etc"
it's always just "yeah but we were slaughtered by the millions, sometimes by our own leaders, and you guys werent" |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:34 AM Author: Crawly Space Cr
Lol |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:43 AM Author: fluffy know-it-all selfie office Russians love being dadded around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451104) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:17 AM Author: autistic goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451197) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:02 AM Author: Exhilarant pink indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451377) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:18 AM Author: floppy snowy volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451452) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:19 AM Author: Mustard cruel-hearted senate double fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451456) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:27 AM Author: Exciting Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451515) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:38 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea Yeah, Russia did nothing. Only broke the back of the German Army, took Berlin and ended the war. Other than that, what did they do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451581) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:54 AM Author: light confused mad cow disease Lmao
defensiveness is another yuge Russian trait
I was implying that Russians are stupid as dogshit for thinking that any and all sacrifices they made were automatically necessary or positive. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea I don't think anyone ever says Russia's efforts during WW2 were great because lots of people died. But you go knock down that strawman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451848) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:41 AM Author: light confused mad cow disease that’s ALL Russians ever say, so it’s not a straw man. it’s not like with the US where we can say “hey we made a huge sacrifice but created two incredibly strong capitalistic democracies”
Russians say “we made a huge sacrifice and that in itself is a good thing” even if it accomplished absolutely nothing positive ever for anybody |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:55 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea "that’s ALL Russians ever say, so it’s not a straw man. it’s not like with the US where we can say “hey we made a huge sacrifice but created two incredibly strong capitalistic democracies”"
Germany and ??? In any event, modern Germany is a shitshow.
"Russians say “we made a huge sacrifice and that in itself is a good thing” even if it accomplished absolutely nothing positive ever for anybody"
No they don't. They say we made a huge sacrifice and defeated the Nazis. I've NEVER heard of anyone say "well lots of us died" in a vacuum. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Crawly Space lol
The Russians literally wasted millions of lives due to incompetence, corruption, and communist fanatacism and still only got to keep the shitty half of europe. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:20 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea "The Russians literally wasted millions of lives due to incompetence, corruption, and communist fanatacism"
I don't think anyone would deny this.
"and still only got to keep the shitty half of europe"
Keeping half of Europe isn't bad at all.
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Crawly Space lol fair, but they couldnt even hang onto it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451840) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea That incompetence and corruption fucking the motherland again... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451852) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Crawly Space They really are their own worst enemy.
If only they could run a country as well as thet trolled our election. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:35 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea "They really are their own worst enemy."
For sure. After everything, the USSR falls apart because some party bosses wanted MOAR for themselves and decided they would be better off as Presidents of various shitstates than governors under a USSR that keeps corruption in basic check.
"If only they could run a country as well as thet trolled our election."
Honestly, they didn't even do that amazing of a job. Democrats and neo-con Rs are the ones that blew this out of proportion and caused massive internal damage within the US (ironically, that incompetence and corruption fucking this country now). |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:31 AM Author: flatulent racy cuckoldry is this ARE Reptile? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451914) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:35 AM Author: tantric multi-colored marketing idea Nope. Are Reptile would never admit this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451947) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:31 AM Author: flatulent racy cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451915) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Narrow-minded Green National Pocket Flask Market Garden was also a disaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451191) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:03 AM Author: mildly autistic unhinged coldplay fan trust fund Not really- only the Arnhem part of the operations, and that was Brits and Poles. The Americans airborne troops took their objectives in Eindhoven and Nijmegen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451379) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 9:25 AM Author: Jade love of her life We also did stuff like this:
Which wasn’t impressive tactically but definitely helped break the nazis’ spirit and caused the world to get together and agree that people shouldn’t do stuff like this after the war. Not sure if that counts as good or bad. It was technically permissible under the operative concepts of war, so one could argue we were smart to press our advantage and if the shoe was on the other foot the nazis wouldn’t have hesitated to do the same or worse to us/to London. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:00 AM Author: rose dashing nowag chapel Wrong. The RAF did that flying Lancaster and Halifax bombers at night with 6 people in them but 3 times the bomb load of our B17 and B24 which had ten people and did “precision” daylight bombing.
In Japan, LeMay got it right and ran B29s at night with incendiary bombs and destroyed pretty much everything. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:37 AM Author: wild heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451574) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Jade love of her life It was a roughly 60/40 UK/US split of planes that was coordinated and co-planned. The main reason we didn't have more of a 50/50 role was weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:32 PM Author: rose dashing nowag chapel We dropped high explosive bombs a lot of them no even on the right city which did jack shit. XO Bomber Harris torched the city with incendiaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452349) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:57 AM Author: appetizing pervert theater Slaughtering white women and children was not credited my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452093) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Spectacular hilarious boltzmann war is won by production, US killed it there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451447) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:47 AM Author: chocolate comical sneaky criminal titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451636) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Garnet personal credit line [Guy who has played Axis & Allies.] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451823) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:34 AM Author: obsidian hateful menage Old trope. War was won with American steel, British brains, and Soviet blood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451935) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:59 AM Author: appetizing pervert theater British got their shit pushed in and made bone headed decisions the whole time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452105) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:02 PM Author: obsidian hateful menage I think it's a reference to British technology + military intelligence. Crucial advancements (radar, proximity fuses for AA guns, etc) were British.
Their battlefield decisions, both with Montgomery and in SE Asia, were questionable. |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Spectacular hilarious boltzmann they got theri shit pushed in everywhere and only survived becasue they had a good air force and zee germans didnt want to bomb the shit out of places they want to live
at least the latter is what i laerned from dunkirk |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 12:34 PM Author: obsidian hateful menage I think they survived because it was literally impossible for the Germans to conduct an invasion without first destroying the Royal Navy, something they were never capable of doing (or even attempted). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452365) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 1:13 PM Author: Sapphire irradiated stage https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/02/not-their-finest-hour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35452695) |
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Date: February 21st, 2018 11:03 AM Author: 180 flickering kitchen milk Yes, but less bad than everyone else, so they won. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899266&forum_id=2#35451718) |